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Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

It seems obvious that many of you may never have had to sit through a professional staff workshop on Sexual & Environment Harassment. On the job, there are many different situational boundries that you can’t cross, and things like Facebook and dating are just a part of the rules of behavior that are now being included. And to have personal displays in your own job space that is not your personal home is not your right, and if your job says not to, then you have to follow their rules. I suggest that you read your Employee Handbook on this matter.

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Posted by guruD on 08/19/2016 at 12:50 PM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

So, other than having his religious text at work has this major actually been practicing his religion while on the clock or talking about it to coworkers who didn't want to listen? Has he been doing his job? If so then why is this public display of support for or interest in Christianity any more disturbing than a public display of support for a sports team or family?

The guy in charge of the investigation said "If a person has a Koran display or book of Satan, they're free to have that on display and read it as long as they're not proselytizing, trying to entice someone to their particular viewpoint". So if he's not preaching or talking someone over to his viewpoint then he's clear. He is allowed to have a Bible on display and read it.

Unless of course the issue isn't making everything fair for everyone but instead finding a way to attack one religion, Christianity, specifically.

To those who suggested he have work related books on his desk instead: I hardly think that this Bible was the /only/ book on his desk.

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Posted by Rhianna Dilworth on 08/19/2016 at 12:38 PM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation should be up on their soapbox __defending__ the Major's right to have his Bible on his desk.

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Posted by Joe Uzer on 08/19/2016 at 12:13 PM

Re: “Some Air Force Academy cadets never have a chance — and they leave feeling defeated

You're wrong Maverick. Every cadet is not force fed drugs nor treated like a military test subject like this kid was.

Every cadet is not used as a scapegoat in order to coverup blotched investigations.

Argue and stomp your virtual foot all you want. It really doesn't make a bit of difference to me. The entire institution is designed to pull the wool over the eyes of the naive general public. And for the most part, it works (you're proof). I'd be just like you if I wasn't privy to some of the dirty little secrets.

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Posted by carrot__shoes on 08/19/2016 at 11:53 AM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

I once worked at a college maintenance dept where in the painter's shop where my car wash station was they had porno centerfolds hanging on the walls. As this was their space, are you saying I had no right to be offended as a female if they said it was their religion to display the naked female body cause that was how Adam and Eve where created? NOT, this was harassment then, and it is harassment now to push your religion on the job!!!

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Posted by guruD on 08/19/2016 at 11:35 AM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

Religious Freedom means you have the right to practice the religion of your choice, but not everywhere and anytime you want, such as work or in public places under civil laws regarding this issue. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AT WORK AS IN ACTIONS LIKE DISPLAYING A BIBLE AT THE AFB. On my job at a non-profit, this would be considered HARASSMENT of your co-workers, and therefore, I could get fired for doing so.

Also, my taxpayer dollars pays this man’s salary and I don’t want my money promoting HIS BELIEFS while on the job. What don’t you get about this? You are not paid to preach, you are paid to WORK. You may also have Religious Freedom in your own home, but you do not have the freedom to scream your beliefs at the top of your lungs in the middle of the street at midnight because this is also limited by our civil laws. What don’t you get about Freedom of Religion is not your freedom to push your religion on others, it is freedom to believe what you want.

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Posted by guruD on 08/19/2016 at 11:21 AM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

So, the book was out in plain sight; apparently there for his frequent use. So what? Religious FREEDOM is supposed to mean just that, right? I mean, is he holding his colleagues and/or subordinates at gunpoint, forcing them to read the thing or listen to him read it? The entire situation is a ridiculous waste of time. If his colleagues and/or subordinates don't like it, let them display their own religious texts. FREEDOM of religion... RIGHT??? Or wrong? Do we have it, or don't we? If we DO, in fact, have freedom of religion, then leave him ALONE. It's HIS Bible, on HIS workstation.

