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Re: “One last shot at a downtown stadium

Just read the linked article provided by Jeff Hirtle about Fresno's stadium, which contained this chilling fact: "Stadium events outside of the Grizzlies initially were projected to generate $425,000 annually. In 2015, the amount was less than $10,000."

Regardless, City Leaders are proud of their beautiful stadium and consider it to be worthy of spending tax dollars to keep the red-ink stadium afloat while skimping on basic services that are the responsibility of govt to provide for its citizens. Stadium/event centers are not a profit center for any city that has one - instead, they divert tax revenue to debt service and maintenance. Stadium/event centers don't generate a profit for anyone other than the owners of nearby properties and the developer, who in the case of COS, is also the owner of numerous nearby properties.

Routon - and his fellow starry-eyed City Leaders who are determined to revitalize downtown so that it can compete with Denver - need to take off their rose-colored glasses and put on their thinking caps.

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Posted by curious on 03/07/2017 at 12:33 PM

Re: “One last shot at a downtown stadium

The Jenkin's stadium refuses to drop dead because the dreamers won't wake up. There are numerous stadiums around town that could host the Switchbacks, and building this minor league team a $300M dollar stadium - to be built by taxpayer dollars without taxpayer consent - for the few times the team would play in the stadium is infuriating. What is the matter with Jenkins? Is not the Olympic museum and the parking garage under his skyscraper condo building enough of a carrot to incentivize the development of his 19 or more properties in the area? Furthermore, sports enthusiasts don't go to stadiums to watch their teams - they sit in their Lazy Boys, with a Bud in one hand and turn on the telly with the other.

The mayor is right in saying that there are already far too many URGENT demands being made on taxpayer dollars, such as stormwater and roads and now we learn that the number of police officers needs to be increased to respond to violent crimes. There is NO tax money available to pay for Jenkins dream of a stadium, the purpose of which is to increase the profitability on his 19 or more properties in the area. If Routin wants a stadium, let HIM and others like him donate the $300M dollars needed to build it.

"Let's quit worrying about C4C and start getting basic services in order." Clara's comments are spot on. As are those of Miller and other commenters above. Thanks.

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Posted by curious on 03/06/2017 at 7:27 PM

Re: “One last shot at a downtown stadium

I'd welcome fewer opinions and blue sky proposals and a little more hard data on the demographics of the city and the planning forecast. The city is growing north and east, yet the constant conversation seems to be south and west. The motto is "If you build it, they will come." The question is: "Who are they?"

Why is the city growing -- military? New industries (unlikely when there is no immediate water source)? Tourist traffic? How does all this divide up? Where are the jobs going to coming from to pay for all the new houses -- or will the core of the city hollow out as population growth slows in the country and people move to newer areas?

The population is aging, which means more trips to the hospital. Yet the one hospital nearest downtown seems to be moving north to the top of a hill that the best driver has trouble with in bad weather. The county has moved social services far away from the center of the bus service that many low income people depend on. How will the majority of the population access any number of services -- flying there hanging off a drone?

There's a lot of wish fulfillment around. The planning to make the city work is piecemeal at best. Let's quit worrying about C4C and start getting basic services in order.

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Posted by Clara McKenna on 03/04/2017 at 11:13 AM

Re: “One last shot at a downtown stadium

Rolf-

Naysayers? Naysayers to what- a bad idea? You bet. It's not that we "don't dream big", it's simply that this is a bad idea. It's a good article and I like reading the column- but my opinion is that it's a bad idea. A lot of people share this opinion.

I have an opinion of what we should do with the downtown area. My opinion is wonderful. Other people have opinions too, I doubt many are as good as mine but I'm sure it'd be a scale.

I'd love to hear other people's opinions on what to do with the downtown area. Actually, some might be better than mine! We've never had the opportunity to discuss this matter, as a city public to the public servants who represent us. The city dropped this proposal, somehow secured funding and got a few rubber stamps, and now what? Where's the money and what are we going to do with it? How many firms did we hire for design and price analysis- for what? This is all wasted money, to a bad idea. If there is money around for some project, get the public in now. Get a comprehensive input to make a unique project for our city.

Or- divert the money to get clean water for residents in our south-end.

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Posted by KyleJS on 03/03/2017 at 9:40 PM

Re: “One last shot at a downtown stadium

About the only good thing to come out of the C4C proposal was that it showed how little could be done without public support.

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Posted by UCanSeeClearlyNow on 03/03/2017 at 8:34 AM

Re: “One last shot at a downtown stadium

Why put a stadium in the downtown area? We do not have a way to handle the traffic problems it would create, I25 is overcrowded as it is, and the downtown streets are impossible if anything is happening right now. There has to be a better choice that this, one that would have room for parking, while avoiding traffic jams. I know boosters want to draw people to downtown, but this isn't the way.

