COnative59- Then what did you mean by 'getting hit with the social and legal system impacts of legal pot'? I read that as you acknowledging recreational MJ's negative effects on society.
Sounds like we will both vote against the Mayor's flawed tax increase.
PacksA9 -- obviously, I don't consider Manitou Springs decision to be the irresponsible one between our two municipalities. Colo Spgs is the irresponsible one, and ignoring the will of the voters as well as ignoring the potentially generous tax revenue stream that could alleviate many of the problems the mayor and counsel want a higher sales tax for, is just plain ignorant. I really hope the citizens are smart enough to vote down the sales tax increase request, again.
Sorry, but this new tax for five years of road maintenance is a no go for me, for a couple of reasons:
1. The city seems to have no LONG TERM plan for maintaining our roads. Until it has such a plan how can it possibly know how much tax money is needed and for how long?
2. Until C4C is brought up for a vote how can we be sure that general fund money that should be going to road maintenance and other purposes isn't being re-allocated to C4C projects?
We let them gut the parks and rec department. We let them shut down the majority of our bus routes. We let them sell-out the hospital. We let them turn off the street lights.
Enough is enough. It is time to hold people accountable for running this city for the long term, not just let them careen from crisis to crisis by asking for handouts.
COnative59- How is adding even more 'social and legal system impact' to Colorado Springs the right course of action? Perhaps the better choice would be for Colorado Springs to invoice Manitou for the social and legal system impact of THEIR irresponsible retail MJ decision.
Our City Council voted 5-4 in 2013 to prohibit recreational marijuana sales. In September 2013, the council voted against putting the issue on the ballot for voters to decide in April. With Manitou Springs reaping the benefits from Colo Spgs recreational pot purchases, we are getting hit with the social and legal system impacts of legal pot without realizing any of the revenue benefits from sales tax collections.
The voters in Colo Springs passed Amendment 64 in 2012, narrowly, but it did pass. Until this city’s mayor and council put an issue on the upcoming ballot to allow the sales and taxation of recreational marijuana in the city, I don’t think any of us should vote for an increase in our sales tax. Why aren’t they looking at a potentially large tax revenue stream to help increase our budget for our crumbling roads and infrastructure – BEFORE asking us again to pass an in-general sales tax increase????
I remember this like it was yesterday. Within weeks of the proposal being shot down after the vote it was reported on all the news stations that El Paso county was going to continue to build the jail addition and where the money would be taken from. Hello? Anybody notice in last 8 years there aren't as many buses? Anybody notice how are roads have all become worse for wear? Funny how the story changed from then till now. Now its "We used COPS to pay for the jail addition and no money was ever taken from public programs" yet thats exactly what was reported and it is those very same programs which are crap today. Coincidence?
Randall Flagg, To be clear, the jail addition was built by El Paso County using certificates of participation. COPs have been declared legal by the courts but are considered by some as an end-run around the Taxpayer's Bill of Rights, which requires all debt and tax increases to be approved by voters. COPs don't require voter approval. County commissioners decided to use COPs after the ballot measure failed. So, there was no city money used to build this addition. The city didn't take money from road maintenance, public transportation and parks to help fund the jail.
I want to hear someone come out and tell us what Bach and the previous City Council did with our tax money that was previously earmarked for roads. I want to know SPECIFICS of where every dime of that money went. Bach, a Republican, as is every City official, dropped the ball! He and the Republican City Council COMPLETELY ignored the roads which is why we are in this mess. I suggest that every other project now, be put on the back burner (as road maintenance was) until all roads are repaired and repaved. Thanks for this mess, Bach!
The city of Colorado Springs is once again trying to pull one over on it's residents. If any of you remember about 8 years ago El Paso county wanted a tax increase to build the addition on the jail. The tax was on the ballot and it was promptly voted down (I know because I voted no on it) but they built it anyways. Do you know where they got the money? They got it from ROAD MAINTENANCE, Public transportation (Buses) and other public works programs like parks and rec. Now it is 7 years later and our roads are in dire shape? Well of course they are and its because of that stupid multi million dollar addition on the jail!! The roads didn't fall into immediate disrepair, it took 7 years and now the residents of Colorado Springs are being taxed for over $50 million which is more then the original cost of the jail addition that the road maintenance fund was raped for.
"Manitou police said the fire posed a danger to others." And yet there was 0 victims and no one was harmed. Seems the threat doesn't exist in reality. So, in this conservative county, it's obvious your freedom of speech means nothing if they can charge you for a victimless crime that nothing happened at. Cha-ching. The Law Enforcement in this county is all about the benjamins.
"More room for cops" - No wonder this city has no money for fixing potholes or cutting weeds, as they are constantly buy new land at top dollar and selling existing city buildings for pennies on the dollar. Paying 3 times the market value for the land is a sweet deal for the seller, not the taxpayer.
