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Re: “AFA football coach uses tweets to evangelize

If you dislike my comments and can offer a rational counter argument consistent with AF policy, I'm all ears (or eyes)... (cue the crickets)

Posted by BirdManBlue on 12/04/2016 at 6:37 PM

Re: “AFA football coach uses tweets to evangelize

Lebotzke has now added a little "Tweets are my own views" comment in an effort to claim that he's exempt from the rules. I don't buy it. He still shows the football stadium with an American flag and anyone who can read sees that he is a football coach and recruiter at USAFA. Once again, what level of evangelism (or racism or bigotry) just this excuse? How does this single, hard-to-find line assuage the fears of a potential cadet and football player at USAFA that Coach L would treat him differently if the recruit WASN'T a Christian that agrees with Coach L's views? Would he have any chance at starting if Coach knew, or would he be 'forced' to trot down to the end zone with the others at the start of each game and "pretend" to pray?
Lots of people at USAFA manage to do this without the overt bias of Lebotzke. You can scan the other coaches' Twitter feeds and they seem to get the job done without the evangelism. And what Coach L does might be okay at a school that endorses a specific Christian perspective and then covers up sexual assault like Baylor, but Baylor is a private school--not a US government operated institution. I manage several Facebook pages. Some are quasi-official and one is my own. Even on my own private page, where I claim that all of the views are private and not to be associated with the government, with no overt photo that ties me to the government on my profile, I would never DREAM of posting anything religious or political because I know that I have subordinates and other airmen that visit my page and are my social media 'friends.' I don't want them to EVER think that I would judge them based upon anything besides how they do their job. So, I would rightly be fired (or at least counseled or disciplined) if I started my "feed" with a statement endorsing the Flying Spaghetti Monster, quoting Marx on religion, or denegrating those that happen to (in their private lives) believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible, Koran, or some religious text and those that see that religious view as the ONLY guide to lead one's life.
You're STILL wrong, Steed, and I'll continue to beat this dead horse until you get it right.

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Posted by BirdManBlue on 12/04/2016 at 7:12 AM

Re: “UPATE: Did dinosaurs and humans co-exist? Flier at USAFA says yes.

Should such material be removed from a government office? Certainly. However, the question not answered in the article is whether the aggrieved retiree reported the flyer (or the previous incidents) to anyone on staff. This does seem to be important information, as I personally would imagine that generally the clinical staff is going to be more concerned with serving patients than with policing the waiting room. No matter how wrong or offensive an individual may find an action, not bringing it to the attention of the responsible parties ensures that no action will be taken.

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Posted by Michael Lindenbusch on 12/03/2016 at 11:42 AM

Re: “AFA football coach uses tweets to evangelize

'BirdManBlue's' post is directly on point and I appreciate the insight.

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Posted by Rael Nidess on 12/03/2016 at 10:51 AM

Re: “AFA football coach uses tweets to evangelize

Whether it's a gov't owned account or not is irrelevant. He's an employee of the Academy (through the Athletic Dept) and he's using the USAFA "Brand" on his site. He identifies as a representative of the Academy, a coach, and a RECRUITER of cadets--and therein lies the rub. There's no issue with his religious beliefs--he's free to believe and practice as he sees fit. I defend that right every day. BUT, where he goes off the (legal) reservation is by proclaiming his faith on a site that he SIMULTANEOUSLY uses to represent and serve the Academy. He should and could have a separate Lebotsky account that's just for him and has no tie to USAFA (or claim to his job) where he can write all of the stuff he wants--and ISN'T followed by recruits or cadets.
Let's look at a couple of examples... If a leader (and he is one as a coach) at USAFA, on their team site or even a site that linked them with USAFA proclaimed that 'Religion is the Opiate of the Masses' and USAFA and the military spend WAY too much money on sky fairy fantasies (e.g., the Chapel and its impending $multi-million renovation) when their real mission is to educate cadets to be rational, critically thinking leaders of our Air Force, then that leader would be instantly called onto the carpet by leadership for this affront and insult to religious members of the USAFA community. It would give the impression that USAFA is hostile to religion--that would be wrong and bad. The same could be said if a dept head or AOC, on their own site with 2500 followers and USAFA branding said that the one true path was to serve Allah and not man. That would give the impression to that officer's subordinates that they might not be treated fairly, nor would recruits be welcome, if they didn't fell like that commander. In Steed's case, it's reasonable to assume that he might not be an effective recruiter of someone who isn't an overt, evangelical Christian since I'm sure his recruits are encouraged to "follow" his Twitter feed. If I was an atheist or Muslim recruit, I'd certainly look elsewhere.

