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Kyle, one other thought after I posted my last ...again, long response, sorry about that.
Tulsi Gabbard, whom I love, has strong native Samoan blood lines.
There are other Native people running down ballot.
Let's support them.
They had it right, it was the white man, wacicu that screwed things up. Let's put our government back in their hands.
Don't give up on being a liberal or progressive, we need folks like you to help right the ship..so to speak.
Just a though my friend. :)
I can totally relate to what you are saying. I don't think there was anything you wrote that I would disagree with.
I was a "berner" for the reasons you wrote.
I agree with the use of taxes, our means of giving back and what I really liked is you didn't seem to have an issue with using taxes to help lift Americans out of poverty, to help give all Americans good health care. I had read that the dental health of middle class Americans is equivalent to third world nations. If someone questions that, I will look that up to get some references.
Those uses are what seems to give conservatives so much heart burn. Calling it a "nanny state', or takers vs. makers.
I would love to see less money going to the military, I think we spend more than enough. Stop paying for regime changes and nation building and into the hands of middle class Americans.
I think we are in agreement.
I don't love Hillary, neither do I dislike her. :) I have a lot of issues with Hillary. I do dislike Trump.
Like it or not, one of those two will be leading this nation for at least the next 4 years. Trump frightens me much more than Hillary.
Lesser of two evils....sure.
It would be nice to change our system to where 3rd or more party candidates would have a real chance of a real run in this country. But we are still in a place where 3rd or more party candidates will give the election to either the Republican or Democratic candidate. That's the problem with voting for one of them.
I don't think Dr. Stein is really qualified to run a country like this, I like what she says, but some I think is simply impractical at this point in time.
I will never vote for a libertarian, as in my opinion, they don't like "community". They want to be left alone to take of themselves and the rest of us to fend for ourselves. Obviously, from my last post, that is a problem for me. I believe in community.
I don't mind calling myself a liberal or progressive. I am an independent as far a political parties go, being a Vermonter, it is implicit to be an Independent as we don't affiliate to a party, because they don't ask.
The other reason I would vote for Hillary, is we still have the Bern! He is not going anywhere and is going to be very involved now with transforming the Democratic party. He has already made a huge difference in the platform and with some of Hillary's positions. She has moved a bit to the left on some issues thanks to the Berne.
To move this country more to where you would like to see it go, support the Revolution, support candidates like Tulsi Gabbard and other more progressive folks down ballot and it will help to continue to move Hillary to the left, ones who will push back on her more hawkish tendencies and less into building bombs and nations
Who knows what we would get with Trump. It scares the crap out of me and makes me feel good I am less than two hours from Canada. Just in case.
I think you rock, Kyle.
Stay involved, work with the revolution, the revolution needs you and I believe even with Hillary in the white house, we can move in the direction you and I would like to go. I don't think we have that hope with Trump.
Pilamaya Yelo my friend....Mitakue Oyasin.
I appreciated your writing, and would specifically like to comment on your discussion of taxes and paying them in the spirit of 'giving back'. I agree with this sentiment. However, I do think that we no longer have the representation I grew up believing we had. I think now is the time to ask how patriotic a German citizen in 1936 may have felt, paying taxes and joining the military to serve his country.
I agree with your Lakota friends in their assessment of white culture. I think by paying taxes now, we are simply paying taxes to the Wakiku God.
I have no problem with paying taxes for healthcare, roads, housing assistance, etc. I really, really have a tough time paying taxes to bomb innocent people in countries for our own economic advantage. Considering that we apparently have made no progress in actually properly providing healthcare, or maintaining or infrastructure, or teaching our youth, and this despite the overwhelming desire of our populace to do such things, tells me something is wrong. The fact that we've made incredible progress in bombing babies in other countries tells me something is really wrong! Of all the things we agree on, we agree we shouldn't just haphazardly bomb kids and families in other countries. But that seems to be what we are best at.
