Elaine, it looks like your claims of "fraud" have been sufficiently debunked and shot full of holes (no pun intended) by not one, but three educated, informed individuals who chose to research the subject instead of letting blind partisanship guide their thoughts and deeds. Care to explain and/or defend your initial stance at this point?
The other factor that impacts on urban violence is income-disparity. Might it be that income disparity is the true reason why Chicago et al have more violent crime, rather than gun laws being the root-cause?
"What about New York City, Thinker? Huge restrictions on guns, low crime rate"
While figures do indeed fluctuate, the Big Apple, like the urban locales I mentioned previously, is awash in firearms-related violence much greater per capita than areas with less restrictive regulations.
Rodney Hammond, I have to agree with you totally. I have a medical discharge for the Air Force, with a DD214, and sadly do not receive any benefit from it to assist with employment-in an y way. Everytime I seek employment I am asked of I served. I have to say 'yes, but I am not considered due to a medical discharge." I have suffered, and suffered, living here to get ahead because of the vast job market letting vetereans with vets points exceed past me, and it totally sucks. Just once I would love to be allowed employment on that merit alone, so I can have a gainful oppurtunity that would allow me a life of no suffering.
Rich Tosches is clearly a gifted writer - however he wastes his talent by focusing on divisive political issues versus communal city-wide issues.
Do some good Rich - make our city leaders better!
Joe Atencio! You have a little crush on Tosches don't you? I should point out that The Independent is not a "funny" paper and it is not really a newspaper either. The advertisements therein confirm that it is not even independent! Tosches does not tell or write jokes. He writes one joke each week which is called a "column" but it should not be confused with "humor".
Elaine Brush obviously has a derision for The First Amendment as well. Who does she think she is to tell another person that their comment "went over the line"? Her complete lack of knowledge is indicative of the proliferation of stupidity and ignorance. A recall election is how this system is supposed to work and once again the Socialists feathers are showing as she bemoans the recalled acting on their own agenda not their constituents as being the right way. Could you be little bit more wrong Ms Brush? Yes! The expression commonly said is "An armed society is a polite society". Anti-Bill of Rights people show that they have no compunction about being impolite. All the Elaine Brush' are free to leave and settle in a country that suits them but none are free to take anyone else' Rights away. A random act by a lunatic does not make gun owners guilty of anything. Mind and tend to your own as a lunatic's family should have done and then the problems are handled before they become tragedies. Nobody else, not even police will ever protect you Ms. Brush and that is the simple fact so many of your kind fail to grasp. By the way, the use of firearms in self-defense occurs every single day in America far out-numbering the illegal use. Do some research please. Using a firearm in self-defense is the second to last thing anyone wants to do, dying being the last thing.
What about New York City, Thinker? Huge restrictions on guns, low crime rate.
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Elaine, cities with extreme firearms restrictions (Chicago, Detroit, D.C.) also have lopsided incidences of gun violence, proving that making an item essentially illegal to possess doesn't have any tangible benefit and that "feel good/do nothing" legislation will never make a positive impact toward reducing the figures.
Besides sophistic reasoning, another common way opponents of equal-rights argue against equal-rights is through the use of the non-sequitur - a seemingly logical statement that equates two things that have absolutely no connection.
The cab driver certainly can refuse rides...but the couple would not be asking him to participate in a religious ceremony that directly violated his own religious belief.
If they asked him to witness their marriage, that would be another story.
By your logic, if the photographer asked them not to get married because he didn't believe in same sex marriage, they should honor his request and not get married at all...the cake slices a couple of ways sweet heart.
"...mandated to buy health insurance are not complaining about having to pay for homeowner's insurance, auto insurance, etc."
The government does not require mortgage insurance, home owner insurance, or any other property insurance. The mortgager does as a condition of a loan. If you pay cash, you have the freedom to be stupid and not insure your investment.
You are not required to carry comprehensive insurance on your car. The finance company requires it as a condition of the loan. If your house or vehicle is owned outright, you do not have to insure it.
Liability insurance IS required to insure that one person's stupid or negligent act is at least somewhat covered. Yet, how many people are not responsible enough to carry liability insurance?
