You cannot negotiate on gun control until you agree on what it means. At this point the concept is a slippery slope that could lead anywhere, depending on who you ask.
My own opinion is that any gun law that doesn't keep guns away from criminals isn't worth pursuing.
Rocky has it right.. there are plenty of laws on the books that should have stopped most of this madness if THEY WERE ENFORCED! The Navy yard shooter should have been placed on a do not sell list. So should have the theater shooter, the Sandy hook shooter was known to be a bit off the tracks (and he was denied a gun purchase and found a place to steal his weapons), the Army knew that the Ft. Hood shooter was going off the rails a long time before that happened too. More laws would not stop this if they are not going to be enforced and the criminals (by definition) are not going to abide by them. When these mad men do their evil and make the press, why call for even more that only infringe on those of us that do follow the laws. Why impede the 100's of 1000's of citizens who stop this kind of thing every year (that the press refuses to report on)? If there is going to be any kind of progress against this madness, it is going to be a societal change, not more laws that force Americans to become sitting ducks with a rape whistle and a sharp pencil praying for the police to get there in time when only seconds count.
The biggest problem with these laws is NO enforcement. We have local politicians that wont we have the same problem all over this Country. Case in point the Navy yard shooter. Why was his name not put in a data base for for do not sell? Politics thats why. Back ground checks can and will work the TSA uses them on do not fly list's but you need the American people to demand that law enforcement comply to the law. Back ground checks are not gun control its people control and thats what needs done.
Yes or no.
Black and white.
Jim, I know that you have great passion about this. So do victims of violence. So do people who live in fear, and think rounding up guns will make us more secure.
I'm trying to argue here that we have to drop the yes or no. Once we acknowledge that we already have a certain level of gun control, and most of our arguments are about where to draw that line, then we can speak as human beings instead of ideologues.
Here ya go Bill Guman.... Morse said--
“Even though, you know, at this point, when you’re getting thousands of emails, you can’t read all of them, physically anyway. But it’s…We just have to stay away from some of this toxicity. We get the point that some of these folks think their Second Amendment rights are being abridged.… It’s not worth getting into that argument with them, and, so, just move along and don’t read any more of these than you absolutely have to, because it will wear on your psyche.”
Many Democratic legislators are taking Morse’s advice to heart, including Senate Majority Leader Morgan Carroll, D-Aurora, and state Sen. Angela Giron, D-Pueblo, who skipped-out on their scheduled town hall meetings without notice.
Would post the link(s) but I think you know how to google and there are plenty with and without the video
"Morse said on National TV "Ignore the e-mails from your constituents.. we know the right thing to do"
Jim Coda, you had better go back and double check your facts. Nowhere - not on Maddow or anywhere else - will you find a verbatim quote from Morse that advised anyone to "IGNORE the emails from your constituents." This was a completely distorted statement of what was actually said, and recallers grasped onto it and used it to their advantage.
My sincere congratulations to the winners, they won fair and square. But a 21% turnout with a victory margin of 366 votes in a senate district with 69,000 eligible voters is hardly a mandate. At $10.50 per vote cast, the least we should expect is for the "bad" laws to be repealed for our money (those ho got them passed may be gone, but their laws remain in full effect). What are the chances the replacement senators can accomplish this over the next 10 months? If they cannot get rid of the laws that caused all this, then the recall is akin to winning the battle and losing the war - a pyrrhic victory at best.
the navy yard shooter was denied an assault rifle due to a background check... he used a pump action shot gun instead.
what is the gunuts reason for not wanting background checks again...?
I am confused on your point here. By your own admission "Does gun control actually work? (Usually not.)" yet you want more voter turnout to stop a recall of elected officials that passed 2 gun laws that won't work. Morse and Giron cost the state untold revenue by passing 2 bills that will do nothing to stop a crazy person from shooting people if they want to. Colorado lost businesses that relocated and took their jobs with them, out-of-state hunters are boycotting our state in protest and a successful TV show left the state as well and for what some symbolic laws that will do nothing. I believe low voter turnout is a reflection on how many people are actually apathetic about this issue and just don't care. I think the middle just doesn't give a damn.
Not bad Warren... and you will find most of us against the current wave of meaningless gun control will agree with back-ground checks. What our biggest problem is; when a maniac causes mayhem, they come after us law abiding people with new laws that we know the maniacs will not follow anyway. The they add insult be lying about the reasons for their new "controls". The Brady Bill didn't stop Columbine, The theater shooter was not reported when it became evident to professionals that he was going off the rails, NO victims of Sandy Hook were shot with more than a hand gun (but the AK is suddenly the weapon of evil) and now the Navy base when the first week of August it was reported he was losing his faculties, but no one thought about looking into he security clearance, yet within 12 hours Sen. Feinstein is calling for more gun laws! (?) really? BTW, that IS a gun free zone, look how that helped stop someone who has become un-hinged. What needs to be discussed is the societal shift that has put so little value on human life and so much on personal priority that would foster such madness.
