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Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

"In response to "The winner loses" (Letters, Nov. 30): You do not live in a democracy. The United States operates as a representative republic. " - Bob Wolverton

Not quite. The US is a constitutional federal republic. It is similar to, but not quite the same as a representative democracy. You, Bob, have mixed the two terms. Here is the difference:

Democracies are rule by vote, can be direct or representative, and do not have an executive position.

Republics are rule by law, are always representative, and have an executive position which is not a monarch.

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Posted by Dave H on 12/20/2016 at 11:15 AM

Re: “Trump's inexperience, Colorado's primary system, Centennial extension, and more

Mr Mabon, in reading your letter more carefully it should be required reading for every public servant in the country. Bravo - they work for us, not the other way around, tho sometimes it doesn't feel that way.

And in corporatist Trumpland we'll all be workin' for the man...again.

Posted by Vietnamized on 12/15/2016 at 5:30 PM

Re: “Trump's inexperience, Colorado's primary system, Centennial extension, and more

Mr Casimir, roads don't last that long. TABOR has lasted longer...and the longer it lasts the longer we'll be dodging potholes. It would be innovative if some of our great materials engineers could get that to work though...then maybe TABOR could work, too - NOT!

Posted by Vietnamized on 12/15/2016 at 5:27 PM

Re: “Trump's inexperience, Colorado's primary system, Centennial extension, and more

Tannim, let me get this straight - our current President, former Harvard Law Review editor, Constitutional Law professor who has a 57% approval rating and scares he crap out of Putin (as does NATO and the former Lady Secretary) is the fellow more than half the nation wants impeached? Math challenged, you are.

I would vote for Trump to be your operating surgeon any day - maybe he could correct your attitude with some fine hand gestures or something.

Mr Mabon, freedom from religion is every bit as important as freedom of religion. Tannim fails to acknowledge that the bible was written by men, and severely edited over the years. It stands on its own until some self-appointed direct line to the almighty wants to cherry pick and change interpretations.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 12/15/2016 at 5:19 PM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Howdy again, Longtooth! Rick Perry won't be a problem - he'll abolish his job and go back to Texas! That's if he remembers what his job is...

December 19th, folks - early Christmas if Trump doesn't get to 270!

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Posted by Vietnamized on 12/15/2016 at 4:44 PM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Again, to correct my screw-up, the website is asktheelectors.org. Also, this claptrap about 'bound' electors is not going to fly very far when the unconstitutionality of it comes to the fore.

Makeitgreatonce: read Malcolm Nance's "The Plot to Hack America". Trump is interested in making Russia greater.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 12/15/2016 at 4:43 PM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Thank you for the advice Mr. Tannim, but I have chosen to pursue understanding of The US Constitution, our form of government, and how it has changed, beyond what was superficially covered in High School.
To describe our government as a "REPUBLICAN form of government" is to not understand that "republican" is simply an adjective describing a republic...sorta like redundantly saying "a republic is a republican form of government".
And I tried to make it clear that the term "republic", by itself, is NOT an adequate description of our form of government, as there are governments around the world that label themselves "republic" that have NOTHING in common with the US form of governance. The US is much MORE than simply a republic... or, as you express: "REPUBLICAN".
But the point of my post (which you chose to ignore) is the dismissal of democracy as the ESSENTIAL word to describe the spirit, indeed the essence, of how we have historically viewed our nation and its aspirations. I'm of the notion that Conservatives do not like democracy, and your letter reenforces that notion.
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Aside: The Liberal ideology to maintain and expand the "common good" is what protects "the the rights of the individual". Without government (a democratic one) your individual "rights" would be a pipe dream. "WE THE PEOPLE" protect the rights of the individual. Thats why our Constitution begins with THOSE three words...not "ME THE INDIVIDUAL".

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Posted by asawatcher on 12/15/2016 at 11:19 AM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Rabbi Mel: I guess blessed are the peacemakers, but Trump's "I have great respect" is hard to take seriously after the last 5 years of disrespecting President Obama. It's just another lie, from someone who seems to be unable to tell the truth about anything at all.

