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Re: “UPDATE: ROAR: Still here, still fighting Over the River

By far the biggest impact on the Arkansas River is the industrial rafting industry. Over 50 companies have commercialized, commodified and prostituted every inch of the upper Arkansas. The year in, year out impact of virtually unregulated commercial rafting has had a devastating effect on the ecology of the region. If ROAR were a serious environmental group, that would be their focus, not some minor two week art project.

Posted by Heywood on 07/15/2016 at 9:28 AM

Re: “Darryl Glenn, his own words

Scumbag of the Day: Megachurch Pastor Admits He’d Choose Trump Over Jesus

As an atheist, I have a very low opinion of religion to begin with. As a LIBERAL atheist, I consider right wing Christianity to be the single greatest threat to life on this planet. Not for nothing, if Jesus is supposed to be your role model, at least PRETEND you don’t despise the poor, the sick, and everyone that’s not a white heterosexual male.

But until this moment, right wing “Christian” leaders had to still maintain the fiction that Jesus was their Lord and blablabla. That seems to have ended as Robert Jeffress, the con-man pastor of a megachurch in Dallas has openly thrown Jesusunder the wheels of Trump’s jet-plane: “You know, I was debating an evangelical professor on NPR, and this professor said, ‘Pastor, don’t you want a candidate who embodies the teaching of Jesus and would govern this country according to the principles found in the Sermon on the Mount?’” Jeffress said. “I said, ‘Heck no.’ I would run from that candidate as far as possible, because the Sermon on the Mount was not given as a governing principle for this nation.”

Well, thank God (if you’ll forgive the expression)! It truly is a refreshing sight to see an influential leader of the religious right finally admit what so many of us have been saying for so many years: Conservative Christianity has little to nothing to do with Jesus and everything to do with weaponizing religion. It’s not about “salvation” or “living free of sin”; it’s about control and power. That’s it. Put women in their place. Keep the rich on top. Punish the poor. Strip minorities of their civil rights.

In other words: Do the exact opposite of what Jesus actually says in the Bible.

http://freakoutnation.com/2016/07/scumbag-…

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Posted by guruD on 07/15/2016 at 8:27 AM

Re: “I-25: It's only getting worse

They should have made a "Thruway Highway" road out east 20 years ago, like they have back in NY and in Eastern states. That way trucks and cars that don't need to go thru the cities can bypass them to get thru the state quicker and safer for the population. We didn't get trucks dumping hazardous materials on the highways in the cities and less car congestion on the city highways.

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Posted by guruD on 07/15/2016 at 7:49 AM

Re: “I-25: It's only getting worse

The problem with a rail system between Colorado Springs and Denver is summed up in one simple dilemma "Once I get to Colorado Springs or Denver, how do I get to my final destination?" If the lightrail, bullet train, what have you dumps you off at a station, you still have to get from that station to where you want to be. Europe (lived there for over a decade) has this taken care of by excellent intra-city mass transit. The US, not so much. Personal autos are very much a privilege and definitely not a necessity in Europe.

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Posted by Dave H on 07/14/2016 at 5:54 PM

Re: “I-25: It's only getting worse

There is no indication that adding more traffic lanes to the Interstate is anything but a short-term solution. Look at LA or the area around D.C. LA is bumper to bumper at sunrise. The country needs to look at rail systems.

Also not sure it is ever a good idea to reclassify funds designated for a particular purpose just for a quick fix for something else. That's how Social Security ran into difficulty -- politicians dipping into an available trough. If a fund is no longer needed, bring the pressure of the opinion column to bear on getting rid of it, not on using it as an alternate funding source.

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Posted by Clara McKenna on 07/14/2016 at 3:36 PM

Re: “Listen to the Jesus bench complaint

asawatcher
Thanks for the civil discourse, it is always enjoyable and informative. Hell, I'll talk about just about anything as long as it stays civil, (of course, I do fail at civility myself more often than I'd like). You've challenged some of my preconceived notions and given me food for thought as well.

As far as I know, there is still no bus to the airport, nor any affordable flights. I usually fly out of Denver. It would seem important if we are trying to attract tourists though. I use public transportation anytime I travel to a major city, prefer it to driving in a unfamiliar place.

