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Re: “Two ways Strawberry Fields swap has been forgotten already

Anybody able to copy/paste that Wallstreet article? Otherwise we have to subscribe to read it.

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Posted by Debbie Stavish on 09/14/2016 at 6:13 PM

Re: “3 ways Nor'wood is locking up lower downtown

Let's assume we only have two ways to get the area re-developed:
1. A city effort of any sort that requires taxpayer approval for funding.
2. Sell it ALL to Mr. Jenkins and let him build something.

Since a majority of voters usually vote NO on any tax hike then we'll never see anything done to fix that area if the city has to pay for it.

So, give it all to Mr. Jenkins and let him invest HIS funds to build SOMETHING, else we'll never get anything done. Voting majority in COLO SPGS care only about themselves, has no civic pride, and will cut off its nose to spite its face.

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Posted by OldCrank on 09/14/2016 at 6:02 PM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

Judge rules against Pentecostal man fired for anointing office with oily crosses

Eric Cheeley, a devout Pentecostal Christian who sued the city of Miami for religious discrimination after he was fired from the capital improvements department for anointing the office with oily crosses because he wanted to "just bless the department" had his claim denied by a federal judge last month.
According to the Miami New Times, two years ago Cheeley arrived at his job at the capital improvements department at around 6 a.m. and began his ritual morning Bible reading at his desk when he felt an unction from the Lord.
"[I] was sitting in my cubicle crying; I thought I heard what, in my opinion, God telling me: 'Look, just bless the department ... and go on about your business,'" Cheeley, who also sued for back pay and attorneys' fees, told police.
His colleagues, however, did not see his actions as a blessing.
Facts cited in a copy of the lawsuit say city employees called police to report that someone had vandalized their office, applying an oily substance, mostly in the shape of crosses, all over the CIP department's walls, doorways, and cubicles.
The investigation forced a shutdown of the entire department. The Miami New Times said employees called the police because they feared the crosses were some sort of workplace threat. One employee thought the crosses represented Santería — a religion that focuses on building relationships between human beings and powerful, but mortal, spirits, called Orishas. Cheeley, who was already out in the field working when his colleagues arrived, had no idea what was going on when his colleagues got scared at his handiwork.
When he eventually heard about the police investigation, Cheeley took responsibility and told his supervisor, Mark Spanioli, that he had anointed certain areas of the office with a special oil to "just bless the department."….

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Posted by guruD on 09/14/2016 at 3:40 PM

Re: “Two ways Strawberry Fields swap has been forgotten already

Mr. 'Word':

There are many facets of long term fiscal policy planning going to be required to ensure the financial viability of the city well into the future. Planning requiring the best minds from within the areas of economics, municipal finance, accounting and engineering in order to ensure there will be continued funding to pay for the ever ending quest to acquire more and more parks and open spaces. Parks that the city really does not even have the money to properly water and maintain!

The long term goals of the Broadmoor- Developer - and Colorado Springs Forward are not necessarily those in the best interest of the community.

The city, having close to 2B in needs with no revenue stream to fund them- due to policies crafted by the Development Community needs clear-thinking and independent individuals working on long term means to deal with the fact that the local population is growing far faster than are revenues.

Having people as Mrs Gaebler in elected office, who will unfailingly fall in line with whatever is proposed by the CSF-DVLPR community, is not the level of objective and clear-headed thinking I believe is called for.

Parks are important - but not the be-all, end-all of community needs. Mrs. Gaebler, voting against this one issue, is not the basis upon I would wish to evaluate her as to her ability as a serious thinker able to deal with the fiscal policies for the future. I personally do not feel she is what is needed on council.

While there is room on the sidelines for easily flustered cheerleaders, a strong quarterback and powerful offensive line on the field is what puts points on the board.

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Posted by Staci6 on 09/14/2016 at 2:25 PM

Re: “Glenn bows out of Denver debate

It would be useful if a date for the Denver debate was listed.

If the Post is smart, they'll invite Lily Tang Williams instead.

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Posted by Tannim on 09/14/2016 at 1:44 PM

Re: “Two ways Strawberry Fields swap has been forgotten already


Please recall that Jill Gaebler was one of the three to vote against the land swap.

