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Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

Mr. K--,

The transcript shows that after getting away from the cops at the truck (him and the police was both in the truck) and running away (, then he ran ), Brown turned back (next thing I know he doubled back toward him) and was coming back at the cops even after the cops started shooting (but he kept coming toward him) and was running at them (the dude started running).

That would indicate "charging" at the officer.

"Apparently, this witness did not know that Brown had already been shot once, before he "doubled back" on the officer."

If so, he would have been shot in the back. The autopsy indicates all the shots were in the front.

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Posted by Dave H on 08/21/2014 at 11:42 AM

Re: “Jenkins to donate land for Olympic museum

Jenkin's gift of a property no one wants to buy at the price Jenkins is asking will provide him with a tax writeoff, which is the next best thing to selling it at a profit. With the iconic and visionary museum built on it, the price of the rest of the property owned by Jenkins in the vicinity will rise. Luxury condos for wealthy retirees wanting to live on the eastern edge of ATB park with an unobstructed view of Pikes Peak can then be built and sold, providing Jenkins with a solid profit. And the condos can be situated so that the wealthy retirees will not be looking at ugly Drake, which will remain where it is for the next 20 or 30 years providing relatively cheap coal-based energy for all the rest of us who are not wealthy retirees.

The museum all by itself will be the catalyst needed by Jenkins to revitalize that dingy derelict undesirable area where his other properties are located. I have no objection to this scenario becoming a reality. However, I do object to building a stadium downtown. I object to building an unwanted, superflous, iconic, visionary and even uglier than Drake stadium that will be paid for 100% by city and county citizens using our future sales tax revenue for the next 30 (or maybe 50) years as the mayor wants. Building an iconic and visionary museum should be enough excitement for our mayor, City Leaders, and Jenkins to handle. Build the museum and see what happens. Then gather the young professional entrepreneurs and let them - rather than the gentrified City Leaders - turn the URA into an urban neighborhood, if that's what they want for themselves.

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Posted by curious on 08/21/2014 at 9:56 AM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

Mr. Bennett, here is something I did not comment on in the other thread: you write, "You guys were called 'Stalin’s useless fools' in the cold war days." Yes, we were called that by the same racists who called desegregation a communist plot.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 08/20/2014 at 10:50 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

Dave, very nice transcript, but nowhere does the eyewitness say that Michael Brown was "charging at the officer." That line comes from the friend of the officer.

The bystander does say, "he kept coming toward him" but he also says "the police kept missing." Apparently, this witness did not know that Brown had already been shot once, before he "doubled back" on the officer. Another eye witness says that Brown was not coming at the officer, but stumbling as he pitched forward after being shot.

The real question is why did the officer shoot when Brown was unarmed and running away?

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 08/20/2014 at 10:40 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

Mr. Bennett I see you are too lazy to come up with two different arguments for two different threads, so you just posted the same drivel in two places. Which only shows that you are not addressing any of my individual comments at all. Your intellectual laziness explains your paucity of actual facts and information.

If you have any intellectual curiosity at all, you will find I responded to these comments in that other thread ("Rally Tonight at City Hall for #Ferguson").

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 08/20/2014 at 10:23 PM

Re: “Rally tonight at City Hall for #Ferguson

happyfew, when the first shot hit Michael Brown he was running away from the officer. Obviously, at that time the officer's life was not in danger, nor was Brown armed. There was no cause for that first shot.

When he was hit Brown turned around with his hands in the air. This is when, according to the officer, Brown ran toward him, and this is when the officer first feared for his life. According to an eye witness, Brown dropped his arms, wrapped them around his belly, and stumbled forward one or two steps as he fell to the ground. The officer fired three more shots as Brown fell. The autopsy shows one bullet entered the crown of his skull.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 08/20/2014 at 10:13 PM

Re: “Rally tonight at City Hall for #Ferguson

Mr. Bennett, there is no independent eye witness account of the officer being assaulted. The officer himself has made that claim, but no one else has come forward to corroborate it. Those "other independent accounts" are nothing more than the police and their supporters repeating the officer's account.

