I will listen harder to the "If you don't live here..." sentiments on the day that PARMMS shuns comments from those on the page that don't live in Manitou :) Till then -- can't we all just behave like adults with different opinions?
Renee, No incidents of ground water contamination? Really? Go to http://cogcc.state.co.us/. Click on database from the menu on the right side. A menu pops up and you will want to choose the Inspection/Incident link one up from the bottom. A menu pops up but all you have to do is pick spills/releases at the very top and then change limit searches from 10 to 100. I haven't checked in a bit so I'll look real quick too. There have been 100 spills/releases since 10/1/13. It appears that there have been 10 groundwater contaminations and 16 resulting in surface water being contaminated. This is per the industries reporting. Most of these spills are 'historic' meaning that they are leaks discovered by workers usually coming from a tank battery. There is no way to know how long oil has been leaking or how much impact it has had. The impacted soil is either back filled or taken to a local dump, untreated. Does this seem environmentally sound to you?
And just in case it wasn't clear in this short paragraph this was from earlier in his speech regarding his 'shut up and get out of the way' quote.
At the same time, I did vote for an advisory vote. And you know what? I would still love to have a vote, you know, and let everybody come together, let the committees form on both sides of the issue and just have a big, old vote on it. But you know what? I made that argument on Aug. 20 and it got voted down. And I do believe in representative democracy — you know, I’ve sent this email out to a lot of people: Don’t expect me to, after fighting as hard as I can for something and then losing it, I’m not gonna then try and pull an end-around on the rest of the council. I have too much love and respect for my peers up here on council to then decide that, ‘Well, I’m not happy with their decision.’ You know, the hardest part of being on a council is being able to accept when you’re on the losing end of a vote, and I only see two options: You can either find a way to get behind the majority, or you can shut up and get out of the way. [Applause break]
To Kari Kilroy,
Please don't misquote the Mayor. These were his exact words and were not aimed at YOU or the citizens of Manitou but at himself.
"All right, so, what I hear tonight is we have a majority of councilors who are ready to move forward with this. And, like I said, you can either shut up and get out of the way, or find a way to get behind it. And I feel like if we’re going to be moving forward with this than it’s time to do it right."
In fact it was members of PARMMS who yelled at citizens from the surrounding community that they shouldn't get a say if they don't live here, even though some of those speakers helped write A-64 or will be implementing the regulations and have specific knowledge of it. One of your members even wrote 'If you don't live here SHUT up" in comments on-line. That isn't exactly the welcoming family friendly tourist attitude you have said you want to promote. Living in a small town which relies heavily on its surrounding community to thrive means also listening to what those who visit here and/or work here (and pay sales taxes, parking etc....) also want.
First off I dont know of anyone from Canada coming here for health care (show me proof) if they have the money to chase health care they go to another country that gives them the drugs they cant get here or there own country ask Limbaugh. Second if you decide not to get insurance go ahead and pay the fine but dont whine when you get sick and lose everything you worked your life for and leave your loved ones broke because you have to pay those hospitals to keep you from dying a horrible death. Last why should any citizen leave to find a place there safe whats wrong with working to make our home a better place? Is that not what our founding fathers did?
happyfew, could you please provide a link detailing the dates, locations and specific amount(s) "spilled" that you've referred to here?
Clara, your abhorrence is as misplaced as your faux-indignation.
Long waits for health care? Thats the excuse from those that dont like the fact that its one of the many things no one can live without. Well let me ask you. Have you done without health care insurance? Talk about waiting. Have you been dropped? Talk about waiting. Have you paid into a program then told it dont cover a needed procedure? Talk about waiting. Welcome to my world. Paid the insurance company for 14 years only to find out they wouldnt cover a heart attack because they the insurance company decided it was caused from some cancer treatment 25 years before. They knew about that cancer when I applied but took my money anyway and not only dropped me but my wife was dropped as well. Yea waiting is a real bitch but guess what not getting is even worse.
