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Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Let me begin, Mr. Miller, by clearing the air. I am not a liberal.

Lawyers have a saying: if you have the facts, argue the facts; if you do not have the facts, argue the merits; and, if you do not have the facts or the merits, argue like hell. I thoroughly enjoyed your precious, yet insipid, metaphor about forests and trees and pieces of bark. You do realize it proves nothing. Allow me to extend your analogy with even more meaningless drivel: I have discovered pine beetles growing in the bark of some trees and a controlled burn may be necessary to save the rest of the forest. Please, for your own safety, try to avoid the burn area as you enjoy your walk.

Aside from the poetic distraction, you say about me, "you attempt to belittle and grade based on minutiae..." How gracious of you to minimize your own errors! I prefer to call them details and, I am told, attention to detail can mean the difference between success and failure. You, on the other hand, have attempted to belittle and degrade me based on mere prejudice and paranoia.

I wonder how you would react to someone fabricating quotes and attributing them to you in an effort to score points in an argument? Would you call it an innocent, minuscule grammatical mistake or start ranting about libel?

Posted by Mr. K-- on 01/23/2017 at 12:00 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Here's the problem with the liberal ideology...and this is why Donald Trump won the election handily...you attempt to belittle and grade based on minutiae, focusing on the bark of a tree versus the forest. And you gloat that you've just hammered home your bark point and so you pat yourself on the back as the forest burns about you. By all means "Mr K," you won. I'm not qualified to have a grammar argument with you. Good day, sir. I'm going to go for walk in the forest.

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Posted by Joel C. Miller on 01/22/2017 at 3:13 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

One more thing. You insist, Mr. Miller, "I in no way have implied in any way..." Nice redundancy.

"...(and this is a direct quote)..." Excuse me for pausing here, but I have to laugh. Having erroneously implied that quotation marks do not necessarily indicate a direct quotation, you are forced to add this totally unnecessary parenthetical comment to clarify your meaning to your bewildered readers.

"...that I 'have the authority to dictate to the media what they should report and how they should report it!'"

Correct use of quotation marks, Mr. Miller. You get a B. It would have been an A if you had left out the totally unnecessary parenthetical comment.

Now let's examine your claim. First, I feel I must point out the word "authority" has more than one meaning. When I used the word I did not mean "power to influence or command." I meant "an individual cited or appealed to as an expert," as in a professor of biology who is an authority on the mating rituals of mammals. (Definitions cited from [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary…]).

You do presume to criticize the media harshly, which does imply that you consider yourself highly qualified in matters of writing and reporting. I merely pointed out the irony that you yourself are busy violating the most rudimentary rules of reporting even as you presume to lecture your betters.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 01/22/2017 at 3:03 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Mr. Miller consults his crystal ball and tells me, "It appears that you would be fine with the collusion between press and your favored government official..." Apparently being libeled yourself, as you claim, has taught you nothing. I have not stated any opinion about "collusion" one way or another. As I have stated quite clearly, I am against suppression of the press by your favorite government official, Mr. Miller.

If you are truly interested, ask me nicely, and I will tell you my opinion of collusion between press and government officials.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 01/22/2017 at 2:48 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

You write of the press, Mr. Miller, "they have the right to do whatever they want, but shouldn't expect not to be called out when they publish clearly false and deceitful narratives." I do not recall objecting to members of the media being "called out" for publishing lies. I did object to them being "slapped down" if they don't "behave."

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 01/22/2017 at 2:34 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

You claim, Mr.Miller, "I feel well-qualified to repudiate your expectation that the press should get a pass when they lie and deceive..." Exactly where did I write anything even remotely resembling that? What I actually wrote was that you should not get a pass when you appear to lie and deceive.

You continue, "I falsely assumed (and apologize for making such assumption) it would have been quite obvious to anyone who read the article that I was not intending a direct quote..." Then why did you put it between quotation marks? "However, my punctuation implied it..." The quotation marks "implied" that your words were "not" intended to be taken as a direct quote?