Topping it off, Liberals now are saying we have to vote for the candidate who has over and over again proven herself corrupt, and who defined her career as a Secretary of State with the toppling of Libya, which at the time had one of the highest standards of living of any African country. O yeah, she also is desperately trying to get into Syria, and a quick search of her emails on Wikileaks will show why. She's wanted to since 2001- in order to destabilize Iran and strengthen Israels regional position. O, and she also denies Palestinian attempts at statehood.
Wonderful liberal candidate. I am having an easier time departing from the democratic party now though, and even the label of "liberal", which have both seemed to equate themselves with normalizing world atrocities.
That's a tangent from paying taxes, but literally, how I am having an increasingly difficult time paying taxes which go to depleted uranium rounds to salt the earth of Libya, Yemen, Sudan, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Palestine, Syria, etc. -
Can anyone relate to that?
I find your stereotyping of me, being a progressive, somewhat insulting and quite inaccurate.
I have worked hard for everything I have. I have worked hard my whole life. The state is not my provider, nor is it my all knowing deity. I rely on myself and I think for myself. You and I are no different in that aspect.
As far as stealing, which I believe is your alias to paying taxes.
The Lakota, beautiful wise people, whom I was so blessed to meet and learn from when I lived in your neck of the woods, called the white man "wacicu". Wacicu, very loosely interpreted, means one who does not give back. They took and they took, but they didn't give back. The Lakota noticed that when they observed the white man slaughtering buffalo and leaving the full dead carcasses to rot, among other actions where the white man took and took and took from our Earth Mother.
I consider paying taxes as a way of giving back to our country and our people for what I have received living here. So, I sign my tax document with gladness to be able to give back. My opinion, those of you who hate to pay taxes are still wacicu, you still have not learned the concept of giving back.
I realize the greater debate is are we paying too much. However, there are many wealthy individuals and corporations in this country who pay nothing or close to nothing in taxes. Until Mr. Trump, the Republican nominee shows us his tax forms, I will assume he is very much a wacicu.
Are you still living as a wacicu Tannim? Do you feel a gladness to give back to help others in this country that has given you the opportunities you have had?
The native people had a strong feeling of community. They could not rejoice if others in their community were hurting, they took care of each other.
Because of this strong sense of community Tannim, the U.S. government took on the mindset to "save the child, they must kill the indian". Their first step was to kill this strong sense of community and instil the mindset to look after themselves and let others take care of themselves. This sounds very familiar to current Republican mindset.
As far as Eminent Domain is concerned, what you are referring to as coveting, that's a difficult concept for me. I have mixed feelings, because I believe in community, I am willing to give for the common good.
I think if it is right or wrong, depends on a case by case basis. Giving up your property for some corporation...hell no! I will stand beside you to protest that.
However, if it can be shown that it is indeed for the common good, I don't necessarily oppose that. But for those who do give for the common good should be compensated in a very satisfactory manner. They have given back and they need to be rewarded for such an act of love for our community.
As far as murder goes and a police state, I won't argue with that at all. I am with you, we need to overhaul our law enforcement. There was a time in my life, I am 61 years old, it was very uncommon for an officer to take a life and when they did it was a very traumatic event and many officers could not get over that trauma and left the force.
It seems nowadays an officer may have taken many lives and it doesn't seem to bother or affect them at all, they can strangle a man to death on video and walk away feeling good and proud. I find that alarming and frightening.
Having said all of this Tannim, I want to thank you for your very respectful debate. I believe your were the one I told a while back that name calling is beneath you. You and I have never met, I just knew you were better than that and you have shown me I was correct.
Pilamaya Yelo (thank you) and Mitakue Oyasin ( we are all related, or all one), we can take this concept one step further, left leaning or right leaning, Pagan or Christian, we are all American's.
I would love Tannim to be able to call you "kola"....My Friend.
To the left, their god is not Jehovah but Big Brother and Big Nanny, they worship the state as their provider and all-knowing deity, and then rely on it for all in the same way that the theocrats on the right do. Yes, statism is a religion that tells people that it's OK to steal, covet, and murder for the greater good. That's what taxation, eminent domain, and the police state are all about.