As far as recall.. this is nothing new and anybody with knowledge of the Constitution knows this. If you recall, GOP Governor Scott Walker was up against it 2 years ago. Was that as disturbing for you too? The differences are 1) Gov.Walker believed in what he was being called on the carpet for and stood up to it and won even with the millions the labor unions and Demcratic party put into it. Here, Morse and Giron were cowards and even though they had 5 times the money the recall effort had, they spent it on womens rights issues and political B.S. against the candidates that were replacing them if they last and not defending their positions. And 2) The recall laws are in place to take out Representatives that violate their positions and for us the Gun issue was just the breaking point. Morse said on National TV "Ignore the e-mails from your constituents.. we know the right thing to do" In my book, he should have been fired there. Add to that, crippling rural Colorado with doubling the renewable energy mandates (why only them), over-hauling the election laws to allow gypsy voters, etc. This can go on, but the point is; they were elected as "Representatives" of us and they were only representing somebody else's political agenda.
There is a lot of talk about the NRA being the big bully who touched this all off. When will everybody accept it was US, the citizens of Colorado who were not allowed to testify when out of staters were who did this, the NRA only came in to assist a little when WE got it rolling. Anybody who whines about the big money NRA is being a bit more than hypocritical when they don't also admit the Bloomberg influence, personal calls from VP Biden and huge sums of money (multiples of the NRA donation) Giron and Morse used to lie and try to distract everyone from their bad politics that they were to cowardly to try to defend.
A downtown stadium?! Don't even think about it:
Instead, "Fix our bridges already" along with other existing infrastructure:
Please read on his public Facebook page Colorado Springs Council Member Joel Miller's 10 reasons for why he is opposed to the "City of Champions" proposal: https://www.facebook.com/JoelMillerColorad…
This mayor is a menace to this city and this proposal for the stadium and other buildings is absolutely ridiculous. We have to re-establish some realistic priorities in this city and vote in a better Mayor as soon as we can.
You might like the segment from 1:25 - 2:30 in this episode - http://podbay.fm/show/536258179/e/13423536… . The Night Vale Stadium sounds like a bit the plans for a new downtown Colorado Springs stadium. Maybe a hooded figure gathering would help get the numbers to where they need to be to make a new stadium financially viable.
If the Sky Sox Stadium is moved to downtown, what will be the effect on the Powers Blvd business complex? The retail businesses in that area (Walmart, Target, Lowes, many restaurants, movie theaters, etc., etc.) represent sales tax revenue to the city that is about 40 times larger than the sales tax that is presently collected downtown.
Walmart is the largest private employer in the city. Target and Lowes are also very significant contributors to city employment and tax revenues. These businesses deserve full recognition of their contributions. Downtown is really represented by about six politically connected landowners who are pushing for government subsidies for their bad land purchases. Government subsidies have been used downtown for over fifty years. Any good conservative knows government subsidies don't work. And they won't work this time either.
Similar reasoning applies to the silly attempts to move the Air Force Academy visitors center to downtown. Why not put a visitors center for Yellowstone National Park in the Antler's hotel complex? Answer -- People go to the Air Force Academy because that is where they want to be. The same applies to Yellowstone National Park. So the downtown businesses need to find a way to make people want to go there. Free internet cafes? Free wi-fi? How about free parking? Vastly improved street networks? There are many opportunities, but subsidizing losing businesses won't make them successful.
The mayor is bonkers to think that this should actually happen. Maybe if he could get the roads in shape first.
Thanks, Mr. Mullin, for a terrific article. From the moment Mayor Bach announced his Grand Plan, I was against it. The stadium etc is not a good idea just because he says it is. The info in this article is exactly what the electorate needs to help decide if the stadium is worth building. Furthermore, if something BIG must be done to "revitalize" downtown, then I want a sparkling new library built on the very spot intended for the stadium. And I'm agreeable to paying a special assessment property tax or whatever to fund it. Also, within walking distance of ATB park, let the private sector build a year-round farmer's market, with small restaurants serving market foods, art galleries, and vendors selling handcrafted wares. Sorta like Seattle's Pike Place Market, sans the flying fish.
Detroit has a MAJOR league baseball stadium. It sure worked great for them.
It's a shame that such an expensive proposition has been short-sheeted when it comes to a true business analysis. For instance, I saw no analysis of the location of current season ticket holders and no discussion of their future willingness to drive 25 minutes and pay $10 to park to see a game. My guess is that many will choose to drop those tickets.
I voted for this mayor but will not do so again, as I am tired of his behind the back deals to address his own agenda with no regard to general public needs or input.
Omaha moved its stadium to the suburbs to make room for a brand new downtown stadium to host the college World Series and other high dollar generating events. They would have never moved it without another stadium going in. Most cities also have growth and sprawl (like Woodmen and Powers) but they also keep focus on their core downtown. Stadiums, science centers and museums are usually..........Downtown.
what a lovely tribute to two fine people. I always enjoyed seeing both Jeannie and Pam when I was in Poor Richard's and was so very heartbroken over their deaths. They would be SO very proud of you for writing this! Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts with your readers.
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