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Re: “Proposition 105: GMOs

Definitely a troll. If GMOs were no big deal, and you believe in them, then let's proudly put this proclamation on the label and let the people decide. Expenses have always been passed to consumers - even wasteful $ to defeat a tiny label. So let's finally show the rest of the US we like choices. Yes on Prop 105.

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Posted by howdy on 10/28/2014 at 5:33 PM

Re: “Is it funny, or funny?

I dont know if its sad or disturbing that David Letterman admitted to censoring this act, but he played it after Bill Hicks died.…

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Posted by dp72 on 10/28/2014 at 3:50 PM

Re: “Professional Priorities

This blog post has opened up a Pandora's Box for some good discussions, but.................will anyone really step up to discuss and solve these issues publicly without the same old geriatric participants and thinking?

Yes, the politics stinks with a one party town. The populus is aging faster than anyone will admit and is pretty well set in its ways. When a city official says that the city will get on "The Cloud" someday, you know that the community is in trouble. If a small Texas town with a population of 5000 can get on "The Cloud", what is Colorado Springs waiting for?

"A great place for families?" What town, city or berg are you referring? What are the sources for John Olson's 'family' statements? We have the hightest child proverty rate in the state. How many of these "families" can raise children on the wages provided by the Wal-mart economy without SNAP or WIC or Medicad? How many children are on 'subsidiized' or 'free lunch' programs in the multiple school districts in Colorado Springs?

Until the problems of a One Party town, child poverty, building an "exportable economy" that brings money and jobs, relying less on the military/industrial complex (this will take care of its self with the coming downsizing), treating tourism as a "plus business" and not a major funding stream, reducing the foot print of non-profits, and not electing people to state, county, city, and federal offices that embarass Colorado Springs at every turn, then Colorado Springs might have a chance.

Colorado Springs is still a suburb of Mayberry and has village thinking which will keep it where it's at today. What young professional would want to move here under these circumstances when they have Denver, Boulder, Silicon Valley, and miriads of other 'hip' and 'cool' places? Colorado Springs has an image problem and it's well past time to change it or this town will be asking these same questions and have the same problems 20-30-50 years from now.

"Remember, if you can't run with the big dogs, don't get off the porch!"

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Posted by Gary Casimir on 10/28/2014 at 3:27 PM

Re: “Is it funny, or funny?

Dawn French and Emma Chambers were the best female duo since Lucy and Ethel.

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Posted by Vikki Haas Walton on 10/28/2014 at 2:59 PM

Re: “Is it funny, or funny?

I dont think there was any fewer politically satirical comedians in the US in those days. They just stood very little chance of getting on network television. The BBC has always been better than US networks regarding their open mindedness to new ideas and things that would otherwise cause a great deal of angst with our puritanical element.

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Posted by dp72 on 10/28/2014 at 2:53 PM

Re: “Professional Priorities

just can't wait til the exorcist is elected and we make national news ever other day...THAT should attract some real doozies!!

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Posted by carolyncathey on 10/28/2014 at 12:26 PM

Re: “CBDs: There's more to weed than THC

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Posted by Dave Davids on 10/28/2014 at 11:34 AM

Re: “The Earthships are coming

So he goes out of his way to emphasize "that we are not a commune", as if he's proud to let everyone know it fits within the capitalistic mindset which has arguably kept housing from the hands of millions of people for thousands of years. Basically a rich guy has borrowed from a once-thougt-to-be egalitarian theme, and ran with it for his own purposes. Yawn. It sounds just like any other over-priced venture into exclusivity. Michael Reynolds seems to eat out of two sides of his mouth these for poor African villages, and one for rich capitalistic American venturists. Good luck, and great news for people with that kinda money...but I'll wait until something more affordable comes along.

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Posted by Peter Lagios on 10/28/2014 at 8:40 AM

Re: “Colorado Springs is losing its edge

Dolly Parton Supports Her Gay Fans and Calls Out Judgmental Christians: "I Try to Love Everybody"

As such, Dollywood is a big draw for the LGBTQ community—as well as for church groups. According to Parton, all are welcome. "It's a place for entertainment, a place for all families, period. It's for all that. But as far as the Christians, if people want to pass judgment, they're already sinning. The sin of judging is just as bad as any other sin they might say somebody else is committing," the singer says. "I try to love everybody."…

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Posted by guruD on 10/28/2014 at 8:10 AM

Re: “Colorado Springs is losing its edge

I think it runs deeper than we think and nothing will change in this town if we don't confront this issue of religion in politics and vote out people like Klingenschmitt. We need to allow new blood to come in that make things happen, like actually bringing in new industry and jobs to town that our mayor promised, then maybe some of the twenty-somethings wouldn't leave town after getting a college education.