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Posted by Beth Heinrich on 03/02/2017 at 9:55 PM

Re: “One last shot at a downtown stadium

You forgot to mention one little thing about all of us naysayers: we are the ones who get stuck with the bill when all the best laid plans of those who "think big" collapse and fail.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 03/02/2017 at 8:35 PM

Re: “One last shot at a downtown stadium

Great article and a great idea.

Let's not give up. Please keep writing about this and don't listen to the nay sayers. They always think small.

Let's be like Palmer and Penrose and the others dreamers. It's in our original DNA.

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Posted by Rolf Jacobson on 03/02/2017 at 6:38 PM

Re: “One last shot at a downtown stadium

I specifically asked this question 4 years ago and was told "NO". The culture of the campus atmosphere required the stadium to remain where it is. In addition I was told they were raising funds to make it larger on the AFA campus. It was also mentioned in conjunction with the new visitors center. We are not a sports centric town and we have the Broadmoor fighting us for convention space. Our strength is livability. Lets concentrate on several large downtown living projects. Designed as rent controlled living areas with access to bike-able schools, grocery stores and science museums.

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Posted by wpmurrayIII on 03/02/2017 at 12:36 PM

Re: “One last shot at a downtown stadium

It's a decent idea, full of typical wide-eyed wonderment. These great ideas, and mine, require buckets of "free" money from taxpayers elsewhere. That's the real game in America, getting someone ELSE to pay for what you want; our Federal budget has money and tax loopholes for every vested interest on earth.

Perhaps a better idea is to rearrange the access roads around Falcon Stadium to isolate and keep the stadium outside of the security perimeter of the USAFA so it may be accessed without the security hassles. Throw in an off ramp from the Interquest Parkway exit of I-25 that can be open for events to gain better access on game days. Put a roof over Falcon Stadium and call it a done deal. But that won't happen if the Air Force has to pony up the money for any of this, see comment above about getting free money.

In a state that rejected hosting an Olympic Games, ultra conservative and ultra cheap Colorado Springs isn't about to 'spring' for a damned thing, especially with TABOR still on the books.

If private money wants to do all these things, fine, have at it, but when developers and pols talk about 'free enterprise' what they mean is free money from taxpayers suckered yet again.

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Posted by OldCrank on 03/01/2017 at 9:27 AM

Re: “One last shot at a downtown stadium

Ralph, I am not a supporter of the downtown stadium, for a number of reasons. Here is a link to a comprehensive article from the Fresno Bee, outlining the difficulties that Chuchancy Park; THEIR tax payer supported downtown stadium; has faced since it's inception. I think this is a useful case study with an eerily similiar situation to what the powers-that-be want to do here...

http://www.fresnobee.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/political-notebook/article74826227.html

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Posted by Jeff Hirtle on 03/01/2017 at 8:38 AM

Re: “One last shot at a downtown stadium

Wow..."It would need key leaders to buy in, embrace the potential and seize the opportunity."

We'd also need key leaders to steal about $1 billion from taxpayers....come to think if it, it may just be possible.

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Posted by Joel C. Miller on 03/01/2017 at 8:16 AM

Re: “I-25: It's only getting worse

just wondering what happend to the light rail that was to be coming to colo springs someone needs to bring this up in next city and county meetings as this is a major need as we really need this we are growing faster and faster. disabled senior thanks

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Posted by Bradford E Moreno on 02/24/2017 at 12:44 AM

Re: “Richard Skorman's unfinished story

I really don't see this as Mr Skorman seeking a "fitting ending" to his story. After all, he is only 64! I see him as a dynamic man with a truly inclusive vision for our community. Wish I lived in District 3.

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Posted by Elle Ameno on 01/26/2017 at 9:22 PM

Re: “Richard Skorman's unfinished story

a good person, wish him the best

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Posted by apathetic on 01/25/2017 at 11:10 AM

Re: “Springs parks ballot issue deserves vote in April election

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Posted by Robert Gentry on 01/16/2017 at 11:49 AM

Re: “Chancellor's perfect exit from UCCS

This was a wonderful article, for a wonderful Chancellor! Enjoy your well deserved retirement!

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Posted by Leslie Roberts on 12/29/2016 at 8:36 AM

Re: “Election view outside Colorado

Steve Bannon, Joe Corsi and a legion of others have made personal fortunes making up fictitious stories about the Clintons. The more egregious the lie, the louder they scream it. Think Joseph Goebbels. That the American voter is so self involved as to avoid paying attention to anything other than what potty-mouth Trump and his thugs dole out then we are truly lost.

I, for one, will continue to fight.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 12/14/2016 at 3:42 PM

Re: “Pledger: ahead of his time

a working man for the working man

Posted by apathetic on 12/14/2016 at 2:21 PM

Re: “Every vote does matter — so do your duty

Longinos Gonzalez is the much better candidate in commissioner district 4. He brings much needed diversity to local leadership and has been an advocate for poor neighborhoods, at-risk youth, and veterans issues. He is also a political outsider who won a surprise, upset victory in his primary.

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