Even if there were some truth to your "facts" it would not change my opinion of the St. Louis County police, as it is based on their actions after the incident. The Bill of Rights is supposed to protect the citizens of Ferguson in the exercise of their freedom of speech and their freedom of assembly. The police are supposed to protect these rights, not violate them with orders to disperse and canisters of tear gas.

So, when you call people "clueless" I cannot help but think of the old adage, "People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 08/20/2014 at 10:03 PM

Re: “Hail Mary and pass the ammunition

Face it folks! Peace is breaking out! There will be reductions in force and they will impossible to stop. Just read the AF Times, Army times, & Navy Times for the reductions. Peace broke out in the early 90s and it was not a pretty sight. It will be worse for Colorado Springs.

This community is ill-equipped for a reduction in force since it put all its "eggs" in the proverbial basket of Federal largesse and low wage jobs, aka the Walmart economy, by choice. Yet, there are those in this community that rail against the hand that feeds them. How ironic. Now the gravy train is about to end and now everyone wants the status quo to continue.

No amount of letter writing will stop this juggeranut. It's wishful thinking. In the 90s the state with one of the most influential congressional delegations could not stop it. So what makes one think a few postcards will do it? We as a country can longer afford these bloated military expenditures.

None of the proponets of C4C factored in this scenario except one. Those that didn't will pay a dear price for not listening and some are the backers of this write in campaign.

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Posted by Gary Casimir on 08/20/2014 at 9:10 PM

Re: “Your mouth here (Bingo Burger opens tomorrow)

got the chance to attend the soft opening! very excited! easy to find, the line moved very fast however the cook time was a little lengthy. about 40 mins. but definitely worth the wait. i did a build your own (bacon, bleu cheese burger) and it was perfect. although they did not ask how i wanted the burger cooked it was just how i like it, nice and pink in the middle! love the bun, lightly toasted and still very soft. the fries were hot and had the perfect amount of (sea salt?) on them. i also made sure to grab a couple of sides of dipping sauces to try. loved the chipotle ranch and also tried the bacon mayo...which i think would go better on a burger than with my fries. I work at the Holiday Inn Express off of Bijou so i wanted to make sure i checked the place out before refering it to guests...and i absolutely will be!! good luck on the grand opening tomorrow!!
Michelle
Holiday Inn Express employee

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Posted by Meeshell March on 08/20/2014 at 6:45 PM

Re: “Jenkins to donate land for Olympic museum

Again right where we had manufacturing jobs that were doing well and employing people with decent wages. Then the developers bought a lady mayor with dreams of a convention center. The voters squashed that idea along with the Broadmoor not wanting the competition and we got a park with a fountain that they cant keep working. Now Jenkins heard the State wants the Olympic museum more then the other things so he gives them land so the taxpayer will pay him for the rest around there. Yep were going to get the useless Broadmoor/ Bach Stadium even if we dont want it or cant afford it.

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 08/20/2014 at 5:05 PM

Re: “Join the Cowspiracy

Katie,

This is a film, not a presentation or workshop. You can read more about the film here: http://cowspiracy.com/ to determine if you would like to see it or not. This screening, made possible by Tugg.com, is a community-based approach to showing the documentary widely. The Vegan Society of Colorado Springs and the Colorado Springs Vegan & Vegetarian Group volunteered to organize and promote it. We may have a Q&A after the film, which is optional, of course.