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Posted by guruD on 10/28/2014 at 7:27 AM

Re: “War costs just keep growing

It’s sad to know that our government spends money on war. Instead of making peace and spending money on important and noble things they spend money to proceed and to support war. Also US help other countries to keep wars going, that’s for sure. I wonder how much money they spend for that. And I think that this amount would be enough to fix student loan problem or other important debt. We have very tough economic situation now in the US and there are a lot of problems much more important than a war. Serena from

Posted by Serena Amber on 10/28/2014 at 1:38 AM

Re: “An interesting twist in the GMO debate

I am not a scientist no, but I am an advocate of science. Currently the evidence out there shows that the current transgenic crops out on the market are entirely safe.

Tobacco companies were able to pay off Doctors. Furthermore there was no Peer-Reviewed consensus done in the 1930s that cited the safety of cigarettes. Whereas there are numerous with GMOs

This isn't to say that there isn't a possibility for harm. All science comes with risk. Crossbreeding and Selective breeding come with risk too. Such as the many possible poisonous variants of Tomatoes and Potatoes bred through time.

Even say if Monsanto paid off only a portion of scientists out there. It still doesn't discount the fact that there's 1700+ studies and a general consensus about transgenics and it's safety from all the major leading science groups worldwide.

Your gambit works the other way too. There are a handful of studies that the anti-GMO crowd hugs to and frequently cite blindly. Most notably being the Seralini study. They use the study to doubt on the safety while choosing to ignore the overwhelming evidence to the counter.


The problem here is that it's not an ingredient. And I wish individuals would stop treating it like one. Because it's not. It's a process. And ultimately this prop demonizes one process over the many used frequently in science today. All new breeds of plants no matter the process all come from a lab these days.

Furthermore, this isn't about "Fake Corn vs Real Corn" here either. It's all real. And they're functionally the same in genetic structure. Which is different than your Crabmeat argument because the "Imitation Crabmeat" is Alaskan Pollock. (Which undergoes one hell of a process I might add)

You're also not going to hurt GMO sales. And you're really not going to get GMOs off the shelf with this Prop either. Most farmers aren't worried about lagging sales. The majority of sales farmers make off of... grains and food altogether is actually feed to animals. Even greater, it's much, much cheaper and much, much less work to farm RR crops.

What this prop does do is add another level of regulation to government. You're going to need some sort of regulation oversight to make sure GMO grains aren't contaminating conventionally grown or organic grown crops. That also costs money.

You're forcing the American consumer to foot the bill of all the new farming equipment needed to keep both conventional and GMO grains separate. This isn't as simple as "Slap a label on the food and call it good"

The prop requires separation at all levels of the production cycle. Not to mention any food leaving or entering the state will have to be labelled too. Which might even be unconstitutional as it hurts trade lanes between states....…

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Posted by Steven Alexander Shaver on 10/28/2014 at 1:14 AM

Re: “An interesting twist in the GMO debate

Ultimately, it does not matter if GMOs are as harmless as pure water and twice as beneficial. Current labeling standards require packaged food products to list water if it is one of the ingredients.

Furthermore, current standards require food labels to specify natural and artificial flavor. The very same arguments made against GMO labeling could be directed at artificial ingredient labeling--that artificial flavors are not harmful, they cannot be distinguished from the real thing, and labeling them will single them out as products to avoid.

In fact, I have seen seafood salad in the supermarket made with "imitation crabmeat." Using the very same arguments, the supermarket could avoid the ugly word "imitation." After all, if the customers knew it was not real crab it would hurt sales!

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 10/27/2014 at 9:56 PM

Re: “An interesting twist in the GMO debate

For someone who enjoys citing scientific studies, you really are not a scientist, are you Mr. Shaver. A scientist would know that no matter what the oil companies and the climate scientists have or have not done, it does not prove a single, solitary thing about the biotech industry one way or the other. Tobacco companies were highly successful at paying off scientists to produce phoney studies whitewashing the effects of their products. Does that prove anything at all against Monsanto and Dow?