Have an awesome day man!

Posted by obliosupercat on 07/14/2016 at 3:34 PM

Re: “I-25: It's only getting worse

I agree that I-25 is a mess, however I don't think the best answer is to widen the lanes.

We need some form of light-rail connecting the front-range. Denver has a good enough transportation itself to not need a car once there.

How many deaths result from driving accidents every year? Think of how many times we've been lucky enough to sit in traffic, and not be in the crash that caused it.

I don't understand why we're focusing so much energy into projects that take money away from the city. We need a light-rail for the front range, for our little city we need to restore the streetcar.

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Posted by KyleJS on 07/14/2016 at 3:01 PM

Re: “Listen to the Jesus bench complaint

obliosupercat;
I may have to reconsider my comment about faith being appropriate only in religious contexts. Perhaps a "Jesus Bench" is there to inspire faith or, maybe just hope, while anticipating the arrival of an actual bus in Colo. Springs :-)
Is there a city bus out to the Municipal airport yet?
In any regard, thanks for the measured comments. You have given me food for thought, and challenged my ability to communicate in some sort of lucid manner. I always enjoy that sort of exchange.

Posted by asawatcher on 07/14/2016 at 1:49 PM

Re: “New bus route meets opposition from Old North End

As Brian mentioned the proposed changes only affect 1.4 miles of bus route 9 & 19 that pass through a historic residential neighborhood. There are 4 lightly used bus stops on this stretch of N. Nevada. The rest of the route and stops on Nevada between UCCS and Downtown will not be affected by this change and will maintain their 15 minute service. For more information on the ONEN Bus Plan, please visit this website: http://oldnorthend.org/mmt-releases-propos…

It does a much better job of explaining the concerns of ONEN neighbors and the proposed solution to the problem.

There is also a blog with several posts that further detail the extensive process that was used to arrive at the ONEN solution: http://oldnorthend.org/transit-committee-b…

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Posted by Bob Sullivan on 07/14/2016 at 11:49 AM

Re: “Marijuana industry cheats death with clever political tactic

no one got bought off we just don't agree that alcohol is any better and think that they should lay off the little plant that helps so many people.

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Posted by Jay Whynotaskme on 07/14/2016 at 10:13 AM

Re: “Listen to the Jesus bench complaint

asawatcher,
I understand your point concerning the difference between faith and belief, though it is subtle and related to context. For an agnostic, questions of faith and belief are based solely on material evidence. The agnostic asks the question 'how do I know, what I know?' 'Is my knowledge based on solid evidence, or are they beliefs based on feelings, intuition, hearsay, personal ignorance, or manipulation?' To believe and to know are two different things to an agnostic. I know that hairbrushes exist, based on material evidence. I know that if I don't move my toes to prevent a brick from falling on them it will hurt, I know this based on evidence and experience with heavy things falling. A child only touches a hot stove once, once out of curiosity, after that they have knowledge that it will burn.

As for Leprechauns: My intuition tells me that there is no such thing as magical little beings roaming the earth hiding pots of gold called leprechauns; so I tend to believe that they do not exist; however, I have no evidence as to whether they exist or not, so I don't waste my time making those judgements or claiming knowledge about Leprechauns, much like the question of gods existence.

Concerning your question: Why do theists burden atheism with the theological baggage that theists require to affirm their FAITH? I don't know why theist take that position, anymore than why the woman who I initially responded to feels that some folks "atheist cards should be revoked". I suspect that it may have to do with folks rationalizing their own non-evidence based beliefs. Perhaps it is the ego getting in the way of asking the question in an honest way "What evidence do I have for my beliefs?" Perhaps it is a general distaste for admitting there are just some things that cannot be known. Why do atheists try to lump the agnostic point of view in with their own? Good questions.

