The most frivolous rip off in this city is punishing people for using water...by doubling their rates after a certain point. And even if you qualify to use more than allotted, you still pay double the rate, you just don't go to jail if you are granted the permit, but are out on work release to fund city projects.
This is a money grab against the citizens, just like paying for open records...we already pay for records through our taxes. Bach is accumulating money to do projects and sign contracts to help his buddies.
Colorado Springs Utilities are already charging us higher rates to pay for water to be brought in so we can continue uncontrolled growth at the city's far eastern edge, while the space between downtown and powers is street after street of abandoned strip malls and out of code houses. Better policy would be to restore what we have and live within our means...as it is we are looking for every way possible to fund a developer elite.
I not only think but, know based on everyone that I have talked to and that's both sides. Is that these recalls are demanded because both have failed to do what the people have asked them to you! That's support OUR RIGHTS, not take them away or Infringe them! They have forgotten it's "WE THE PEOPLE" not I the Government!
I thought this was an excellent article that gave me insight into the development of Black Forest. I live in the area near 83 and Shoup and love it here. Your interactive map is incredible. Thanks for your hard work!
I don't have any sympathy for the two people who died. WHY? Because the argued with the authorities about leaving. WHY? Because they were too busy stocking up their ammo and arsenal. WHY? Because they made the choice to stay and "doomsday" through it. When they refused to follow orders to leave, they put first responders' lives at risk. No they were/are not unfortunate souls. They made the wrong choice and suffered the consequences. Their choices could have killed many other innocent people.
goldshlager - I take it as a compliment!
Stacy in Woodland Park - I read your posts in the "other" paper and this one. You have to be one of the nastiest, most sarcastic and negative individuals I have come across in a long while. And I'm trying to be kind.
The history of Black Forest as written here is accurate. Not to disrespect the two who died in the fire, the real "tragedy" is that it had to be as disastrous as it was. Simple mitigation could have prevented many of the losses suffered. Any firefighter who risked their life trying to save a home with pine branches hanging over the roof and firewood stacked under the deck will tell you the same "screed."
"You just couldn't get a new gas tap. The gas moratorium completely stifled construction in the city limits," Lowderman says. Completely? Really?
For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. I guess. Sort of.
People could've built new homes in the city with propane or electric heat. Why didn't they?
Why not electric heat? We had a home from the early 1970's with electric heat. Wasn't cheap to heat, but later on we had an electric heat pump system that cost way less to heat.
Remember too that propane is TRIPLE the cost of natural gas for heating. Electric heating is actually a tad cheaper than propane, and electricity rates in COLO SPGS are ~20% cheaper than either Pueblo or Denver electric utility rates. Heat pumps keep getting better too.
I'd prefer to believe that people flocked to BF for reasons other than the heating utility. It's pretty, roomy, quiet, cooler in summer. Throw in a bit of white flight, tax avoidance, snobbery and it became a real land rush.
On the greater issue of fires. Many homes in BF were/are built of combustible materials, have little or no defensible space and poor fire mitigation properties. All of these can be remedied by revising building codes to reflect the realities of living in a wooded area.
The real shame is that our building codes allow us to construct the worst possible dwellings for the locale.
Any attempt to strengthen building codes will incur tremendous opposition from developers, builders and trade groups - especially roofers who make a windfall after every major hail storm but who'll fight to the death to keep allowing the use of cheap shingles when stronger, hail-resistant shingles are available and only add $1-2k more to the cost of roofing/re-roofing.
A friend lost his home to the BF fire; he'll rebuild it but says that this time he'll have a brick home with a metal roof, essentially a fire proof dwelling. Old saying: too late wise.
Right, it wasn't the fact that nobody has logged that area since the 1800's, or the four feet of pine needles, no it was all the houses that caused the fire and thus the damage (you see, if there weren't so many houses, there wouldn't be so much damage). Looks like the Independent has, once again, twisted a tragedy where people died, into some screed to bolster some lame anti-sprawl or anti-developer argument. Why don't you guys just actually go stand on the headstones of those two unfortunate souls with a megaphone?
Good for them...we need a new vision and new energy...the over 70 crowd has simply failed to produce for Colorado Springs, other than for themselves. It is time to put them out to pasture and let the younger set take a shot at it.
PPRLM: good point on children dying during birth. As to your second point: how do you define "pro-lifer"? There has to be some personal responsibility somewhere in the equation. If a woman can't decide in the first 4 or 5 months, to have an abortion, then SHE takes responsibility for the child's life.
TT: I'm sure you know this. Without some compromise, this will continue to be a MAJOR contentious issue into perpetuity.