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Posted by What's the Word? on 09/14/2016 at 1:28 PM

Re: “Two ways Strawberry Fields swap has been forgotten already

Please take note that national media is covering the Broadmoor Land Swap/Strawberry Fields story, in spite of the fact that the mayor and city council are simply trying to sweep it under the rug. It won't be gotten rid of that easily.

The Wall Street Journal article which ran this past Saturday (September 10, 2016) is here:…

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Posted by doonya on 09/13/2016 at 5:08 PM
Posted by Staci6 on 09/13/2016 at 4:38 PM

Re: “Two ways Strawberry Fields swap has been forgotten already

To end the decades long presence of Norwood-Broadmoor as the true executive branch of city government:

Vote out Suthers if he runs again.
Solves two problems: Suthers and Greene

Vote out Gaebler as the strongest toadie on council
(Bennett is termed out)

Vote against any candidate supported by:
RBA or CSF or HBA.

Vote against Sallie Clark should she decide to run.

Vote for Independents all the way

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Posted by Staci6 on 09/13/2016 at 3:59 PM

Re: “Two ways Strawberry Fields swap has been forgotten already

City council illegal land grab all the way. This should disgust every true American.
I hope the federal judge is not paid off and does what should be done and cancel this
horrendous robbery. This is one of the nicest ares in town, what a total joke. They will be profiting big time if it goes through. Side deal pay-offs with no public vote. The 6 city council members should be disgusted with themselves. Total knuckleheads.

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Posted by Grateful Casey on 09/13/2016 at 3:30 PM

Re: “Why City Council might have snubbed the Open Meetings Law

That was not the reason for the 'strong mayor;' it was so that we the people could hold an elected official directly accountable. Seems to be working . . .

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Posted by Kevin Walker on 09/13/2016 at 2:55 PM

Re: “Two ways Strawberry Fields swap has been forgotten already

There may be a simple explanation for the 'Quiet Zone' on the Strawberry Patch:

A) It is a highly contentious matter the public did not wholly approve of. B) If Bill Louis is involved in legal action; he out brain-cells any in local government and would not tie his name to a measure he thought he would lose. C) The six 'numbered' council members are up for re-election in the next municipal election. D) Colorado Springs Forward wants all six out of office and replaced with their hand-picked members who will jump when they snap their fingers behalf of the Broadmoor-Builder-Developer Cadre. Particularly members on council who will follow orders when it comes to selling off the electric division of city utilities.

The electeds do not want to see this matter mentioned again as it may wind up a loss when all the lawsuits make it through court.

When you are looking for votes and campaign money, it is best not to stir up a hornet's nest.

Plus, there are those who think southern Colorado would benefit with John Suthers in the Governor's chair. He, too, needs no angry hornets.

And - - the Broadmoor may yet have their sights on taking over ownership of Pikes Peak so they can have a 'boutique mountain' for their guest to enjoy!

Therfore: keep quiet and do not agitate the restless natives! They vote!

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Posted by Staci6 on 09/13/2016 at 1:53 PM

Re: “Why City Council might have snubbed the Open Meetings Law

- - - which is why almost a million dollars was spent to craft the excellently run campaign to move over to a 'strong mayor' form of government! Now they have their own 'in-house' street pimps to push the agenda forward more expeditiously through Colorado Springs Forward headed by Amy Lathen! Jeff Greene and Amy Lathen - all that is needed now is for Sallie Clark to run for council!

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Posted by Staci6 on 09/13/2016 at 10:53 AM

Re: “Why City Council might have snubbed the Open Meetings Law

One thing our mayor has not been is "transparent" in any of his wheeling and dealing. He has managed to get Council and the political activists he agrees with to quietly and behind closed doors make deals that are not in the best interests of this community. I am waiting for his eventual run for governor which is when he will proclaim how he single handedly "reformed Colorado Springs government." I hope the voting public is shrewd enough to see through his one-sided agenda.

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Posted by rms on 09/13/2016 at 10:26 AM

Re: “UPDATE: Citizens challenge EPA over Drake Power Plant

Courts give federal agencies deference when their decisions are challenged. This lawsuit is a long, long shot. Chevron U.S.A. Inc. v. Natural Resources Defense Council, 467 U.S. 837 (1984).

That doesn't mean suing the EPA a bad idea, but getting courts to change the EPA decision will be very difficult.

