Kerri, Bill W and all the others who posted or liked our threads, thank you! I have been doing this in hostile forums for over 20 years now, and the most positive thing it does is generate more conversation about issues that affect all of us. I will be writing a letter soon that will address the sorry state of affairs locally, statewide and nationally that has been spawned by the Newt Gingrich GOPAC handbook on how to cast your opponent in the worst light possible without actually having any proof. The American voter is being conned mightily by the likes of Frank Luntz and Karl Rove (pay attention, all you evangelicals - Karl Rove laughed at you when he got W elected in part with your support - the rest of it was a crooked Secretary of State in Florida who instituted a voter purge that was "far too broad and would yield thousands of false positives" according to the private company who performed the study...she should have been the Ambassador to Chad).
There is much afoot in the way of shenanigans - another huge, indiscriminate voter purge targeting minorities that is a carbon copy of the 2000 Florida purge that drew scrutiny from the Federal Election Commission, NAACP, ACLU and numerous other groups and individuals. It should be arrested and eliminated immediately. Why is it that Democrats want more people to vote and why do Republicans want fewer...and voters that are more influenced by sound bites and the tripe fed them by the devious few.
Thanks...for several reasons, in order of importance below:
1. Thanks for your military service. Much appreciated...and respected.
2. Thanks for entering the fray and not being intimidated by the usual suspects.
3. Thanks for your post military service to our country. You're obviously a very successful entrepreneur, and one of those that your detractors always claim to favor.
Please keep posting...
Liberty for all and Staci in WP:
Just curious. I highly doubt you would have a problem with MSNBC playing in government offices, right? Since you have no problem with Fox, you couldn't possibly object to other viewpoints...
Here are emails exchanged with Wayne Williams in 2014 regarding the FOX news station playing at the DMV.
I spent a bit of time at the DMV on Powers today and want to say your staff was extremely helpful and got me through very quickly. I was a bit surprised though that FOX news was on the TV. I am so offended by their raciest and anti-gay agenda not to mention how much they hate the President of The United States. Perhaps you could find something else that would be more inclusive to all of your customers.
Thank you for your time,
Thanks for contacting me.
First, thank you for your comments on our staff and service. I very much appreciate your input and am proud of the service we provide.
With respect to the broadcast selection, all networks have their fans and detractors. Our branch offices have the technology capacity for displaying only one news broadcast. We have made the selection of the network based on which network is the most popular. Throughout the time I have been Clerk, this has been Fox News. See http://www.deadline.com/2014/01/fnc-extend…. As noted in the report, Fox’s viewership is significant larger than any of the other news networks. Since each of the networks has both proponents and detractors, making the decision in a democratic fashion seems appropriate.
On the other hand, our main office on Garden of the Gods has the capacity for more than one network, so CNN typically is shown there as well. If the network shown on the television monitor is a factor in which office you choose to use, the main office is located 1675 W Garden of the Gods Road, 80907.
Thanks again for contacting me.
Wayne W. Williams
El Paso County Clerk & Recorder
From: Cheryl Barry [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 3:14 PM
To: Wayne Williams
Subject: DMV on Powers
Thank you so much for getting back to me. I do understand your reasoning but I wonder where it is most popular? Nationally? In the deep south? State wide? I guarantee that if you surveyed my neighborhood it would not be. Just because it is most popular does not mean it is fitting for a public, government office that thousands of people have to visit weather they want to or not. My friends and I pay the same taxes, we pay the same amount for our licenses and registrations and we should not be forced to watch something we find so offensive and slanted. I am not asking for MSNBC which I do realize people on the other side would be offended by but CNN does seem to be a good middle ground. It is on in every airport in the world. But why news? The Wells Fargo bank that I used to go to in Denver always had HGTV on and people enjoyed watching it while waiting in line. I have also seen a cooking network somewhere that seemed appropriate.
I sure hope you will give this some consideration. I should not have to choose which DMV I have to go to based on which will offend me the least.
oblio, I wonder how your rant against combat veterans will play with other Vietnam vets who did what their country asked only to learn it was a mistake. We all hurt in one way or another, but hearing it from you doesn't accomplish anything except making us angry at those who were "too smart" to go. I have friends and acquaintances like that, and they know better than to take that tack with me. They hid under the bed and cried like little babies, or soiled themselves on the way to the draft physical like Ted Nugent.
BTW, oblio - please point out the cliches...I must have missed them in my edit!
Kerri - Thanks for starting this thread and bringing all the rats out of the woodwork. I sent you a friend request and would be honored if you accepted. You are spot on abut bias in El Paso County! And it looks like there aren't as many as I suspected...judging by the like vs. dislikes on this forum. Thanks to obliosuperstud some of them even want to be disrespectful of the very men and women who help maintain his right to be a jackass.
obliosupercat, you sound just like all the rest of the elitist draft dodgers I've met...including Dick Cheney, W, Paul Wolfowitz and the rest of the academic neocons. Hindsight is 20-20.Had you gotten drafted out of a family that has military history preceding the Revolutionary War what would you have done? At 18 we are all vulnerable, and the big build-up happened right after I graduated from high school. Where were you when that war was being waged? And how did you respond to Afghanistan and Iraq? Have you served your country? Did you protest any of those wars? I didn't want to go to Vietnam, but I did. The experience changed me profoundly and I protested that war and all of those to follow vehemently, just as I protest Faux propaganda in public venues.