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Posted by JerryS on 12/15/2016 at 11:18 AM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Asawatcher: "I think what has most deeply concerned me over the last year or so is the Conservative assault on the cornerstone of the foundation of American ideological values.
Mr. Wolverton expresses that assault perfectly, claiming:

"You do not live in a democracy."
and demanding:
"Teach your children they do not live in a democracy.""

Clueless you are, padawan. The cornerstone of American values, as expressed in the Constitution, is a REPUBLICAN form of government, which means that the rights of the individual are respected and take precedence over the powers of government and majority rule.

Go back to high school civics and learn it correctly because it is rather obvious that you flunked it the first time.

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Posted by Tannim on 12/14/2016 at 2:11 PM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Dave Joss: Here's an idea for you: HAVE A POINT.

Bob Wolverton: Well stated.

David Naumann: Changing the winner-take-all rule in the 48 states that have it doesn't require a constitutional amendment, just 48 state laws changed. "Updating" the Electoral College to a more proportional system is simple turning it into a scaled version of the direct democracy that you then state you're not ready to embrace. You can't have it both ways.

Melvin Glazer: You realize that your comments are on the Internet, which is the chief reason that which you lament doesn't happen?

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Posted by Tannim on 12/14/2016 at 2:08 PM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

I think what has most deeply concerned me over the last year or so is the Conservative assault on the cornerstone of the foundation of American ideological values.
Mr. Wolverton expresses that assault perfectly, claiming:

"You do not live in a democracy."
and demanding:
"Teach your children they do not live in a democracy."

It makes me wonder just what Mr. Wolverton thinks "We the People" means.
The term "Republic" does NOT, by itself, describe our political structure. The "R" in the old USSR for example, stood for Republic. And China (The Peoples Republic of...) is a representative republic. The representatives, however, are not chosen by the people, but by a convoluted process controlled by the Party.
Democracy is the ESSENTIAL word describing America's form of governing, and I wonder about those who are attempting to demean and disparage that concept.
We are in a domestic war against those who are out to destroy our democracy, and we just lost a very significant battle in that war. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, and now the Electoral College are powerful weapons currently aimed at our democratic principles and values. The sooner we all realize that fact, the sooner we can rally Americans to fight against these weapons fashoned for the destruction of American democracy.
We DO live in a democracy (for the time being) and we should teach our children that America was founded on essential democratic principles, and just how precious those values are.

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Posted by asawatcher on 12/14/2016 at 12:45 PM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Wow! Have you looked over the roster on this White PINS Party? Dismantle just about everything! Perry? Really? Gonna be a bumpy ride going off the rails on a crazy train.

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Posted by longtooth on 12/14/2016 at 11:49 AM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Wow! Have you looked over the roster on this White PINS Party? Dismantle just about everything! Perry? Really? Gonna be a bumpy ride going off the rails on a crazy train.

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Posted by longtooth on 12/14/2016 at 11:49 AM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Mr Terryah, you can crow now, but wait til you have to learn Russian.

Mr. Joss, you are exactly right, provided we don't get the Electoral College relief we are entitled to in the Constitution. It is not a small, insignificant voice tacked on to the elective process - it is the final voice. Contact electors at http://myelectoralcollege.com and make your voice heard.

Mr Wolverton, This tyranny is facilitated by duplicity in false news, treachery from Breitbart and is the tyranny of the minority, not the majority. By definition, the majority in a democracy cannot be tyrannical - it is the will of the people. It just may not be the result YOU want, but that's democracy for you.

Mr Naumann, you are correct in assuming that the Electoral College is in place to prevent the potential outcome of this most divisive election.

Rabbi Glazer, I commend your humanity, but Trump began his campaign in the ugliest of arenas where he questioned the nationality and citizenship of our sitting President...and he never apologized. His clarion call to the 'white nationalists' (read - bigots and racists everywhere) still has them dancing in the streets (as opposed to the thousands of Muslims who DIDN'T dance in the streets of New Jersey, another blatant lie he never retracted). We ARE divided by this man and his hateful rhetoric. Join with the Hamilton Electors and prevent his ascent to power - not doing so will spell the beginning of the end of our way of life.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 12/14/2016 at 11:39 AM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Wolverton starts well, ends in fits. Trump simply wants to destroy China. Together with Putin, they will be the unopposed Empire. Iran can't do shit, except nuke Beirut. There will be no war on the DeathStar. The rebels will share the fate of the children of Aleppo. I have a Trump shaving kit made in China. Somebody really pissed him off over there. Europe will be on their own. Africa will continue to be irrelevant. Mexicans will actually be better off, white people don't pick strawberries. Cancelling bloated defense projects will be good for all except EPC, YOU CAN LEAVE NOW, LAMBORN, YOU WEASEL! Trump and Sheen, what's up? WINNING! More, tiger blood Charlie? You bet! Thanx Donald, ur a badass, men all over the world fear and revere you, Ceasar! Obama was a compassionate, eloquent, classy, prez. That is over. It's a brave new world where the KGB is with 45 and the CIA is not. Delicious Heyoka! The dark agent is a masterful instructor!