Your condescending "tongue-in-cheek" sets up a straw man that you easily knock down. If Monsanto were able to pay off "all the scientists" the opposition would not have material to cite on their side. To succeed, Monsanto does not need to pay off "all the scientists studying in their field"--only enough of them to create doubt and confusion.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 10/27/2014 at 9:39 PM

Re: “Colorado Springs is losing its edge

The conservative list has no cities/towns in Utah? Most surprisingly is that some of the conservative cities have famous liberal and outstanding liberals living there. I guess it takes a coven of conservatives to outshine the libs. Hating homosexuals is about as ridiculous as hating women - both seemingly popular groups to hate for reasons that just don't stand up to scrutiny. I am 76 and one of the joys of life is meeting all kinds of people and adding them to ones list of experiences - learning and sharing and laughing and discussing. No time for hatred of people who just are who they are at birth. I have the most trouble with religious right who just cannot give an inch on things they don't understand or know fully but are sure are wrong. My other troublesome group are men who think they know what women need and want and how their bodies work and all thing about us. Dunderheads - they are missing the most fun.

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Posted by Maureen H Loyacono on 10/27/2014 at 3:17 PM

Re: “Colorado Springs is losing its edge

Hillsong Church Pastors Won't Speak Out On Gays Because Jesus Didn't Either (UPDATED)

"Jesus was in the thick of an era where homosexuality, just like it is today, was widely prevalent," Lentz told CNN in a June interview (above). "And I'm still waiting for someone to show me the quote where Jesus addressed it on the record in front of people. You won't find it because he never did." Lentz's wife, Laura, added: "It's not our place to tell anyone how they should live. That's their journey."

In March 2014 Pastor Danny Cortez of New Heart Community Church, a small Southern Baptist congregation in Southern California, delivered a sermon explaining that he no longer believed homosexuality to be a sin. His church struggled with the decision of whether to dismiss him and ultimately decided not to but instead become a "Third Way church" -- based on Vineyard Church pastor Ken Wilson’s book, “A Letter to my Congregation” which puts forth the notion that churches could agree to disagree on the subject and refrain from judgment.…

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Posted by guruD on 10/27/2014 at 2:57 PM

Re: “Proposition 105: GMOs

Joel Salatin - small farmer, author and advocate for a return to sustainable and healthy farming methods - is opposed to GMOs. I will take his word, based on his decades of scholarly research into all aspects of farming and most importantly his decades of experience as a farmer - which ultimately is the only "scientific evidence" that matters - rather than believe the "real science" of those scientists who are employed by the industrial growers and chemical laboratories who make GMO seeds and bring their products to market.

If there is nothing wrong with GMO products, why are the chemical companies and Big Ag and industrial food manufacturers spending millions of dollars to prevent labels from carrying the info that their products contain GMOs? VOTE YES on 105.

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Posted by curious on 10/27/2014 at 2:50 PM

Re: “An interesting twist in the GMO debate

That piece is from Kevin Folta. The department head for Agricultural Sciences of the University of Florida.

Saying that someone is "Paid off" is a terrible gambit. When the facts align up the way they do. It doesn't matter where the money comes from.

That being said. Chevron, Exxon-Mobil, and BP have more money than the entire BioTech industry and dwarf Monsanto and Dow by an order of magnitude. Their public stance on Climate Change is decidedly against what the majority of the science community says. But for some reason can't "pay off" the majority of the climate scientists.

And yet,

Here's Monsanto, a company the size of Whole Foods. Able to pay off all the scientists studying in their field. :tongueincheek:

It just doesn't add up.

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Posted by Steven Alexander Shaver on 10/27/2014 at 2:42 PM

Re: “Is it funny, or funny?

You are quite right, Cleese is the funniest man who ever lived.…

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Posted by bobdobbs on 10/27/2014 at 2:14 PM

Re: “Colorado Springs is losing its edge

Back in the 80's I was studying to become a minister and in one of their advanced courses they also taught this aspect that homosexuality is devil spirit influenced and idolatry since it is worshiping man over the creator. I had to sit thru a video showing the San Francisco Pride Parade and my fellow classmates chanted "KILL THE HOMOS" over and over like LGBTIQ aren't humans but monsters. This kind of mentality is still alive and well today with the conservative Christians in our town and won't change until we keep confronting them on this issue.

I no longer consider myself a Christian but "a follower of Christ" because Jesus preached that the First and Greatest commandment in Matthew 22:37 is to love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. And the second is to love your neighbor as yourself which is ABOVE ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS! And one of the 10 commandments is to "not bear false witness against our neighbor." All this makes me wonder why people are not following these word of wisdom from the source of our beliefs, Jesus Christ, but instead choose to follow the religion of man.

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Posted by guruD on 10/27/2014 at 1:00 PM

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