As for killing innocent women and children I can safely say that in my year with the most decorated artillery unit in the theater we only had one accident, due to a coordinate error called in by a Vietnamese team. I got to go count the bodies of the elderly, women and children to make sure they weren't filling body bags with rocks and animals to receive reparations. The bags had been in the sun for two days, and there were what was left of those people inside. I asked HQ what the reparations amounted to, and was told we paid 3400 piastres per "mistake" - that's $34.00 a head. I was red white and blue before I went, and vehemently anti-war when I returned, to include protesting at the White House by pitching my medals over the fence with John Kerry and the rest. It was a useless, needless war, and 20000 more US troops died unnecessarily so that Nixon could get the same deal he could have had when he was elected in 1968. Were you engaged in that protest? Did you vote for Nixon? Could you even vote at all? It seems you're the one. I've been published in newspapers around the country, usually as the progressive foil to your regressive rants, from "protect the flag" to the to ally useless war in Iraq (just to keep the record straight I was all for going after Bin Laden and his thugs, but not the way we went about it.)
Agent Orange hasn't gotten me yet, and I daresay that if all you do is sit around and make comments on this forum you probably aren't as fit as I am, and I'm 70 years old. I have been involved in moving us away from a fossil fuel economy for 40 years, hold several patents, and usually don't have the time of day for feeble-minded folks like you, but I'll make an exception this time. Glad I can get under your skin!
I still work, I have a $1B renewable energy project moving toward construction, I raise grapes and apples and make my own wine, I cycle and ski and fish and prospect and still climb 14er's. What do you do? Besides sit on your butt and criticize disabled veterans who actually try to change the paradigm...
vietnamized. I did read the Columbia report. Everyone knows fox news is biased; also read your complaint which was not about political propaganda, but, about which propaganda you prefer. All television news is propaganda. The same propaganda that sent you to Vietnam. Of course you could of done some research, and made a choice not to go kill innocent women and children. Looks like you swung and missed when it really counted. Since you like to keep score how's it feel to be one of the sheeple who facilitated an unjust war? Big difference between fighting the power in an internet forum, and, standing up in real life. Agent Orange 1, you 0!
The part of this discourse that is most important to me, is the reality that we seem to have a partisan clerk and recorder, Chuck Broerman, who happens to be deeply entrenched in the same doctrine that was being promoted by Fox News on ALL (7 I believe) monitors in the citizens center waiting area. This is where all citizens of El Paso County MUST go to get licensing for Motor Vehicle, Driver's License, Recording, Marriage/Civil Union Licenses, and ELECTION SERVICES!!!
Further more, and I quote: “The primary purpose of our office is to serve the citizens of El Paso County and ensure their democratic right to vote is unencumbered,” said Clerk and Recorder Chuck Broerman." This is directly from the County website.
If this fact troubles anyone else, please be sure to contact Mr. Broerman; or better yet one of your County Commissioners, The Colorado Attorney General, or anyone else on the list who should be accountable and aware.... Here is the link for contact and background info on all of our elected officials:
Voter Registration Submittals:
Clerk & Recorder
Obliosupercat, you crack me up! First you shoot off a snarky reply to what was a legitimate complaint about political propaganda in a public facility and then you attempt to diss me for giving you some red meat to go research. Nice try, kid, but you swung and missed. Try researching the Columbia School of Journalism's study for starters. As far as my rhetoric and feeble attempts at wit...I got 4 likes to 2 dislikes and you got 5 dislikes to 2 likes. I like keeping score!
Vietnamized. All television news is propaganda! Ever think of taking a book to the DMV? Maybe something on how to compose a rhetorical argument that does not reek of cliché and feeble attempts at wit.
Gosh - I must be gettin' old! Since I'm new to this forum I guess you guys are going easy on me, heh, heh. Your mistake! I've have been made to suffer the indignation of watching Faux (s)Nooz(e) for, well, as long as that Roger Ailes inspired misinformation channel burst into the scene. About a decade ago the Columbia University School of Journalism (it's in Liberal New York City,for those of you who might not know, and is perhaps the finest school of journalism anywhere) did a survey of the journalism vs. opinion content of the three major cable news networks (liberal or reactionary, we all know who they are) and found some surprising (to them maybe) stats - MSNBC and CNN came in in the mid-70% range for Journalism (70%+ for both of them and somewhere in the mid-high 20% range for Opinion (yea Journalism!) and Faux Journalism in the mid-30%...(and that was generous!). For the math-challenged of you out there in lala conservative land that's in the high 60% range for Opinion. So, LibertyForAll, Stacy, Obliosupercat - you apparently would rather be fed the pap that you like than have to actually apply what obviously might be the very last bit of gray matter you possess to check some of this BS out. Sounds easy enough - why don't you give it a shot?