I know you will say "we won't compromise on a child's life." But, the definition of human life is indeed debatable. For example, a child first feels pain at five months.
Siggie...life begins at conception...so I would not agree with your first trimester abortion proposal.
Here is the larger issue...abortion is an abuse of freedom, it symbolizes the selfish and self interested demand for no constraints, when in fact freedom requires virtue acted out in self restraint.
America will implode on the liberal exercise of unlimited choice without virtuous restraint...not to mentioning murders babies because they present a demand on our freedom to self-indulge.
This is a tough decision but consider the following - many children have died when being born. Thus if you charge a man with murder or killing a baby as in this case BEFORE the child was born, how could you possibly tell if the child would survive the birth process? and I also wonder if these PRO LIFERS would support a child AFTER it was born if they force a woman to deliver her pregnancy?
Herein lies the problem with the debate. No one will define their terms.
Cheryl: Please give us your operational definition of "pro-choice".
TT: You have expressed a fairly realistic view, re: abortion, here as well as in the past, especially considering your religious convictions. However, in order for us to understand your position, you would need to define where "new life" begins.
Cheryl...isn't that the responsibility of the two people who decided to have the sex that produced the baby...all the things you listed for pro-lifers to do?
You can't do something like have sex with its full potential to bring about life, and then change your mind and kill the life you created.
And the creation of such life is not society's responsibility, it is the responsibility of those who decided they wanted adult fun their way...ignoring the husband and wife union that is designed to be responsible for bringing up the children they create and not kill them because they may be inconvenient.
I would be happy for the pro-lifers to take an interest in the children AFTER they are born. Keep them safe from abuse, a life on welfare, etc. Until then I'll stick with pro-choice. I say this as a mom and a grandma.
Yes, it could have been much worse. Yes, it is tragic that life was lost as well as property. Manitou has always had a resourcefulness and resilience as a community. But in the past few days I've heard blame for this event being thrown around from climate change to the forest service. What I have not heard, yet again, is ownership of things that could have been done to lessen the severity of the event. Manitou has had its share of flooding, all one needed to do was look inside the old bottling plant as it sat wallowing for years before it was saved, to see water lines, let alone know the previous history of flooding even before they moved the river. The fire was the icing on the cake for the canyons, highway and the river. The forest service warned of just this type of incident after the fire and yet very few took mitigation measures here or in Mountain Shadows in the aftermath, just as before, it will never happen to me .... As sad as it is, only when tragedy strikes does anyone act. The band aides put on the slopes of 24 are no longer a safety measure and the cement used to contain the river through the area won't hold the water back. Maybe now real measures to prevent this from happening with such force will take place.
Crank...most people would agree with some sort of reasonable set of solutions like you just outlined.
The problem is that liberals take no decision but their own as final...and they hammer away and sue and march in the streets until they get their way.
So, although a reasonable person would say exactly what you are saying about let our elected officials settle this and be done..it won't be done, because Guru and the rest will keep it up our noses until they can do abortions at 50 weeks, when they change their minds about having wanted a baby in the first place.
Siggie essentially spoke for me with those comments.
I prefer a middle ground approach.
For 2nd / 3rd trimester procedures I favor a 3-doctor panel make the call, or, like the recent law in Texas let's cap it at 20 weeks (4.5 months), beyond that the 3-doctor panel makes the call. Extremists on either end of the spectrum will say no; so it's up to serious legislators to do what we elect them to do - make the tough calls, get the job done and then move on.
There are other aspects of the recent Texas law that I do not like, the intent of which is simply to just make it all but impossible to get the procedure at any time.
It's time we put the abortion wars to rest and move on.
We need to reduce the need for abortion by teaching sex ed to young people and how to prevent STDs and unwanted pregnancies. I prefer an approach that also outlines the economic costs of raising children; it ain't all sunshine and roses out there.
It is not a battle between religious/philosophical types and women...the fight is between new life, innocent human beings struggling to live and selfish women who want sex without consequence.
Demanding the right to kill a baby is about inhuman and selfish and disgusting as Sandra Fluke appeared during her moment of fame.
A murderer is a murderer and will face the Lord on judgment day...God forgive these women and welcome their unborn into your kingdom's mercy!
Everyone is entitled to their opinion but for some people they will only be satisfied when they can control the opinions of all who disagree with them by enacting laws which force their opinions on everyone. Then it is no longer about freedom of speech but becomes an infringement on individual freedom. This debate belongs in the philosophical/religious realm and not in the political arena. This is a personal belief and no one has the right to force their beliefs on another. It is not for government to mandate one way or another.
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