Jan, You're right on about the idiocy of average citizens needing weapons with military mode destruction. Hunters, if you really need 100 rounds to get that deer, maybe you need a different sport!
The NRA is the sole reason that every mentally unstable criminal type in our country is armed to the teeth, since this group successfully fought every proposed law designed to control access to even the most destructive military weaponry. The NRA is now mostly a tool of the arms manufacturers for selling their hideous products!! A majority of NRA members actually SUPPORT sensible laws such as were passed in our state!!
One thing, Jan, it is more like 300 million weapons, not 100 million, that would have to be confiscated! Quite an impossible task!!!
Jan, just curious, were you attempting to be facetious, sarcastic, cute?
Another brilliant letter writer - J. Robert Skinner. Everything would be wonderful, if we simply followed Bob's brilliance.
Gosh Marisa, you have it all figured out for conservatives. If they would only think like you....
If anyone reading agrees with Joyce Cheney's letter, then please feel free to sign the online petition linked below, and, more importantly, pass it on to your friends, neighbors, and colleagues.
Though I'm a cynic like "Old Crank" at times, I do believe that in this instance, there is hope.
Thank you for your time.
@ Joyce Cheney, re "Say no to Kum & Go"
I hear ya, but this is the city where the mantras of "free enterprise" and "free market" are right up there with the ten commandments (which most "followers" don't bother to follow, but that's another story for another day).
This is also the city where the same majority abhors having government do anything like make plans or demonstrate intelligent foresight and creative zoning.
If your ideas require any taxpayer funds to complete, you can forget about it, the city is broke, thanks yet again to the lunacy called TABOR.
You'll get a kum n go whether you like or not, whether it makes sense or not, whether it's good for the city or not. When the big money talks ... the GOP politicians bend over ... but hey, you can apply for a wonderful minimum wage job with no benefits that kum n go brings our city.
Prey vs. pray... do you faux news swallowers ever have to think for yourselves. I know that most of the time you just parrot the lies you hear from this republican propaganda network. the article is talking about the potential for flooding due to heavy rains. why would anyone pray for that? I know you self righteous faux religious probably don't understand prayer but think for yourselves for once.
Mr. Hammond: I agree with you, as do most Americans. However, it does not matter what the people want or believe to be fair. The Federal government (both parties) has been enticing illegals to enter our country for many years. Regardless of the lies they have been telling the citizens, government has been offering to illegals free schooling (now including favorable college rates), food stamps, welfare, subsidized housing, free legal and -the biggie- free medical to all illegals and jobs if they want them.
You can't blame the people from other countries. The shame falls on our own government.
David M. Justice! What a name! Supreme court type justice? They cannot read and comprehend a sentence either. While the other commenters filled you in on where you are sorely mistaken I might add that it was May 4,1970 that National Guard (which did not exist in 1776 just as semi or full auto weapons did not either) shot and killed 4 protestors at Kent State University. Those Americans had every Right to protest whether you like it or not. Those Guardsmen are murderers acting under a tyrants orders. The National Guard is a branch of military which is NOT a militia. This incident at Kent State is just one of many that prove we need our Rights more than ever. Your letter is so riddled with assumptions and self-made facts I would judge your age to be 17. You need to read up on Thomas Jefferson and the period in which he lived.
I can own any weapon I choose. If the government wants to kill me Waco-style for that then there it is. If you think your Rights are needless then by all means shut the f*ck up. You do not have the Right to free speech just as you think I do not have the Right to arm myself. The Supreme Court and the United States government are out of touch and out of control. The Right of the People shall not be infringed so I must ask:"Who in the hell do you think you are?" If you try to take my Rights from me then you are my enemy and you will die.
If you ever get a chance to learn to read then American History is your first assignment.
One thing I have learnt for the recent presidential race is that being a candidate is highly convenient and your article proves it once again. People feel very comfortable to donate their money, one of my friend was even ok with applying to his local http://northenloans.ca/instant-payday-loan… instant loans store as he was that devoted to one of the candidates. How silly I that? And here is a very interesting and important question: does all of money go to the campaign? I really do not think so. A big portion of money goes to candidate’s pocket. Being in politics is a very good way to make lots of money…or to lose it.
Mr. Justice. The milita to which the Second Amendment refers is the whole of the people. ALL of us. There is evidence aplenty in the Federalist/Anti-Federalist Papers and other quotations from the founders that clearly state this fact. Justice Scalia referred to this fact in his landmark D.C. v. Heller majority opinion.
Additionally, even the earlier SCOTUS precedent, U.S. v. Miller (1939) supported this fact. In addition to defining the types of weapons protected under the amendment (arms in common use that have a reasonable relationship to the efficiency of a militi), the Court said this:
"With obvious purpose to assure the continuation and render possible the effectiveness of such [militia] forces the declaration and guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted and applied with that end in view.” - UNITED STATES v. MILLER, 307 U.S. 174 (1939) 307 U.S. 174
This, also, was cited in the Heller opinion.
Mr. Justice, there is no sane argument to be made that military-pattern semiautomatic rifles and their component parts don’t meet both prongs of the Miller test. This test exists to clarify what weapons are protected, and why.
All of this is included in the Heller precedent that establishes once and for all that the right is an individual right of the people, that the primary reason for guaranteeing the right is to enable them to respond with their own weapons in cases of emergency, and that the right exists independent of both the Constitution and any requirement for formal membership in any military organization.