I have been subjected to watching Faux (s)nooz(e) in more emergency rooms than I would like to count, at the VA clinic, in public places, doctor's and dentists offices, ad infinitum. It must be the soothing nature of the subliminal hummmm that keeps me from stroking out in any of those places for various reasons, because it sure ain't the quality of the journalism. yellow hatchet media, at very best. My feeling aren't hurt by it so much as I fear for the lack of attempt at any meaningful discourse about absolutely anything that matters.
Oh, also for you reality/education challenged folks - Journalism and journalists have long taken the stance that they are here as the Fourth Estate to keep tabs on everyone else and let us all know what's actually happening. Obviously that has changed during the passing of time, but I think it's still a necessary element of an informed democracy and needs to be as unbiased as possible. Hmmm - good luck with that!
Angry political rant diversions aside...Chuck Broerman was elected to serve the public good. That does not include using his position, even in little ways, to further his personal political agenda. He owes it to the public he serves to conduct himself in a way that is beyond reproach. But he has a history of breaking the rules in the name of politics (Google "Chuck Broerman breaks parking-meter rules to promote candidates" or “Chuck Broerman not above board”). And so we elected Chuck Broerman to a position of trust to care for our very important public records? What other ways is he cheating the public? Fool us once, shame on Chuck. Fool us twice, shame on us.
And just a little advice Chuck, if you are listening. You probably did the selfish political calculation and decided that force-feeding Republican spew to the public you serve in your role as Clerk and Recorder would score you points with people like the rant posters in this thread, but I personally think your long-term future is looking bleak if those are the voters that you expect to keep you employed. The electorate is changing (even in Colorado Springs!) and most Americans want government that serves EVERYONE, not just a privileged, selfish, angry few. Good luck my friend, because I think you are going to need it.
"The television hurt my feelings..... Someone needs to be held accountable!!!!! I'm calling the ACLU, they'll understand that the world revolves around me!!!!!"
Poor Kerri, and the rest of the liberal lunkheads that actually consider one televison channel's programming "propaganda"--based upon their criteria--but conveniently ignore how biased/partisan, MSNBC, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, the Miami Herald, The HuffPo, the WaPo, the Atlantic, Vanity, etc. are in trotting out that old regressive jive!
If Fox was at the bottom, no one would care, but since they crush the ratings, libs gotta throw a fit. It's hilarious: Fox tries to be "balanced" and libs try to act like they'll be intelligent and open to compromise: a classic "Lose/Lose" scenario!
"Propaganda". Such a silly, hypocritical term coming from a single-digit IQ regressive and her "followers".
The television hurt my feelings..... Someone needs to be held accountable!!!!! I'm calling the ACLU, they'll understand that the world revolves around me!!!!!
Stacy in Woodland Park - just because you can't smell your own stink doesn't mean the rest of us should have to put up with it. Politically-charged partisan drivel such as Fox News (or from any other political persuasion) should not be a part of our public services, ESPECIALLY in places where we vote, as the OP pointed out. And what is most concerning is that Chuck Broerman the County Clerk and Recorder, the one who has dictated to his employees that only his propaganda can be played on the television sets in the County Recorder's Office, has a record of such abuse (Google "Chuck Broerman Nabbed in Parking Scheme"). We all need to keep an eye on Chuck, as it looks like his priority is to serve his party, and not the general public. OP Kerri, don't hold your breath for your promised phone call from Chuck, because I'll bet that he is a coward when it comes to dealing with people not directly under his thumb. We need to make sure this guy doesn't get another chance in the henhouse, and the best way to do that is through the ballot box.
So..... My complaint is not about WHICH political propaganda was being fed to citizens from El Paso County Citizen's Center, it is THAT political propaganda was being fed... If it is "stupid" to expect that our governmental agencies abide by the Constitutional Protections that our country is based upon, call me "stupid"... I prefer "stubborn and unafraid to speak up".... Is it so difficult to understand that a public service agency should not promote ANY political agendas? That our form of government (by Constitutional definition) expressly prohibits such behavior? Would "Staci in Woodland Park" feel the same if it was MSNBC, CNN or Al Jazeera that was playing at the DMV? I would....
OMG Kerri Oliver that is the most ridiculous and stupid complaint I have EVER heard. You are not a critical thinker. You cannot handle any opinion that crosses your own little worldview. You cannot even bear the thought that somebody might, just might, not agree with your point of view. Go home, turn on MSNBC and cower in your little safe space. For a group of people that supposedly have "open" minds you are amazingly myopic. Try listening to those that don't agree with you sometime, you just might learn something.
Kerri O: A little research on Chuck Broerman the County Clerk and Recorder reveals that his putting politics ahead of democracy and the public good is not a new MO for Chuck. In 2002 he found himself in hot water when he violated parking laws to interfere with a voting place. See this link:
Amazing that this behavior hasn't caught up with Chuck yet - seems like we have elected a fox to guard the hen house. Shame on us Colorado Springs!
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