From a personal point of view. My experiences with both theists and atheists are very similar, as both groups somehow feel that as an agnostic, I really do share their faith and beliefs, I just need a little convincing, a little rhetoric to push me off the fence. I consider myself agnostic, because neither theism or atheism are a good fit for the way my mind operates, I spent my early life, until my late 30s defining myself as an atheist, at some point it didn't work for me anymore, I wish it did, I miss the certainty I felt. The older I get the more I question my own beliefs, the more I ask myself 'how do I know what I know?' Turns out a person can pick up some bad information over time, and allow it to be incorporated as beliefs in a very unconscious way. Agnosticism is really the scientific method applied to life. Distinct and separate from either theism or atheism.

Theists are theists, atheists are atheists, agnostics are agnostics, and if any of these groups are being offended by a Jesus is Lord bus bench, then the question needs to be asked. Why? This is not a church and state issue, it is a freedom of speech issue. It is not an issue of whether Jesus is truly Lord, its about a place to sit (maybe ponder the nature of faith, belief, and knowledge) while waiting for a bus that is partially funded by advertising to arrive.

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Posted by obliosupercat on 07/14/2016 at 9:52 AM

Re: “The Little Market lives again, and a Cambodian food truck launches

Hi James,
Totally understood. That's one of the challenges of us being a weekly paper — when news comes in on a Wed., Thurs., or Fri. and we're waiting to hit racks again on the following Wednesday. We'll often put up teasers on the blog ahead of time, and in this case, best I can say is I and the INDY had tweeted it late last week. Please follow us both on Twitter and Facebook and hopefully we'll get you the word ahead of time on the next event you're interested in.

Posted by Matthew Schniper on 07/14/2016 at 9:43 AM

Re: “Public Market eyes Labor Day opening

(Carter Payne Event Center/Green Man Taproom) at 320 S. Weber St.

Posted by Lalahartma on 07/14/2016 at 7:13 AM

Re: “The Little Market lives again, and a Cambodian food truck launches

Would have loved to know about the meeting on July 13th before the article was published on July 13th.

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Posted by James Parmenter on 07/14/2016 at 6:26 AM

Re: “Listen to the Jesus bench complaint

obliosupercat;
One would think that such an illustrious Dictionary as the Oxford English (or any other) would know that two different words: “belief” and “faith” have two different meanings.
For example: If I drop a brick, I move my toes, not because I exercise “faith” but because I “believe” that if I don’t, I might experience pain. Both theists and atheists, for the most part, “believe” the same things. What they DON’T share is “faith”.

Faith is appropriate and exists only in the context of religion. When discussing religious issues the appropriate words should be used. Theists have “FAITH” in their God’s existence. They “believe” in the existence of their hair brushes. I hope you can understand that basic difference.**

For the Oxford English Dictionary to not use the word “faith” when defining a word, the ESSENCE of which is the very absence of faith leads me to believe that if they are going to define “atheist” perhaps they should have asked an atheist.
Not only that, but their definition of “agnostic” begs the question: if a person claims to NOT have faith in the existence of a god, how the heck can that same person claim to also NOT have “disbelief”? Again, a person either has faith or they don’t. There is no middle ground.
Though you have deflected the discussion away from the topic, I am still curious as to how you would answer the questions posed in my previous post.
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I do concede that in everyday conversation a theist can say “I believe in God”, and everybody understands what they mean. But we are NOT having an everyday conversation. We are specifically talking about religious issues, and that involves FAITH, not generic everyday “beliefs”. I’m surprised a prestigious Dictionary does not recognize that. I hope you can.

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Posted by asawatcher on 07/13/2016 at 11:14 PM

Re: “AmeriGeddon

I live in Colorado and totally want to see amerigeddon but no theaters in Colorado showing it

Posted by Charles Henry on 07/13/2016 at 8:13 PM

Re: “Public Market eyes Labor Day opening

Did I miss where it is located?

Posted by Debbie Benson on 07/13/2016 at 6:13 PM

Re: “New bus route meets opposition from Old North End

This article has several factual errors. Here are just a few: 1) The previous route on Wahsatch was 60 minutes, not 30 minutes; 2) The reasons given why ONEN objects to the plan are not correct; 3) Some elderly and people with disabilities are negatively affected by moving the bus route away from the amenities on Wahsatch Avenue. Some people have to resort to stealing grocery carts or take a cab. Why isn't the Independence Center concerned for the people they are supposed to be protecting? 4) The main reasons listed on the ONEN website are safety issues of placing buses on an overloaded residential street, and that doing so violates the ONEN Master Plan and City Ordinance intended to respect our residential streets.