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Posted by Bill W. on 09/13/2016 at 7:16 AM

Re: “Why City Council might have snubbed the Open Meetings Law

Councilmember Collins has repeatedly stated executive session details are vague. More detailed information was provided on this executive session when City Council went back into Open Session. There also was a pre-amble to this Executive session telling Council aspects they should adhere to concerning executive sessions. Councilmember Knight pointed out this had never been done before. Citizens should inquire more about executive sessions so they are informed.

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Posted by LadyLiberty on 09/12/2016 at 5:49 PM

Re: “Why City Council might have snubbed the Open Meetings Law

A county politician as Mayor selecting a county toadie as chief of staff might bring forth the need to make a downward adjustment in expectations for this mythical goal of 'open and transparent' local government.

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Posted by Staci6 on 09/12/2016 at 3:49 PM

Re: “Things are getting better, mayor says

Hmmm, maybe there's another behind the scenes cabal germinating here...who drinks wine or beer?

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Posted by Vietnamized on 09/11/2016 at 3:27 PM

Re: “Things are getting better, mayor says

Gentlemen, we have something of a consensus building. Joel, even though you refer to yourself as a conservative the projects you propose to support are the very ones that have been torpedoed by the "too much debt, too many regs, too much tax" group in DC who identify just as you do. If ONLY we could have a level playing field and a free market economy. As the world economy stands right now we are about as far from a free market as we could possibly get and still call it that with a straight face. You and rms are spot on with regard to cronyism and money politics.

I absolutely agree that our first priority should be infrastructure and public concerns, including safety AND health. If that sounds too progressive then recap the numbers of emergency room visits and costs for the 20 odd million folks who now have insurance that did not have it before. It's not a perfect system but it's a start. I have advocated for dismantling the terminally broken VA Health Care System since 1991 - I wrote then President George H W Bush that veterans could all benefit from a system that has been in place for retired military for decades. It's called Tri-Care for Life, and it served my parents extremely well until they died. Obviously some tweaks would have to occur to allow for means, disabilities, combat tours, and a multitude of other things I'm sure someone will toss into the pot, but it could be done, and it really wouldn't be all that difficult. I would have had to ride a bus 300+ miles to have a hangnail taken care of by the VA if I depended on their system.

About our once amazing city...I caddied for a couple of months at the Broadmoor in the early 60's - actually made more than my father who was an Air Force LTC. The heavy hitters (not of the golf ball) were all there - the Tutt/Penrose cabal, the Holly Sugar types, and so on. I was young and failed to see how things worked, but I also lived in one of the early centers of the oil world in West Texas and was old enough to see how the real world operates just about everywhere. Money politics is not new, it is pervasive, and too often is passed from generation to generation. Tax breaks for the rich, made possible by redistricting everything in favor of the play for pay crowd (think Tom Delay in Texas), are self-sustaining. The first tax break that W signed put $50K directly into Cheney's pocket.

Of course big money wants TABOR to go away - they want all taxes for the rich to go away - "taxes are for the poor", ala the French monarchy sycophants. The Koch Brothers want the employer's contributions to Medicare, Social Security and Unemployment Insurance to go away because it would increase their bottom line. But it isn't being a good citizen or a contributing member of our society.

In general terms, we all agree to some extent. The next step is finding that courageous person to step forward into the fray and run the gauntlet of public scrutiny - don't look at me!

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Posted by Vietnamized on 09/11/2016 at 2:09 PM

Re: “Things are getting better, mayor says

I can agree with part of Joel's arguments but I do not agree TABOR benefited the State and certainly is a double whammy for COS. Colorado Springs in under not just the State Tabor Law but this community also liked the idea so much they voted in a local Tabor law besides.

There is nothing in Tabor to adjust for unplanned environmental catastrophe like the Waldo Canyon and Black Forest Fires. Then it is comical for me to watch our highly conservative right wing no tax pledge officials break their necks trying to be the first in line for Federal funds to help them respond and recover.

There is mismanagement at all levels of Colorado Springs Municipal and El Paso County funds - the spoils going to the faithful. The stormwater enterprise was determined by the courts to be a legal and appropriate fee which did not need the vote of the so called "people" to be collected. The week willed Council decided to repeal it to make their "people" happy. Unless we decide to bring in some sustainable form of revenue the continued deterioration of our region is a foregone conclusion.

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Posted by rms on 09/11/2016 at 12:55 PM

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