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Posted by Antigone A. Freimann on 08/19/2016 at 10:51 AM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

Conservative Christians are just too RELIGIOUS!!! When I was in a Pentecostal ministry as a missionary in the '80s, we were told that when we were at work we were to honor our employer and do the best work we could as our witness of Christ in our lives. Since when do Christians feel it is there right to bring their religion to work??? I just don't get it when it is very clear in Ephesians not to do this because you are being paid to work not witness..

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Posted by guruD on 08/19/2016 at 10:12 AM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

At the same time this umm, Christian is complaining about a bible being placed on a majors desk. The current occupant of the W.H. is advising supervisors of D.H.L.S. or some other meaningless department, to give some extra leeway to Muslims as they celebrate their holiday of rahmadon. Due to the fact that they may be tired from fasting and praying for 5 hours. So they will want to take a nap. So, is that not favoring a particular religion? I'm confused on how that's okay but Do Not Display your bible at your personal desk. Such politically correct BS!!!

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Posted by trublupat on 08/19/2016 at 10:10 AM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

To Tom McMinn ... Disagree. Removing the bible display means the Major's subordinates don't have to worry they won't get good assignments or promotions because they don't follow the Major's particular religious practices. It is a logical fallacy to say not establishing a religion is tantamount to establishing atheism.

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Posted by Milt_johnson on 08/19/2016 at 9:48 AM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

Separation of Church and State means that the State will stay out of the business of Religion, not the other way around. The term came from Thomas Jefferson, and is not in any of the official documents of the founding of our country. The intent of the writers of the bill of rights was to assure the State never adopted an approved religion, not to limit those involved with the state from practicing their own religion. To remove this bible is tantamount to making the State Religion Atheism...

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Posted by Tom McMinn on 08/19/2016 at 9:26 AM

Re: “Explosives, junk contribute to Vista Grande neighborhood tensions

Do you not understand that his mother is caring for him? By providing housing and, I would imagine, taking care of most of his bills. I love how you claim he's a threat to the public when the only truly dangerous activity at the home was never and never will be tied to his own actions, since the suspect readily took credit for the explosives.

"An addict with multiple warrants", yeah, all for what? In sum, just because he lives a lifestyle that those around him don't approve of since it isn't exactly like theirs. All he's really done is choose to put a substance in his body that our government has made illegal while allowing for the wide scale consumption of other substances with nearly identical effects and chemical structure. How do you not see the hypocrisy there?

I'll tell you why. Because you think of him as an addict instead of a human being. Maybe if society actually acknowledged the humanity of people struggling with substance dependency and didn't constantly drive home the " fact" that we are dirty, diseased, evil criminals that care for no one but themselves, maybe we would be more able to move past that dilemma in our lives and see our own value enough to get healthy.

But nah, just keep on treating us as subhuman "eyesores" and getting pissed when we can't see our own human value. Keep trying to prevent the establishment of resources like methadone clinics and needle exchanges while supporting laws that push those of us unfortunate enough to come into unfavorable contact with law enforcement back into the cycle of poverty and addiction where it's pretty much impossible to get out of the system.

Because it's working out so well as we speak.


Right here folks, El Paso county's small minded ignorance at its finest.

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Posted by Cait Stella on 08/18/2016 at 9:54 PM

Re: “When dad is a pedophile

WHat THE FUCK?? No no no no way you pedopiles ..My mother was sexually abused as a child and she is VERY VERY damaged from it ...these victims have to live with the fucking consequences for the Rest of their lives !!!! Get a therapist or you will burn in Hell!

