"Gun Clutchers" "Gun Nuts" etc etc. Name calling reduces your credibility to zero. Your make believe majority does not exist. Your arguments have no basis in truth. Your "sensible" is absurd. The only "majority" that wants Americans disarmed (and yes, that is the ultimate goal) are criminals.
I could go on and on but I have made my point. The Constitution cannot be re-written and my Rights are already eroded enough that I will simply ignore any more legislation. Will they imprison me? Maybe but that is the tyranny free people hope to never see. No one person will be immune and when you need protection then I suggest calling a police officer. They will show up eventually to photograph what the outlaw did because outlaws will always be armed. Police will never ever protect you. The enforce the laws and are nothing more than hired guns for prosecutors.
Any sane person can see that laws change nothing. Asking for for more laws to add to the 25,000 plus gun laws already enacted makes it clear that our government is dumb and so are the ones demanding more laws.
I do not care about the victims or their families and neither do the gun control advocates care. You cry crocodile tears. I would talk to them but I would tell them to learn to PROTECT themselves and their families. Not one person who drones on about how they care for the victims could tell me names of the victims. What about those that do the shooting? They are victims of mental illness. Where is the (your) compassion? I see none. Hypocrites. Want to curb violence then work in the mental health field and you might actually save lives. Hypocrites, liars, filled with hatred and seriously lacking in education yet continue to call others "rednecks" because they believe in the Bill of Rights! Bigots and racists. You are against the political process (recall voting) against The Bill of Rights and promote big government. Hypocrite, liar and government shill. What a pathetic life you lead.
Background checks often return erroneous denials but some will be surprised later on. If you have a "prescription" for marijuana (the drug this paper loves to promote) then you have documented your use of illegal drugs and have lost your Right to own firearms. Clinton, Bush and Obama cannot legally own firearms. They all admitted to illegal drug use! I recall Obama denying he was black until he was elected then he is suddenly "black". Hypocrite and Commander-in-Chief with the luxury of armed guards for life. Not too long ago blacks had no Rights at all. Why do you want to go back to those kind of days? Nobody protects me but me and I am wondering if I will be able to do that in the future. So is there compassion for me? I may be a victim of violence someday because of "gun control nuts". What makes terrorists successful such as they were on 9/11? They know that most Americans will not defend themselves, they will just sit and watch others die. Americans have been conditioned to be weaklings. When a mentally ill terrorists opens fire in a movie theater he creates many victims. This is what "gun control" does and this is the end result. This is the result of morons like you pleading for "gun control". Now you want more? No thank you. You wish to disarm law-abiding citizens? Why? Why don't you go out every night and look for outlaws? If you see what looks to be an outlaw ask them if they are. If they say "yes" then ask for their firearms. Too sacred I bet.
The Bill of Rights cannot be changed. If you believe it can be then do tell. How does one go about that? If it is possible then I will attack the First Amendment. Just erase it. I will shut you up and shut down the Idiotic Indy Ignorant. Rap, hip-hop and crappy adult contemporary lyrics-gone. Christmas songs, Christmas sales, Christmas everything-gone. Political speeches-gone. Stupid comments-prison time. Rick Tosches-gone,gone,gone and good riddance. He is a carrier of stupidity. Stamp out stupid! Yes that sounds all pretty ignorant does it not?
A successful recall made my day and so did 2 million bikers descending on Washington DC to show Muslims and the rest of the world that we are done with their nonsense. The National Park Service denied the bikers a permit! The bikers rode in anyway. The Park Service does not own this country... Land of the Free, Home of the Brave.
So did you hear about the Mayor and his cronies? The go to The Mining Exchange to eat and meet but there is another large group eating and meeting already seated. There is plenty of room for all but Mayor Megalomaniac demands the other group be ousted. The outcome? The other group is ousted! The day before the Mayor is handing out muffins in the city parking garage as "customer appreciation"! Has he announced his new parking space yet? Enclosed, bullet resistant, homeless resistant, total security. He has city building employees doing "shooting drills"! In case of shooters. You need a floor pass to into the city building. One pass, one floor. Want to go to another floor? Get another pass. New security system for his personal office costing tens of thousands! Turn the street lights back off, we can walk in the dark but at night it is even darker. Dark streets and no smokers in the park! Yes, he cares. Yes, big fat government. That's who I want controlling me! They think you are stupid and they are right.
Oh looky! I managed to get two dislikes already. Apparently there are a couple people out there who are offended by facts and reason. They dislike it when people tell them the truth instead of spoon feeding them the pablum they want to hear.
What do the following shootings all have in common?
The Sikh Temple shooting. The Tucson shooting. The Virginia Tech shooting. The Ft Hood shooting. The Aurora shooting.
Answer: The gunmen in all of them passed background checks when they bough their guns. The Sikh Temple gunman passed at least one. The Tucson gunman passed one. The Virginia Tech gunman passed two. The Ft Hood gunman passed three AND even had a security clearance. The Aurora gunman passed four.