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Posted by makeitgreatonce on 12/14/2016 at 11:10 AM

Re: “CSU's lack of transparency, veterans defending the Constitution, and more

2.12. Balance of Free Exercise of Religion and Establishment Clause. Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for their own free exercise of religion, including individual expressions of religious beliefs, and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion. They must ensure their words and actions cannot reasonably be construed to be officially endorsing or disapproving of, or extending preferential treatment for any faith, belief, or absence of belief.

Wearing the uniform while doing that evangelizing is a reasonable construction of officially endorsing their faith by the military, and such is as much of a no-no as engaging in partisan politics while wearing the uniform, which violates the Hatch Act.

Colonel Crews is simply incorrect, and needs to get his facts straight. And Cadet Watkins needs to take off the uniform while evangelizing.

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Posted by Tannim on 12/07/2016 at 6:16 PM

Re: “Lamborn and the Black Forest Fire, meat-free living, gun control and more

Jill Coleman is an NRA schill who must run their local membership promotions. Every comment or letter pushes a membership in the NRA.

When you catch her and Ron's comments they sound like a pair of emotionally and mentally unstable people who shouldn't be around guns at all.

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Posted by TruB on 12/05/2016 at 6:02 PM

Re: “The Trump presidency, deplorables, the media, and more

Mr. Carrigan;
After thinking about your letter for a while I have NOT been able to reconcile your claim that you are a Christian with your support of Donald Trump.
Like most guys, I've spent time in locker rooms. When in college I lived in dorms and a frat house. I too am a veteran. During those years I lived in barracks with a large cross-section of my fellow male Americans, poor to wealthy, educated to barely literate, and NEVER in ALL my experience, in ALL my life (and I'm an elderly geezer now) I never heard such vileness expressed toward women. No man that I encountered EVER asserted that he could sexually assault them with impunity because of WHO HE IS. By HIS OWN WORDS AND DEEDS Trump revealed that he feels free to lie, defraud, misrepresent, and insult anybody or any "group" of people he chooses, or to actually shoot someone on the street and not lose support. He has exposed again and again his moral depravity.
And there are apparently American citizens, like you, who are just fine with it.
Im sorry, Mr. Carrigan, but I have NO reason to think any better of anybody who backed or voted for this degenerate reprobate than I have for Trump himself...all the deplorables included.
Wear your "I voted for Trump" button if you're so proud of your vote, so I'll know the kind of character you carry around inside of you, regardless of your self-righteous claim of being a Christian.

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Posted by asawatcher on 12/05/2016 at 9:34 AM

Re: “The Trump presidency, deplorables, the media, and more

The biggest failure of this election was the lack of quality presidential alternatives. You almost have to wonder if this is where the real election "rigging" is being done.

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Posted by LivesLocally on 12/04/2016 at 5:30 PM

Re: “The Trump presidency, deplorables, the media, and more

Hey Robert HUH No shit just what Ive been saying Congress dont or wont listen to us until we the people demand the money be taken out of the Capitol. Congress is supposed to control the President and keep him in check The President should the Congress and the Courts all of them. In the last 6 years the Congress has not done anything. The President went forward with what ever he felt he needed to and we ended up in the mess were in. What the hell did Clinton have to do with it? She had no power and still dont. We are now in the same boat we were 6 years ago the Government controlled by one party with no balance of power. Congress regardless of what party wont listen to us the people so long as we allow the money to set the policy. The only way thats going to happen is vote in the ones that advocate getting rid of the lobby that is controlling the Congress.

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 12/03/2016 at 4:50 PM

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