The ONEN Bus Plan, which keeps a direct bus down Cascade while returning a local bus down Wahsatch, improves the bus system for people who need to reach the local amenities while maintaining a 15-minute bus service to points north and south. Most of all, it respects that Nevada is already busy and dangerous enough without adding buses to the equation. 15 minute service is only lost for the 1.4-mile stretch through the residential area.

15-minute service is an attempt to attract choice riders at the expense of conveniences for those who need the bus to survive. ONEN is not against 15-minute service, but it does not work through our neighborhood because it keeps the bus away from local amenities and makes an already deadly residential street even more dangerous. There have been four fatalities in the last 4 years on the 1.4-mile stretch of Nevada Avenue through ONEN. We think the City should be making this residential street (that passes 1/2 block from Steele Elementary) safer. There has already been one bus-related accident on Nevada in the 2nd month of service.

I am the ONEN Transit Committee Chair. If you are willing to reprint this article as an objective piece of journalism, please contact me to get the facts. Readers should know that this is an editorial piece and only tells one side of the story.

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Posted by Brian S on 07/13/2016 at 4:36 PM

Re: “John Morse: We must fix the assault weapon problem

Once again, Morse simply doesn't understand why he was fired--twice.

Once again, Morse blames the firearm.

Once again, he's wrong.

Morse tries to engage in political skullduggery by claiming that Scalia wrote that there is no right to have what Morse repeatedly and incorrectly calls "military-style assault" rifles (which is NOT a semi-auto rifle, despite what Morse thinks, and he should know better since he was a cop before he got fired from that job, too!). To quote the actual Heller ruling in Holding 3:

"The District’s total ban on handgun possession in the home amounts to a prohibition on an entire class of “arms” that Americans overwhelmingly choose for the lawful purpose of self-defense. Under any of the standards of scrutiny the Court has applied to enumerated constitutional rights, this prohibition—in the place where the importance of the lawful defense of self, family, and property is most acute—would fail constitutional muster."

In short, because a semi-auto rifle is a class of arms, it can't be banned, and we have a right to them, both under the Second AND Fourth Amendments. Morse seems to forget that the peaceable acquisition, possession, use, and disposal of private property, including firearms, is not only a fundamental right, but protected by both Amendments and is none of government's (or his!) damned business.

Instead he wants to hold third parties, gun sellers responsible for the actions people take with the products that people buy once they buy them, as if the sellers are somehow mind readers and can act like Radar O'Reilly. Sorry, Johnny, but that's crap. By your standard, I should hold YOU responsible for laws that you passed that criminals ignored that harmed me and violated my rights--like the magazine ban that violated my property rights and the background checks that violated my privacy rights.

No, you can't sue gun makers for their products working correctly, even if the user was a deranged nut case, or a flaming liberal (but I repeat myself), or a hyper-religious conservative (again, I repeat myself). When will you learn, Johnny, that the responsibility for one's actions lie with the individual alone and not someone else? I'm sure that was taught to you in pre-Kindergarten. Were you absent that day?

You were fired from at least two jobs because you have been repeatedly shown to be unable to cope with adult reality, as most liberals are similarly unable to do so. When you decide to join the adults in the real world, then maybe you'll be listened to, but you've got a long, long road to travel before then.

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Posted by Tannim on 07/13/2016 at 4:07 PM

Re: “Darryl Glenn, his own words

Yes, Glenn, there has been an "expansion of marriage" because terms and conditions have evolved since the start of civilization more than 8 thousand years ago. Thankfully, woman are no longer considered property, just like multiple marriages were outlawed and divorce was legalized. Also, adultery was legalized or taken off the books as a crime, and you're complaining about marriage changing to include LOVING AND COMMITTED SAME SEX PARTNERS??? Get real, dude.

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Posted by guruD on 07/13/2016 at 3:53 PM

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