"Why? Because they supported reasonable bills "
How are ineffective, unenforceable bills "reasonable"?
Lest you forget, the Aurora gunman PASSED background checks. Therefore, making them applicable to private sales would not have done anything to prevent the shooting.
And if he had been limited to 15 shot mags, his AR-15 would not have jammed. He would have been able to reload and continue shooting just as easily as he transitioned to the other firearms. Remember the Sandy Hook shooting? It appears that gunman reloaded between 6 and 9 times during his rampage.
Come on Tosches, use your head for something other than a convenient place to keep your sunglasses.
I expect this kind of bias and misinformation from the Gagzette and Faux News. The Indy should do better.
"Jessica Ghawi was hit with six of the hundreds of rounds unleashed that night by a worthless man with a staggering amount of weaponry and ammunition. Six bullets from an AR-15 assault rifle. "
Oh boy... where to begin.
The AR-15 jammed after about 45 shots, after which the gunman transition to a shotgun (5 to 8 shots) and handgun (15 shots). In total, less than 100 shots were fired -- not "hundreds".
The AR-15 is NOT an assault rifle.
But, don't let little pesky things like facts get in your way.
nobody is taking your precious guns!!! most everyone can still get a concealed permit and carry most places. if you don't want background checks so whack jobs can't buy guns then say that. if you want to look like Rambo with a BIG gun and BIG magazine then say that. the new laws only address these two things so stop the nra gunut talk and debate the actual laws.
The Lt Gov. refers to "Us" as in "them or us". Who is he really talking about? DeRanger speaks of a beat up pick up truck in the south side of our "village". It is more like a "city" and what is the point of mentioning "south"? Is it because the south side of town has more Hispanics and people of the Negro persuasion? You know, diverse. As in "celebrate"? As he once said did he not? Bumper stickers representing Freedom of Expression as in the way Mr. Tosches makes money! Referring to those who know that laws most often do not stop the ever present sociopaths and mentally deranged from doing what they do by unwittingly begging us to buckle under to the same defective people. Drug laws that are barely one hundred years old have not deterred any drug use but have made government a bigger danger to citizens than the drugs themselves. So more laws are created to repair the flaws in the original again and again. The never ending cycle of lies has finally fallen apart revealing the truth but some refuse to see.
When anti-gun advocates need help they call police because police have guns. What part of the nature of guns changes in the hands of police? Police are not obligated to protect any citizen and on average each officer per capita in any city has over 1,000 private citizens to "protect". Where are they when the shooting starts? Citizens think carrying a weapon is illegal so they become victims. The result of "gun control" is blatantly obvious:The unarmed, unprotected are targets for a miniscule fraction of the mentally unsound. Then the name-calling and ridicule begins in earnest by cowards like Tosches.
We have witnessed here a display of ignorance at its best. Backward thinking and bigotry from an obvious elitist who is a scholar of nothing at all but a pro at insulting law-abiding citizens. I live in the south part of town, I drive a pick-up and I wish to enjoy my Rights without being attacked in print by a mental midget such as Mr. Tosches.
To believe that government is there to control you and police are the only ones to trust with weapons while insinuating certain parts of the city are less than acceptable because of minorities is cause for alarm. A "newspaper" that has a section devoted to marijuana which is illegal yet pathetically parades out a body (over again) without shame boggles the sane persons mind. How does garbage like this even see the light of day?
There is not a majority wanting The Bill of Rights stripped bare but it is being stripped and it has been occurring for quite some time. Government is out of control and those that cannot see it are blind. I have put forth the challenge to Tosches to meet with me several times so that he might tell me how his twisted logic will work in the real world. No response is no surprise. As I said, he is an elitist and those who feel that our Rights are negotiable are dead wrong.
When our representatives do not represent us they are abusing their position and need to lose it. Eliminate one Right and they are all gone in no time but you will not read about it, the blood the author thrives on, in newspapers because in the end "they" will not allow "us" to write or read or think. "I have a rifle and I am a hunter and I want sensible background checks and one bullet" is a sentence conjured up by very dangerous idiots that will never sway a logical man. Only a fool pins their hopes and future on trust in government. It is littered with sociopaths who blatantly lied while campaigning to secure authority for themselves. They all lie and we know it. That is why we do not give them absolute power. History and human nature should have taught you that.
I will say again, if you do not want your Rights I do not care, give them up but you have no Right to intrude in my life, deny me of my Rights or dictate how I shall live under The Constitution: It does not allow it. Opinions and interpretations are just that and The Bill of Rights grants me every Right to defend myself. It is tragic that innocent people lose their lives but the cost of Freedom is high. I will not live under tyranny or a dictatorship just because a small portion of citizens are deluded and live in constant fear brought about by the manipulation of the elite. That cost is much higher.
Tosches and his fans are the very reason we need what he says we do not but he is free to say it and I support that fact. The irony is that he does not!