This really isn't that hard. 99% of the military deals with it every day successfully. At work, it's about the mission and your job. If you represent your work, you keep your religion, politics, and sexual preference private--they don't belong at work. If you want to express political or religious views, you do so outside of work, in a manner that would not lead a reasonable person to think that you are endorsing those views and that the organization you represent REQUIRES or ENDORSES those views at the expense of other. Steed can have his own religious page, but he CAN'T do it as a representative of USAFA. He doesn't get it, his bosses don't get it and haven't taught him that, so they should all be disciplined for the damage they've caused.

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Posted by BirdManBlue on 12/03/2016 at 6:57 AM

Re: “AFA football coach uses tweets to evangelize

Are you sure this is a government-owned Twitter account? It seems to be his personal account. The article seems to skirt around this issue with innuendo.

If it is indeed his personal account then trying to shut him down goes against the spirit of his constitutional right to free speech. Surely this publication is all for free speech.

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Posted by dkenk on 12/02/2016 at 7:27 PM

Re: “AFA football coach uses tweets to evangelize

Well said, Sir!

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Posted by Mark Gray on 12/02/2016 at 6:44 PM

Re: “AFA football coach uses tweets to evangelize

The old Christian war phrase was "praise the Lord and pass the ammunition" This bible thumper tight end coach seems to have changed it to "praise the Lord and pass me the ball".

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Posted by Gopher on 12/02/2016 at 6:43 PM

Re: “UPATE: Did dinosaurs and humans co-exist? Flier at USAFA says yes.

Through graduation from New England prep schools and an Ivy League college (and graduate school), I had never been exposed to the scientific evidence for creation nor the scientific problems with evolution. I now resent having been brainwashed and if you are fortunate to stumble upon such a newspaper full of scientific, archaeological and historical facts, you might be grateful to learn the truth and not fear it and react like a spoiled teenager. Check out Answersingenesis.org or ICR.org. There is a good reason why so many PhD scientists are creationists. ~ NSW

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Posted by Nat Weeks on 12/02/2016 at 5:02 PM

Re: “AFA football coach uses tweets to evangelize

It's hard to know how to respond to this latest affront the the Constitution, the 3rd in 48 hours, from the evidently 'converted' institution formerly known as the United States Air Force Academy, but now more properly the 'Holy Blood of the Lamb School of Sacred Airborne Imperialist Aggression' [a fully taxpayer funded parochial university of Christian fundamentalist dogma and applied military skills]. This most recent affront; evangelizing via a government-sponsored Twitter account by someone who cannot be anything less than intimately aware of the long history of Constitutional violations that have cropped up repeatedly, like a bad case of hemorrhoids, from within the very department in which he works and who occupies a position in the hierarchy in which he should not only be aware of AF directive 1-1 but who should be responsible to insuring it is carried out, cannot be anything less that a supervisor-approved, intentional act of sedition against the Constitution the former AFA is specifically empowered to defend and protect (if I understand correctly, as a civilian, he's not been required to swear such an oath). In his arrogant contempt for the regulations, he doesn't even bother to use a private, non-governmental Twitter account. That would spoil the intent, don't you see?

That as an employee of a government entity, utilizing a government-funded means of communication for proselytizing his personal religious beliefs conflates them to be official government policy in violation of the Constitution's 'Establishment Clause' is unarguable.

Those who colonized this country were fleeing state-mandated religious beliefs in order to freely practice what they believed (let's disregard the genocide & religious dictatorship they themselves practiced upon arrival). When our founders decided to write a constitution laying out the core beliefs of the new nation, they specifically understood that a monolithic state religion was anathema to democracy and led only to religious wars (of which Europe provided aplenty) and therefore specifically forbade it in the document we all now revere. But, those lessons, under the pressure of a few dogmatic and unrelenting fanatics, are destroying the secular democracy endowed to us by the founders and the framework for a new Christofascist theocracy is being laid.

Where's the outrage?

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Posted by Rael Nidess on 12/02/2016 at 2:48 PM

Re: “UPATE: Did dinosaurs and humans co-exist? Flier at USAFA says yes.

would you people be so dismissive if the magazine was a jihadist Muslim mag??? ...

same garbage different brand. same desire to control the rest of the population.