Obamacare is an ill conceived, government mandated intrusion in to my life. I have provided for my family's healthcare, and they now provide for themselves.
It's called personal responsibility.
I will listen harder to the "If you don't live here..." sentiments on the day that PARMMS shuns comments from those on the page that don't live in Manitou :) Till then -- can't we all just behave like adults with different opinions?
Renee, No incidents of ground water contamination? Really? Go to http://cogcc.state.co.us/. Click on database from the menu on the right side. A menu pops up and you will want to choose the Inspection/Incident link one up from the bottom. A menu pops up but all you have to do is pick spills/releases at the very top and then change limit searches from 10 to 100. I haven't checked in a bit so I'll look real quick too. There have been 100 spills/releases since 10/1/13. It appears that there have been 10 groundwater contaminations and 16 resulting in surface water being contaminated. This is per the industries reporting. Most of these spills are 'historic' meaning that they are leaks discovered by workers usually coming from a tank battery. There is no way to know how long oil has been leaking or how much impact it has had. The impacted soil is either back filled or taken to a local dump, untreated. Does this seem environmentally sound to you?
And just in case it wasn't clear in this short paragraph this was from earlier in his speech regarding his 'shut up and get out of the way' quote.
At the same time, I did vote for an advisory vote. And you know what? I would still love to have a vote, you know, and let everybody come together, let the committees form on both sides of the issue and just have a big, old vote on it. But you know what? I made that argument on Aug. 20 and it got voted down. And I do believe in representative democracy — you know, I’ve sent this email out to a lot of people: Don’t expect me to, after fighting as hard as I can for something and then losing it, I’m not gonna then try and pull an end-around on the rest of the council. I have too much love and respect for my peers up here on council to then decide that, ‘Well, I’m not happy with their decision.’ You know, the hardest part of being on a council is being able to accept when you’re on the losing end of a vote, and I only see two options: You can either find a way to get behind the majority, or you can shut up and get out of the way. [Applause break]
To Kari Kilroy,
Please don't misquote the Mayor. These were his exact words and were not aimed at YOU or the citizens of Manitou but at himself.
"All right, so, what I hear tonight is we have a majority of councilors who are ready to move forward with this. And, like I said, you can either shut up and get out of the way, or find a way to get behind it. And I feel like if we’re going to be moving forward with this than it’s time to do it right."
In fact it was members of PARMMS who yelled at citizens from the surrounding community that they shouldn't get a say if they don't live here, even though some of those speakers helped write A-64 or will be implementing the regulations and have specific knowledge of it. One of your members even wrote 'If you don't live here SHUT up" in comments on-line. That isn't exactly the welcoming family friendly tourist attitude you have said you want to promote. Living in a small town which relies heavily on its surrounding community to thrive means also listening to what those who visit here and/or work here (and pay sales taxes, parking etc....) also want.
First off I dont know of anyone from Canada coming here for health care (show me proof) if they have the money to chase health care they go to another country that gives them the drugs they cant get here or there own country ask Limbaugh. Second if you decide not to get insurance go ahead and pay the fine but dont whine when you get sick and lose everything you worked your life for and leave your loved ones broke because you have to pay those hospitals to keep you from dying a horrible death. Last why should any citizen leave to find a place there safe whats wrong with working to make our home a better place? Is that not what our founding fathers did?
happyfew, could you please provide a link detailing the dates, locations and specific amount(s) "spilled" that you've referred to here?
Clara, your abhorrence is as misplaced as your faux-indignation.
Long waits for health care? Thats the excuse from those that dont like the fact that its one of the many things no one can live without. Well let me ask you. Have you done without health care insurance? Talk about waiting. Have you been dropped? Talk about waiting. Have you paid into a program then told it dont cover a needed procedure? Talk about waiting. Welcome to my world. Paid the insurance company for 14 years only to find out they wouldnt cover a heart attack because they the insurance company decided it was caused from some cancer treatment 25 years before. They knew about that cancer when I applied but took my money anyway and not only dropped me but my wife was dropped as well. Yea waiting is a real bitch but guess what not getting is even worse.
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