Thinker, you have a tendency to get very personal in discussions very quickly, which is a habit I abhor. In fact, your rudeness to the letter writer was the only reason I responded. So go talk to yourself.
thinker, in North Dakota alone there were hundreds of unreported spills at fracking and oil drilling rigs. these were discovered well after the actual spills. the definition of unreported... well figure it out for yourself.
Clara, you suggest because germs exist we should have gov't mandated/imposed universal healthcare, and that a "few eggs" is a reasonable price to pay as a subsequent result of enforcement--you could make one he!!uva omlette with the millions already broken and scrambled!
A majority of Americans however, think this is an extreme federal overeach (why is the gov't even involved in health-care, and what gives them the right to force citizens to purchase a private commodity?), and if you subscribe to the idea of cradle-to-grave entitlements, please Google "Life of Julia" for an advanced primer on the concept; it sounds like you're exactly the demographic the administration is trying to reach.
"In all these shootings, the shooters passed the federal background check to buy their guns, so expanding the checks to private gun sales would do nothing to solve the problem." -- Jill Coleman
You and those damn pesky facts! You oughta know better. Stop it!
Oops, that was for Jan Chappell, not Clara McKenna.
"How can we live without war? We can, by bringing our military men and women home and solving the problems of our country with their expertise." -- Clara McKenna
Sounds remarkably like Isolationism. That sure didn't work out so well.
"Myself and the "people" I talk with (a group that I would just about guarantee is a much more fun crowd than his "people") love the Ranger Rich column. Poor John doesn't seem to understand satire, " -- Larry Christison
A lot of Tosches' columns are not satire and his hatred is often palpable.
"We Canadians want our people to be healthy and strong and smart. We have no problems with our taxes paying for that. We can go to any doctor that we want to and it doesn't cost us a dime" -- Pat Hill
It appears that Canadians don't consider taxes to be a cost. BTW, MANY Canadians can tell you horror stories about long waits for procedures, diagnostics, and treatment. Many Canadians opt to come to the US for these things.
Your story appears to be completely fabricated, Pat.
As long as there are germs, there will be a need to assure the health of our neighbors as well as ourselves, thinker. There's a reason all those policemen, firemen and health workers wear gloves -- and sometimes, masks.
As for ACA, you can't make omelets without breaking a few eggs. Not a great Obama fan but I do think the nation needs the enlightened self interest of universal health care and has for some time. Regular health care from birth on could well lower the cost of Medicare, since so many of those expensive illnesses late in life are the result of lifestyle and lack of care.
"we don't hear about them, and most times the EPA doesn't either"
Then how do YOU know when/where they occur, happyfew?
"The reason for public health laws in the early 20th century" Yes, over 100 years ago there was a dire need for improved medical services, and better access to them, but in contemporary society, we have options unheard of then.
Clara, you sound like a staunch advocate of the ACA, please tell us why it's such a boon to the citizenry, and explain its numerous exemptions, the botched roll-out and millions of subsequent policy cancellations.
fracking is far from having a "strong environmental track record". there are spills at fracking sites every week. we don't hear about them, and most times the EPA doesn't either. they proclaim that ground water contamination has not "been proven" to be from their activities. this is not the same as saying they have not caused ground water contamination. if fracking is already subject to "rigorous standards and regulations" what are they afraid of? darth vadar cheney put in energy laws protecting these polluters from coming clean and they are fighting hard to keep these protections in place so they can continue to pollute and not be held accountable.
Thinker, most Canadians I know are well aware of what health care costs. After all, they write checks for taxes. However, unlike many Americans' self-indulgent "everyone for himself," they realize that the old Revolutionary War saying, "If we don't hang together, we'll all hang separately," still holds true. The reason for public health laws in the early 20th century was a growing realization that the disease or illness of my neighbor can land me in the grave if there are no precautions. That kind of enlightened self-interest is a big part of what Canadians are acting on. Any society is safer when we make sure everyone has accessible health care.
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