I am a progressive pagan and I would be ok having the AHA pay taxes along with all religious organizations, churches, political non-profits and any other organizations that brings in an income.
I do disagree that I want to replace God with Government. To me they are separate entities that have differing functions, and it is completely illogical to an atheist. How can an atheist replace God with Government, to them God does not exist. So, there is nothing to replace.
...and this comment that progressivism is "A religion that tells people it's ok to steal, covert, and murder for the greater good." I don't even know how to make sense out of that, but if the source is Steve Deace, well that explains it, and not even worth debating.
Unless they are involved in Progressive Politics longtooth. Right??? Will the American Humanist Association start paying taxes??? I doubt it cause they carry the water for the Progressive agenda as well. Progressive is not just poltical ideals, its also a Religion. A religion that tells people its ok to steal, covert, and murder for the greater good.
"We need to realize progressivism isn't a political ideology. It is a cult. A heresy that seeks to replace the church with its own religion. Replacing God with government. You can't defeat a heresy with a political party. Especially when the leaders of both parties are adherents to it to varying degrees. Only the church is capable to defeat a heresy. Progressivism is the heresy of this age."-Steve Deace
Dave Beckwith: While you are correct about conflating the two pieces, Amendment 69 is not the solution. In simple terms, Colorado can't afford it. Health begins with the individual, not the state and not the insurance companies.
Larimore Nicholl: What makes you think she isn't?
Bob Kinsey: Channeling Adam Smith, champion of the free market, to call for the election of the watermelon Greens, who never met a free market they didn't hate, is disingenuous and completely ridiculous. They aren't another choice, unless one wants Hillary and Trump on steroids instead of simple common sense. That's yet another reason why the only sane and rational choice is to vote for your freedom and vote Libertarian.
Sally Alberts: The Hillarbillies are no better. Yes, America has gone mad. And you can blame both Democrats and Republicans for it, because they both are guilty of causing it and continuing it.
Jerry Fallwell Jr. and the rest of you churches involved in our politics I have one thing to say to you: PAY YOUR TAXES!
In response to LibertyForAll, hoping he can respond in an adult like manner.
I will respond to one comment from his last group of posts.
My first response to him was to correct him on his comment:
"Janet forgets/ignores the fact that the Dems held majorities in both chambers for much of BO's terms, and thus, did the most blocking of either party."
That's was just simply false...incorrect.
My response was to correct him that president Obama only had a democratic majority in both houses for 25% of his 8 year term, and one of his accomplishments during that short 2 year span, was to get us out of our financial freefall and begin a recovery.
This was his response to that:
"Hey "Mick", your math is about as faulty as it gets, because annualized growth under BO is pathetic, we've suffered through the first down-grading of our global credit rating ever, and the federal debt has ballooned to $19T+."
The math I was talking about was the 25% of his term, very easy to see if you read my post.
I was stating what I believe to be a fact and that is that the worst economic collapse any of us have ever experienced in our lifetime was turned around into a recovery in June of 2008.
I also noted, it was a slow recovery, I won't deny that.
All I was saying was in his second quarter ( I said third, I was wrong, it was his second quarter), with a democratic congress, he was able to turn this collapse to a recovery. That is always the first step and it was accomplished.
I also said this:
"yes, it was a slow recovery, but the recovery had started.", so I fully agree the recovery and growth was slow, but it was both a recovery and growth, compared to the free fall we were in.
And just an aside point to LibertyForAll's last response to this, to blame the down grading on President Obama is quite suspect.
It would be very easy to say, the reason for the downgrade was due to the Republican's rather ignorant threat to not increase the debt ceiling and threaten the U.S. to default on its loans.
There were a lot of Republicans who were saying that defaulting on our debts was not such a big deal....I beg to differ and so did Standard and Poor's.
I have said this before and I will say it again.
Read those responses from LibertyForAll and see, feel the venom, the anger that this man unleashes when someone disagrees with him.
The personal name calling, labeling and insults.
The anger he emits is very disturbing and quite concerning as this man most likely has a rack full of guns.
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