"More room for cops" - so, you can't add-on to the existing building? and now that the city is admitting that the current site has drainage problems, your going to try and sell it - probably for a big loss.
"In the meantime, you have not offered up a single link yourself."
You want a single link? Here's a single link (although, "you will pooh-pooh my sources..."):
Former Iraqi pilots training ISIS fighters to fly captured Syrian jets, rights group says
"Radical Islam was burning people alive and slashing throats long before Bush/Cheney and the oh so evil cheerleader pyramid they made at Abu Ghraib."
First of all, you are defending Bush and Cheney, so you are the "Abu Ghraib cheerleader!"
Second, when you use the phrase "Radical Islam" you ought to make it clear what you mean is that all of Islam is radical, that Islam is a radical religion--not that there is a moderate wing of Islam opposed to the radical wing.
By the way, Christians were also fond of burning people at the stake long before Bush/Cheney.
"You will pooh-pooh my sources because that's how lefties counter."
If and when that ever happens you will have a right to criticize me for it. In the meantime you are trying to stereotype me, which is how you ended up missing the fact that I actually agreed with you on the main point of US military spending. Furthermore, you are trying to bluff your way out of the corner you painted yourself into. If you have the evidence, cite it; don't waste electrons explaining how devastating your arguments could have been if you were not too lazy to produce them here.
"Then I could fill 12 vertical inches of comment space with direct quotes from the sources." And most of it redundant if not irrelevant. You did manage to mention one actual fact, from your wonderful sources. "...about the origin of the specific group known as ISIS. Did you know those roots go back to 1999?"
In 1999, Saddam Hussein still ruled Iraq and his military was tasked with suppressing groups like ISIS. It was not until after he and his military were thrown out of office that the former commanders allied themselves with ISIS, and not until the US left Iraq that ISIS broke out and started capturing territory. We know that ISIS fighters are equipped with sophisticated weaponry they captured from the regular Iraqi army, but where did they get their training on this equipment and where did they get their military discipline, in general, if not from the disbanded former military of Iraq?
"ISIS was not the topic of this thread - US military spending is." ISIS was brought up by the first people to comment on the topic of US military spending.
"You have completely ignored my points on that." You really need to get reading glasses. Far from ignoring your points, I wrote, "As for your main point, I am in total agreement."
"Case closed." Indeed!
K- ISIS was not the topic of this thread - US military spending is. You have completely ignored my points on that. Case closed.
Here's why I'm content to simply disagree with you and be done with this. I could post multiple links that say different about the origin of the specific group known as ISIS. Did you know those roots go back to 1999? You will pooh-pooh my sources because that's how lefties counter. Then I could fill 12 vertical inches of comment space with direct quotes from the sources. Then you would change the subject. In the meantime, you have not offered up a single link yourself.
The people I really want to reach have gotten bored with both of us and moved on.
Call the flavors of radical Islam whatever you want, ISIS, Al Qaeda, Taliban, Al Fatah, Boko Haram, PFLP, PLO, ANO... You cannot refute that the civilized West has been at war with radical Islam for centuries. Radical Islam was burning people alive and slashing throats long before Bush/Cheney and the oh so evil cheerleader pyramid they made at Abu Ghraib.
"I can certainly refute your ISIS analysis..." Then why don't you? Instead you launch into a tirade against the Obama administration, which in your own words is "all off topic."
Besides, I thought I made it clear that the Democrats have no more grasp of the situation than the Republicans. I am glad you agree with me on arming the Kurds. Unfortunately, this is another good idea which will be summarily dismissed by both parties because they are afraid of offending Turkey.
K- I can certainly refute your ISIS analysis with a quick Google search and a couple of HS history books. Obama squandered all the progress we made in Iraq. He completely missed the opportunity of the Iran's Green Revolution in 2009 (Thanks Valerie Jarrett). He allowed the Muslim Bros to take control in Egypt. He and Hillary stood by while terrorists in Benghazi murdered four brave Americans including our Ambassador. I could go on forever. It's all off topic. I agree with you that we should support the Kurds.
I surmise, since you have decided to dredge up the irrelevant opinions of a second-rate politician, PacksA9, that you cannot refute my analysis.
Just for the record, neither the Democrats nor the Republicans have any clue when it comes to handling ISIS or shoring up our chimeric "victory" in Iraq. Iraq needs to be partitioned into Sunni, Shia, and Kurdish nations, and the Kurds should be allowed, if not encouraged, to annex Syrian Kurdish territory. We need to arm the Kurds to the teeth because (unlike our "partners" in Iraq, the Shiites) they will fight to the last man.
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