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Re: “Middle school can be cheesy

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Posted by ryanperlman on 12/02/2016 at 5:07 AM

Re: “UPATE: Did dinosaurs and humans co-exist? Flier at USAFA says yes.

Stop it. Just don't publish such an absurd story and call it news. It's insane to think there was proselytizing going on here by leaving one religious publication in a waiting area that can be populated by anyone, further, if you don't like the message, then don't read it. Easy peasy. Hide it under the other magazines if you so desire, but don't cry wolf on something so ridiculous.

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Posted by JT1342 on 12/02/2016 at 4:17 AM

Re: “UPATE: Did dinosaurs and humans co-exist? Flier at USAFA says yes.

Never heard of the discovery news before (and it doesn't sound like anything I would read) however if you truly believe that a magazine left in a waiting room indicates endorsement than you are an idiot. If you are worried that an academy cadet would be brainwashed because he sat next to a religious publication, then we should be concerned about the quality of recruits. Separation of church and state does not require that government facilities and employees be completely devoid of religion or any spec of personal religious material then you have no idea about the Constitution. I shouldn't have wasted my time reading this post, it is as devoid of fact and truth as the magazine they are crying about.

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Posted by Joe1 on 12/01/2016 at 9:45 PM

Re: “UPATE: Did dinosaurs and humans co-exist? Flier at USAFA says yes.

Wow, a flier left behind at the clinic??? Conspiracies abound. The constant drumming up of controversy by this publication and Weinstein are beyond the pale. Guess the Indy is the ready vehicle for fake news. Sad

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Posted by CT on 12/01/2016 at 3:24 PM

Re: “UPATE: Did dinosaurs and humans co-exist? Flier at USAFA says yes.

While it may be thought unreasonable to criticize the clinic staff for the single instance of the anti-science 'Discovery Institute's' fundamentalist Christian agitprop being present (perhaps some 'outside agitator' had just put it there) the functional part of the victim's complaint is "... previously on two appointments I had ignored Christian proselytizing materials found there...". In other words, this is an habitual occurrence; hence the clinic staff and, more importantly, their supervisors should have been aware of this repetitive 'attack' on the government clinic's Constitutional requirement to not 'establish' a preferred religion and should have taken the necessary steps (e.g.; posting a sign like 'Please leave no unauthorized material' or more aggressive measures) to insure that its patrons are not confronted with religious proselytizing in a circumstance suggesting it is official U.S. government dogma... one can only imagine the uproar had the document be a Qu'ran! Sadly, however, such tacit endorsement of a 'state religion', dominionist Christianity, has become the rule rather than the exception at AFA. Happily, Mikey & MRFF are johnny-on-the-spot to hold the proper feet to the fire.

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Posted by Rael Nidess on 12/01/2016 at 2:27 PM

Re: “UPDATE: AFA cadet wears uniform for Christian testimonial

Allah Akbar.

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Posted by longtooth on 12/01/2016 at 2:04 PM

Re: “UPDATE: AFA cadet wears uniform for Christian testimonial

As Christian supremacy becomes more & more embedded in the highest levels of our once-secular government, this cadet's actions, whether an informed & intentional act of sedition against the Constitution he's sworn to protect & defend, or merely the act of an ignorant naif, once more places the AFA, an hotbed of recurrent domionist Christian influenced anti-constitutional acts, at the center of the 'no establishment' clause. By virtue of making his religious statement in uniform, he lends the weight & power of the U.S. government to his religious ideology; an act the founders knew led to unending religious conflicts and their attendant horrors and consequently forbade in the founding document. In the past, the AFA hierarchy has seen fit to empower regime-friendly 'kangaroo courts' to assess compliance with Constitutional obligations (e.g.; the football team's prayer circles issue absolution) producing the expected result of 'no problem'. One has little hope that this latest transgression will result in a 'teachable moment' any more than those prior have done.

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Posted by Rael Nidess on 12/01/2016 at 8:56 AM

Re: “Utilities set to meet new clean-air standards, official says

Sure, the city is working on meeting the new clean-air standards now, but the whole point is that they've been polluting out of control for decades and lying to cover it up.

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Posted by Nicole Rosa on 11/30/2016 at 10:42 AM

Re: “Utilities set to meet new clean-air standards, official says

The truth has come out by the Courts disclosure of CSU effort to lie to the public about the negative health effects of the pollution spewing from Martin Drake. The reason CSU tried to hide the truth from the public is now an open secret. Shame on you Jerry Forte.

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Posted by Solar Sam on 11/30/2016 at 6:09 AM

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