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Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

efcan, as far as that person still having all of his rights it is apparent that you don't get the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the obligation to follow orders of your superiors. When you raise your hand and swear to protect and defend the constitution the first thing you lose is your hair, and if you wind up in the wrong place you could lose your life. I'm a disabled vet - I had a right to live out a peaceful, healthy life, but Agent Orange has changed that, as well as numerous TBIs. I didn't have any choice, meaning my personal rights had been subverted by my military service. Think about this before shoot your mouth off.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 08/30/2016 at 10:46 AM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

efcan, your comparisons hardly rise to the level of a discussion of the separation of church and state. You can rant all you want about Coke vs Pepsi and Pilot vs Bic, but the fact remains that the individual who is supported (in part) by my taxes is working on my nickel and the Air Force made the wrong call...and has been making the wrong call for a couple of decades. Freedom of religion means the individual can make his own choices, but I don't have to see them. Somewhere in the bible it states that you should pray in the closet - the reasoning being that it is your personal, private connection with your god.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 08/30/2016 at 10:41 AM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

Now we're starting to get busy! Thanks, happy few, for joining the conversation. This once lovely city has already had one newspaper hijacked by the religious right and I really don't want to see it happen here, too. I challenge anyone to discuss their views with their reasoning and have a civil discourse that is fact based instead of emotionally charged. If we can talk about it civilly we can then at least agree to disagree and go forward with fixing the real problems together.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 08/30/2016 at 10:36 AM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

poor poor religious freaks, first they attack the forced celebration of x-mas and now they attack shoving a book of myths down everyone's throats. you just can't get a break... except on taxes... or all the slanted attention in the so called "war on religion"... or on the child molestations of your finest being transferred to a town near you instead of jail... or not being allowed to scream how intolerant and hostile you are without being rightfully chastised... or injecting your ignorance into politics with no penalty... or your fight against science that has dumbed down America. you morons should be persecuted for what you stand for... time will prove the fallacy of all religions!

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Posted by happyfew on 08/30/2016 at 10:24 AM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

Vietnamized 8/29: No. The person whose salary you (help) pay still has all his rights. Who paid for the desk is immaterial. (I helped pay for your highway. Do I get to dictate the kind of car you drive on it?) If you aren't forced to buy the Bible he has, you have no legitimate beef. He's not forcing or forbidding anyone else to do anything. If he writes with a Pilot pen, does that mean he's forbidding others to use a Bic? If you see a Coke on his desk, can you not still choose to drink a Pepsi, or water, or coffee--or nothing? Your reasoning is absurd! The Air Force made the right call this time.

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Posted by ecfan on 08/29/2016 at 9:30 PM

Re: “Seven initiatives make state ballot, two fail

"The money collected by the taxes would be used for a variety of programs including smoking cessation, medical research, mental health funding and other causes."
Government is making billions from the tobacco lawsuit alone so why the need for a tax increase? For others it is a wish to simply punish smokers and to cause a financial burden that most already suffer due to the ever failing economy (it is not a recession anymore, call it what it is: "over regulation").

So please tell me as this paper tends so often to leave many things out, what are "other causes"? List them please. Then expand on the "mental health funding" as well.

As a long time resident of this state I have seen it go from a place called "Colorado" to a Californicated piece of real estate full of outsiders that are full of bullshit.
And as with a "majority" type voting system a minority will lose and pay. This was not the intent of our former Republic as democracy is not an ideal system. Too bad we have public school systems to keep the people in the dark (stupid).

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Posted by Robert Wyman on 08/29/2016 at 7:37 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Brewery-anchored concept to occupy Carter Payne — Public Market back to drawing board

I love local food as much as the next guy, but instead of spending everyone's donated funds on "empty dreams" I really wish the CSPM would get something concrete before the next news conference, or newspaper announcement of their next location. I don't think the city is unsupportive of the idea, I think they're probably tired of hearing the "market" cry wolf. It's making a mockery of the concept and by the time they finally open the damn thing, everyone will already be burnt out on the idea, hell at this point it's already lost its allure, and it's never even come to fruition.

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Posted by Mark Henry on 08/29/2016 at 6:39 PM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

Mar Mar, when that bible is displayed publicly on a desk that I pay for by someone whose salary I pay that's promoting A religion with my money. No thanks. I can love my neighbor without any inspiration from the gov't.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 08/29/2016 at 4:31 PM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

I can't believe some of this garbage posted by the White P € N I S Party.