Posted by seriously?! on 08/18/2016 at 4:44 PM

Re: “If voters approve, could ColoradoCare really pay for itself? It's complicated

We are currently being screwed and we all know it. ColoradoCare potentially gives us, as individuals supporting this economy, the opportunity to save a lot of money on health care. I don't know about you but for $1500+ a month for a family of 4, making just enough to not qualify for government assistance, that is way too much money. On top of that, a 10k max out of pocket on individual and a 15k on family. INSANE SINCE WE PAY OVER 18K A YEAR ON PREMIUMS - not to mention co-pays and prescriptions. We don't even come close to using 18K in medical services. Privatization of health care is NOT universal/socialized healthcare. Its called stickin' it to the people. Stick it to us at the liquor store or the dispensary if necessary. Also, I just want to point out that those who do make so little income that they qualify for government subsidies actually end end up paying for it out of their tax returns. What is the saying... if it isn't broke, don't fix it? Well this system is BROKEN - so why not try something new. At least this is a step in the right direction. Love and light, friends, love and light.

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Posted by Elise on 08/18/2016 at 3:56 PM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

Eeek ! Watch Out ! That bible's gonna bite you ! It's Freedom of Religion not freedom from Religion.

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Posted by Earl Lowery on 08/18/2016 at 9:51 AM

Re: “If voters approve, could ColoradoCare really pay for itself? It's complicated

People: gov't imposed (i.e. mandatory, not voluntary) health-care has been a disaster from inception to it's current state of flawed implementation.

Can you show in the Constitution where the Feds can force the citizenry to purchase a private good, service or commodity under penalty-of-law? Is such regulation really their function, and why would you invest them with that kind of power?

They can't keep the USPS solvent, but you'd entrust them with a sixth of the economy?

This house of collapsing cards was built on lies--guess who uttered this whopper? ""If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."--and required support of the "stupid" (the administation's term, not mine) to pass and enact it.

Time to dismantle it all and get back to individuals *gasp* making their own decisions and choices.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4391…

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Posted by LibertyForAll on 08/18/2016 at 8:03 AM

Re: “Some Air Force Academy cadets never have a chance — and they leave feeling defeated

What people are getting wrong here, is the academy is not getting you ready to serve. It's getting you ready to lead. Big difference, they are making the future officers of the air force. It's going to be the hardest thing you do in your life. If you can't cut it, they weed you out because you would be jeopardizing those you are responsible for. It's the same reason us army ranger school is basically mandatory for infantry officers. They want to find the people who don't have the skillset, or internal Constitution to be able to prevail no matter what the circumstances are. Is it fair? Probably not, but then again, neither is war, and that's the purpose behind the service academies.

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Posted by Seve Bertolone on 08/18/2016 at 1:15 AM

Re: “If voters approve, could ColoradoCare really pay for itself? It's complicated

So the kind of screwing we are currently getting is one that we DO want? How ridiculous is that?

You should get your facts straight. Since retirement income is exempted from the tax up to a point over the amount that most seniors will see, most will likely pay NO tax. Small businesses that are currently providing health insurance for their employees will see savings, not increased costs. Others will see healthier employees and likely less turnover.

We only have two choices in November. We can vote YES on 69, or we can continue the current system which is a total disaster.

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Posted by Guinn E Unger Jr on 08/17/2016 at 8:24 PM

Re: “If voters approve, could ColoradoCare really pay for itself? It's complicated

Our current healthcare insurance system is broken and if you've had a serious illness or injury in your family you know how brutally it treats you even if you have insurance.

It's time to stop throwing chili suppers and bake sales to help out our relatives, friends and neighbors who get clobbered by medical bills. We need a serious healthcare system that covers every Coloradan all the time. ColoradoCare would eliminate the waste, profits and politics from healthcare. The savings would be enough to cover every Coloradan with top quality healthcare, and no deductibles.

Don't go on just crossing your fingers, hoping your health will be good. You owe it to yourself and your fellow Coloradans to learn more about ColoradoCare, volunteer, donate and vote for it in the November election. www.ColoradoCare.org

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Posted by Dave Beckwith on 08/17/2016 at 7:35 PM

Re: “You judge the judge

Tannin - even the exceptionally good ones? Had a bad court experience have you? Done some time have you? Got a brain have you?

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Posted by judge johnny on 08/17/2016 at 5:57 PM

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