JL Fields, Colorado Springs Vegan & Vegetarian Group

Tinya Duffey, Vegan Society of Colorado Springs

Posted by JL Fields on 08/20/2014 at 5:00 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

Mr. K--,

Have you listened to the video? Here is a transcript from one site:

Man 1: 'How’d he get from there to there?'
Eyewitness: 'Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck'
Eyewitness: 'But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him'
Eyewitness: 'Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him'
Man 1: 'Oh, the police got his gun'
Eyewitness: 'The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him
(crosstalk)'
Eyewitness: 'Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing'
Man 1: 'The Police?'
Eyewitness: 'The Police shot him'
Man 1: 'Police?'
Eyewitness: 'The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … then something about he took it from him'


And here is a transcript from another site:

#1 How’d he get from there to there?
#2 Because he ran, the police was still in the truck – cause he was like over the truck
{crosstalk}
#2 But him and the police was both in the truck, then he ran – the police got out and ran after him
{crosstalk}
#2 Then the next thing I know he doubled back toward him cus - the police had his gun drawn already on him –
#1. Oh, the police got his gun
#2 The police kept dumpin on him, and I’m thinking the police kept missing – he like – be like – but he kept coming toward him
{crosstalk}
#2 Police fired shots – the next thing I know – the police was missing
#1 The Police?
#2 The Police shot him
#1 Police?
#2 The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running … (garbled something about “he took it from him”)

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Posted by Dave H on 08/20/2014 at 4:50 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

"Why isn't there an official police report of the shooting?" -- gregR

There will be. These reports don't just magically appear, they take time.

"Have the eye witnesses been questioned?"

Yes, many have been questioned.

"Is Johnson under suspension or is he just in hiding?"

Officers involved in shootings are normally taken off street duty, but not suspended, pending the outcome of the investigation. Because of threats on his life, he is probably someplace safe.

"Where is the medical report of Johnson's injuries he reportedly received during the encounter?"

Again, it takes time for these things to be gathered and if appropriate, released. Any early release of information has to go through the DA offices and sometimes even a judge to make sure that the information does not prejudice a possible jury.

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Posted by Dave H on 08/20/2014 at 4:44 PM

Re: “Rally tonight at City Hall for #Ferguson

being assaulted does not give anyone a reason to shoot someone after the fact. the shooting occurred after the assault... murder if this is the case.

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Posted by happyfew on 08/20/2014 at 3:44 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

don't you think the police, even the dumbarses in ferguson, would have stated the victim was charging the officer from the beginning, if this really happened. kind of late to create new versions now. they did state he was assaulted at the beginning... but you don't get to shoot someone for that. if sure feels like the reason these cops are looking so bad is they are trying too hard to protect a cop that made a really bad decision.

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Posted by happyfew on 08/20/2014 at 3:39 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

Why isn't there an official police report of the shooting?
Have the eye witnesses been questioned?
Is Johnson under suspension or is he just in hiding?
Where is the medical report of Johnson's injuries he reportedly received during the encounter?

We can only hope the grand jury will get answers to these and many other questions.

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Posted by gregR on 08/20/2014 at 2:39 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

Well Mr. K, now that the truth is coming out and the eye witness has changed his story and there's other independent accounts of the officer being assaulted by the victim, what's your "opinion" now? Once again, the clueless, anything to get a good protest going. You guys were called “Stalin’s useless fools” in the cold war days. What’cha want to be called now?

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Posted by Don Bennett on 08/20/2014 at 1:47 PM

Re: “Rally tonight at City Hall for #Ferguson

Well Mr. K, now that the truth is coming out and the eye witness has changed his story and there's other independent accounts of the officer being assaulted by the victim, what's your "opinion" now? Once again, the clueless, anything to get a good protest going. You guys were called “Stalin’s useless fools” in the cold war days. What’cha want to be called now?

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Posted by Don Bennett on 08/20/2014 at 1:44 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

What I heard is that it was a friend of the police officer, not a bystander, who was repeating the story the officer told him or her. On the other hand, several eye witnesses say Michael Brown was standing still with his hands in the air when he received the fatal shots.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 08/20/2014 at 1:03 PM

Re: “Jenkins to donate land for Olympic museum

Decommissioning Drake will now be a major issue for the Mayor with the added cost of utilities now being taken on by the ratepayers who then, in fact, will help subsidize C4C in an indirect manner.

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Posted by Staci6 on 08/20/2014 at 11:55 AM

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