As I was trying to point out in my previous post, you seem to know nothing about the rudiments of grammar, but that has not stopped you from criticizing people whose business is writing. It has not even slowed you down.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 01/22/2017 at 1:29 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Absolutely and categorically wrong: I would defend to the death against censorship of the press--that's embedded in the Constitution which is the basis of the Oath of Office for any uniformed member of the military. However, having been on the receiving end of dozens of libelous smears and lies in the local media [Pam was always fair and honest even if we don't share the same political views on many issues.], I feel well-qualified to repudiate your expectation that the press should get a pass when they lie and deceive to support the side they've not so subtly chosen. Accountability is necessary for both the government and for the press who has the sacred responsibility for integrity in holding the government accountable--not in political grandstanding or pushing a narrative.

Also, I falsely assumed (and apologize for making such assumption) it would have been quite obvious to anyone who read the article that I was not intending a direct quote, but rather the implied message from their proclamation. However, my punctuation implied it and I will be happy to insert "the implied message in the text of their threat was to "shape up..." because that is clearly the message they put out--though theirs was longer.

Here is the DIRECT quote: "But while you have every right to decide your ground rules for engaging with the press, we have some, too. It is, after all, our airtime and column inches that you are seeking to influence. We, not you, decide how best to serve our readers, listeners, and viewers. So think of what follows as a backgrounder on what to expect from us over the next four years."

It's the First Amendment--they have the right to do whatever they want, but shouldn't expect not to be called out when they publish clearly false and deceitful narratives. I in no way have implied in any way (and this is a direct quote) that I "have the authority to dictate to the media what they should report and how they should report it!" I am certainly hopeful they would have integrity in what they do and, just as I would expect the same from the government for a lack of integrity, they should expect to be held accountable when they are deliberately deceitful to produce a narrative (kind of like the Time Magazine reporter who was so eager to falsely report on the removal of MLK bust from the Oval office, followed by numerous retweets from other outlets). It appears that you would be fine with the collusion between press and your favored government official/candidate a la the collusion between the Clinton Campaign and debate moderators and editors who allowed the final word to be given by the campaign and agreed to to cover issues in a favorable way.

It is understandable the frustration felt by an industry whose peddling of a narrative is finally now receiving the level of trust it deserves--the lowest in history. They did it to themselves. The main-stream media is no longer trusted as the gatekeeper of the truth.

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Posted by Joel C. Miller on 01/21/2017 at 11:20 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

According to you, Mr. Miller, "the Columbua [sic] Journalism group cited in this article made an unveiled direct threat to 'shape up or we'll fill our airtime and column space with revenge because you're mean.'"

You are pretending to quote the Columbia Journalism group, but a search of the article shows that they never use the word "revenge" at all, not even once. So, you make up false quotes and attribute them to those you oppose, and you think you have the authority to dictate to the media what they should report and how they should report it!--which, by the way, is the very definition of censorship! In fact, your entire post is nothing but a thinly veiled argument in favor of censorship.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 01/21/2017 at 3:35 PM

Re: “'Gap' on I-25 now a 'top priority'

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Posted by Sandy Jake on 01/21/2017 at 3:06 PM

Re: “'Gap' on I-25 now a 'top priority'

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Posted by Sandy Jake on 01/21/2017 at 3:06 PM

Re: “Colorado Springs City Council candidate bags race before it starts

@ ConcernedCitizen, your comment is humorous. You can't win using GoFundMe, and no young person is going to stand up when twits like you say we're "not up to the task."

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Posted by concernedcitizen80906 on 01/21/2017 at 2:24 PM

Re: “Colorado Springs City Council candidate bags race before it starts

Thank you Pam and the Indy.

"The great British newspaper publisher Lord Northcliffe once said: News is what somebody, somewhere wants to suppress; all the rest is advertising.