You gun clutchers just don't get it. Your 2nd Amendment right CAN be regulated by the majority of the people. That is exactly how this Republic works.
We want universal background checks, and we want military grade weaponry off our streets and out of our neighborhoods. And that's what is going to happen.
And before you even say it: Just because a criminal might get their hands on 30-round magazines doesn't mean that we shouldn't ban them. We outlaw murder, but people still kill. We outlaw heroin, but people still make fortunes selling it while others destroy their lives using it. Are you saying that, because a law might be violated, we shouldn't establish the law? Insane.
And before you even say this: You aren't Rambo. Sorry to burst your bubble. You aren't gonna stop the next mass murderer with your AK-47. You just aren't.
Rob Harris. Klebold and Harris caused all that terror with ten-round magazines? That's your argument?
There are also laws banning murder. There are laws banning the possession of narcotics. There are even laws against speeding. Laws are widely disregarded on a daily basis. I would just like to point out that "limiting the size of magazines" or "increasing background checks on gun purchases" will not mean shit to someone who wants to get their hands on a weapon with the intention of harming another living human being. Maybe we should attack this problem at its root, by showing compassion and understanding towards our fellow man in their time of need.
What do Aurora, Sandy Hook, Ft Hood, Columbine, and Virginia Tech all have in common? They are Gun Free Zones. I feel sorry for those who lost loved ones in these senseless murders. But law abiding citizens did not commit those murders.
Mere days after Sandy Hook occurred, at a theater in San Antonio, TX, a mass murder did not happen because an off-duty police officer with a gun was able to stop the murderer who had started shooting at that theater. Just like at New Life Church here in Colorado Springs when a concealed carry holder who was serving as a security guard was able to stop a mass murder from occurring when a murderer was stopped. What do these two incidents have in common? A good guy with a gun stopped a bad buy with a gun.
Morse and Giron and others like to say that guns kill people, but they don't say that guns also help protect people. What they really should say is that EVIL people kill people. NONE of the laws that were passed this legislative session would have changed ONE SINGLE THING at Columbine. That occurred during the 1994 magazine limit (10-round limits) and those guys had lots of 10-round magazines plus propane bombs and shotguns. And they were not legally allowed to own guns anyway. That did not stop them.
Emotions are not a reason to create laws. One of the least reported statistics is that gun crime has actually decreased over the last 20 years. The CDC study that Obama ordered did not provide the data he expected. Don't believe me, go look it up yourself.
What I don't understand is the far right tends to bitch about government spending, but then they force a special election which, surprise, means lots of government spending takes place to fund it. Bunch of hypocrites.
Great, and really depressing, point Happyfew.
"Jessica Ghawi was killed by six of those rounds from the AR-15 before the drum, thankfully, jammed"
Could the six rounds have been the 21st thru the 26th bullets? If so, if the new laws had made it more difficult to get the drum and he had only a 15 round magazine, then he would of had to reload... gunuts like to say that this reload happens instantly. this was when the nutjob that shot gabby giffords was stopped. these new laws make sense to the vast majority of people... even in this village.
Also, as Rich points out in this essay, Jessica Ghawi was killed by six of those rounds from the AR-15 before the drum, thankfully, jammed.
So, Stacy, you are saying because all guns are dangerous 100-round drums should be legal?
That makes no sense.
All emotion aside, LOOK AWAY DEMOCRATS! FOR YOU CANNOT UNREAD WHAT YOU ARE ABOUT TO READ, James Holmes used what is known as a "betamag" which is a drum style magazine that holds 100 rounds. This magazine jammed after 26 rounds were fired, as these drum jobs normally do (the AR isn't made for that, but I digress). Then he switched to a Mossberg 500 shotgun with .00 buck and two Glock pistols. Since the majority of the killing was done by the shotgun and pistols, shouldn't the John Morse legislation focus on getting rid of standard shotguns and pistols? BUT I DIGRESS... Now for something completely different. Should the same voters that approved Amendment 64 support the man that tried to annul it based on his inability to create a tax scheme based on the sale of marijuana? This little bit of midnight action occured and earned Morse the title of "Worst pot politician". He ignored Republicans with guns, and he ignored Independents and Democrats with the pot. No matter what side your on, Morse is on the other. Recall any politician that blatantly ignores your voice! http://blog.sfgate.com/smellthetruth/2013/…
Thank you Rich for reminding us all what is really at stake in this recall.
Rich, this is beautiful. Thank you. You've reminded us of why it's so, so important that we NEVER allow the kind of thinking that provoked this travesty of a recall to prevail.
Thank you for this thought-provoking editorial. I wish recall supporters also had an opportunity to discuss gun laws with victims of gun violence. Sadly, it seems that the only way recall and gun supporters (often, one in the same) may change their position on the latter is if they, too, directly experience the tragedy and aftermath of gun-related violence.
As for the recall itself, please show me where ideological differences are grounds to attempt to remove public officials from office. Laws pertaining to recalls surely must be rewritten to better define the actions for which elected officials may face a recall.
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