Add to this the fact that all of these issues covered in both precedents were established well after the National Guard was created under Congress's Article 1 powers, which proves that your assertion that the National Guard is that to which the amendment refers holds no water.
You can't rewrite history, Mr. Justice. We won't allow you to get away with it.
David Justice, the Colorado National Guard is good enough for you, eh? Would that be the same Colorado National Guard the machine gunned women and children during the Ludlow Massacre? No thanks, I'll keep my rifles. And your opinion on the second amendment is worthless. Supreme court already said that owning a gun is an individual right and that there are no "collective" rights, too bad for an authoritarian collectivist such as yourself.
Hi Stacy in Woodland Park…
According to your NPR source: "Overall, the city's murder rate has dropped dramatically in the FIRST THREE MONTHS of this year, to a level not seen since 1959." This information is correct, backed up by many media reports.
However, letter-writer Ron Coleman referred to FEBRUARY, the month after the presidential inaugural, when he wrote, "The next month the murder rate dropped to a 1958 low."
According to the sources below, February's 14 murders actually represented the lowest monthly total since January 1957, when there were 12. We therefore changed the year in Ron's letter to 1957...
Thanks for taking the time to read the Indy and send us your thoughts.
— Mary Jo Meade (a fact-checker at the Indy)
Sil Arteaga, none of the gun control laws Giron helped pass will save people's lives.
You may think we have all been duped, but tell me exactly how you think these laws will be enforced? How are the police going to prove a firearm originally bought in the 1990s was sold in a private transfer after July of 2013? How are they going to prove a background check was not done? How are they going to prove that someone has not continuously owned their 16 cartridges magazine?
Also, the NRA does not sell firearms and does not make money from firearm sales. 85% of their funding comes from membership dues and individual donations.
The bottom line, Sil, is that you are the one who has been duped.
And to be clear, Kirk Woundy, if you actually DID all this fact-checking that you claim then you would know that the murder rate in Chicago dropped to a 1959 low, not a 1957 low. http://www.npr.org/2013/04/02/175997137/ch…
Layers and layers of fact checkers.................................
To be clear, Mad Dog 20 20, IndyJones is not the Independent. There is no relation. And we fact-check all letters before going to press, though we cannot do the same for online comments. Thanks for reading.
Wrong again Indy. You remind me of the Gazette. They print all kinds of letters no matter how many falsehoods they contain. Who cares about facts. If I hear something on a conservative radio it must be true. Yeah right. You are wrong and Ms Lytle is correct. I had to call and make sure I got a ballot as I did not bother to vote in the previous election because there was nothing to vote for and I did not want to waste the stamp. I was told it was a good thing I called to say I was active as they were not planning on sending me a ballot. It was a good decision to block Gessler's plan. And nonsense like that which prevent people from expressing their first amendment rights can never be allowed to happen here.
The letter from the NAACP Colorado president is shockingly absurd. The fact is, since the first no-excuse mail ballot in 1994 no colorado secretary of state nor any county clerk has ever sent mail ballots to inactive-failed to vote voters because the law always prevented it. Gessler pressed for statewide uniformity so Denver's election processes are the same as El Paso's process.
Also, not one overseas ballot was prevented from being mailed. This claim is totally false.
Evers taught us that every vote is precious and shouldn't be cancelled out by an ineligible vote. Unfortunately, this letter is designed to simply take a swipe at Gessler which does a disservice to the public.
"A police chief is non-partisan and not accountable to an electorate, and is more likely to advocate for politically unpopular policies, like gun laws." -- Bill Guman
Actually Police Chiefs tend to be more partisan because they serve at the pleasure of and need to appease the politicians who appointed them. They have repeatedly been shown to not represent the opinions of the rank and file cops. They will support the positions endorsed by any politicians who promise them more money and more manpower.
"It would indeed be interesting if we placed gun laws on a statewide ballot. Opponents of our new gun laws might be surprised at the results."
Given the incredible lack of knowledge about anything regarding firearms by the general public, I would not be surprised if they would support some pretty dumb laws. Remember the 1994 Assault Weapon Ban? Do you know how many of the general public mistakenly thought it banned machine guns? The reality was it had absolutely nothing to do with machine guns. You might find support for banning AR-15s even though rifles of any kind, of which AR-15s are a subset, account for less homicides than hands and feet and less than knives. Many of the general public think hollow-points are illegal.
The bottom line is the laws might pass, but it would be out of sheer ignorance on the part of the public.
Look at the Universal Background Check and the arbitrary magazine capacity limit -- both of these laws are nearly impossible to enforce and there is no evidence that they would be effective at reducing violence involving firearms. They have support because THEY SOUND GOOD. But when you actually take more than five minutes to think about how they would work, they fall apart pretty quickly.
"First, The Assault Weapons Responsibility Act was withdrawn by Sen. Morse and will not be reintroduced. Second, the bill specifically had many exemptions: one being the situation of an intruder coming into your home (i.e., a "Make My Day" exemption); in that case, you could not be held liable. The Act was also intended for cases of negligence in storing or transferring an assault weapon, or for cases where state/federal laws were violated." -- Carol Hoffman
One thing that is true is that the bill would have classified 1870s era single shot rifles as "assault weapons".
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