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Posted by doonya on 01/21/2017 at 9:27 AM

Re: “New citizen watchdog group to push for answers and action on water contamination

Video on the
PFCs in the Widefield Aquifer: https://youtu.be/Zur7J4tgFp4

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Posted by Bill Burns on 01/21/2017 at 8:53 AM

Re: “Colorado Springs City Council candidate bags race before it starts

Ms. Zubeck is very accurate in her reporting what comes from her sources - if this is a true version from Mr. Carlson of what transpired, it is definitely a case of an entity trying to influence an election through intimidation and has the potential of discouraging individuals from running for elected office.

Will any city council members show any initiative in pursuing the validity of this and dig for details?

Hell no.

11 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by Robert Gentry on 01/21/2017 at 8:09 AM

Re: “Colorado Springs City Council candidate bags race before it starts

Town is filled with geldings - no outrage - they just roll over and accept the situation

9 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by Robert Gentry on 01/21/2017 at 5:31 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Really...with the Putin? Why doesn't somebody start talking about the CONTENT of the emails supposedly hacked by Putin's direct orders? I don't care if Osama Bin Laden came back from the dead and released those emails. And frankly, an unclassified server on Hillary's end with a Gmail account on Podesta's end...do you really believe it would take a crackpot KGB hacker to obtain those files? No matter...nobody has refuted them as false and they painted a very clear picture of corruption. The Russians didn't do the corruption in those emails.

Shall we all be buying the fake Russian dossier also pushed by CNN? The emails furthermore painted a systematic receiving of marching orders from the Clinton Campaign for some members of the press who became lapdogs for access versus the watchdogs upon which the republic depends. Why doesn't anyone discuss those media integrity fails? Instead the focus is on who exposed it. By all means dig for the TRUTH. But the Columbua Journalism group cited in this article made an unveiled direct threat to "shape up or we'll fill our airtime and column space with revenge because you're mean." That's not dedication to seeking and publishing the truth, it's political posturing--something the press should not be in the business of doing.

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Posted by Joel C. Miller on 01/21/2017 at 12:48 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

All this twaddle about truth versus transparency is nothing but a smokescreen. The real problem is that Putin's paramour is a pathological liar, and when exposed, he muddies the waters with bogus claims that the media are the ones who are lying. Immediately, his most fanatic followers (the true deplorables) begin campaigns of personal harassment and intimidation against individual reporters. This is naked censorship.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 01/20/2017 at 11:25 PM

Re: “Colorado Springs City Council candidate bags race before it starts

This report is horrifying. Where is the outrage? A unidentified man went to a candidate's personal residence and threatened him?
Call me naive, but I went to bed last night in the land of the free and the home of the brave and woke up after reading this article ...... where?

I thought it was bad enough when a majority of City Council just blithely ignored a clear mandate from its constituents, but that was child's play compared to what is coming from Colorado Springs Forward.

17 likes, 1 dislike
Posted by doonya on 01/20/2017 at 10:28 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Sirs:
You are both saying the same thing - just that one of you is arriving at (what I see as) the truth coming from the east, and one coming to it from the west :)
I'm so tired of the word "transparency". But I don't find "truth" in it's lists of synonyms. If politicians won't provide it (transparency), then reporters must dig for it (truth). At it's best, the press must be tireless, fearless, as well as tiresome and fearsome until the truth is revealed. For these qualities, journalists will be both lauded and decried AT THE SAME TIME. As my dad used to say, "It all depends on whose ox is getting gored."

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Posted by doonya on 01/20/2017 at 10:05 PM

Re: “Colorado Springs City Council candidate bags race before it starts

After it became clear Carlson wasn't CSF's choice, he says, its executive director, Amy Lathen, a former El Paso County commissioner who left her elective post early to take the CSF job, unfriended him on Facebook.

Lathen.

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Posted by Robert Gentry on 01/20/2017 at 6:50 PM

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