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Posted by longtooth on 08/29/2016 at 2:45 PM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

The religious freedom is ok. Nobody should feel offended by the presence of the Bible on a visible place.
However, if someone feels offended by seeing the bible is not promoting religious liberty, but hate. We all deserve to have a religious belief, especially if it is related to loving your neighbor and loving God. The same right rules for poor, rich, subordinate, boss, white, latin or whatever race you are. Bible is good. Remember those times when the bible was tought in schools... BACK THEN the worst crime at school was smoking at the bathroom.

Now Crime and hate rule... American people, Cant you see what you have lost? You have lost your children...!!

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Posted by Mar Mar on 08/29/2016 at 11:47 AM

Re: “Let's talk about maps

I still have Zoltan Malocsay 1991 classic "Trails Guide to Pikes Peak Country". It too was published locally. The maps are little outdated so you should consult other sources before heading out. However, the guide contains bits of local history and is a delight to read.

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Posted by moderateguy on 08/29/2016 at 7:41 AM

Re: “UPDATE: RFD narrowly avoids second recall

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Posted by Remedios Atkins on 08/28/2016 at 8:25 PM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

fishing4truth, I hope you realize that you quoted from the Hebrew scripture, not the New Testament...

Posted by Vietnamized on 08/27/2016 at 6:38 PM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

efcan, freedom to make a choice about whether you worship or not is exactly what the 1st Amendment is freedom from religion is part of that equation. In Article 2 of the Constitution there is a section about there being no religious test for holding public office. Ergo, there is no religious test for being a US citizen either. Freedom from religion is a personal choice, as is freedom of religion. I choose the former.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 08/27/2016 at 6:35 PM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

Unfortunately, Lamar, the people you elect push your religious agenda. I'm tired of being labeled as a Christian hater - I am not. But government is intended, and always has been intended, to be secular. If you want a good example of what a religious state is like try taking a look at the Taliban or the Islamic State. Not for me. Please keep your religion out of my government.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 08/27/2016 at 6:31 PM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

No where do I see Christians pushing people to learn about the gospel are making you listen to it. We give out tracks and invite people to church, we don't make you do anything. It's up to you, if you want to learn about Jesus and God. We don't hold anything against you, we just pray for you. I own a business and there are 9 Bibles at eye level in my office, never had a complete and one or two might be open.

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Posted by Lamar Cantrell on 08/27/2016 at 4:50 PM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

One other thing - while I appreciate your sentiment when you thank me for my service, the extreme efficiency and effectiveness of my artillery unit's performance in the first trial run for the Vietnamese Army allowed Nixon to perpetrate his ruse and caused the war to grind on, costing 20000 more American lives than it needed to. I can back this up with direct quotes from the Nixon tapes and information gleaned from MACV after action report that have been unclassified. You can thank me by not voting nitwits into office at the local, state and national level so we don't find ourselves in this fix again. Unfortunately my war was not taught in schools sufficiently well enough for people to be able to see thru the ruse that the Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld cabal set for us, and we're still in a hell of a mess. Speaking of hell, that's where you find it - on the battlefield.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 08/27/2016 at 2:05 PM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

Do not assume that God is not in my life. Know this - I accept responsibility for all of my actions and do not need the prayers or preachings of men to guide me. I reject the role of organized religion in society because of its historical evils - no one man can create a religion that controls others.

It sounds like you are worried about my eternal soul - don't. I am comfortable in my own life and skin and do not worry about heaven or hell. Einstein wondered why we spent so much time worrying about what would happen to us after we die when we should be working to make things better for everyone around us while we live. Makes good sense to me.

You are entitled to feel and believe how you choose - that's the beauty of our Constitution and why I would defend it against all enemies, domestic or foreign, to this day. I choose to believe nothing, challenge everything and live each day for the betterment of humanity. That I have no formal 'religion' does not matter to me in the least. Don't waste your time with a heartache over me...instead, find a secular way to bring all men together to solve the huge problems that face us and our progeny. In my life I have learned that belief is the most dangerous state of mind you can entertain - it walls you off from everything except that which you believe. Malcom X once said that a man who believes in nothing will fall for anything. I disagree. A man who believes in nothing will take the time to check things out...

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Posted by Vietnamized on 08/27/2016 at 1:49 PM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

Dear vietnamized, Thank you for your service to our country! My heart breaks for you having to go through that in your life. My heart also breaks that due to the words of one pastor, that you have turned your back on God. All men are human, but not all men are humane. All men are created by God but not all men are the sons of God, and I hope that you can see the difference some day. Please do not condemn yourself to future, eternal, torment by keeping a hard heart against God, for the mistakes of men. You are worth something. God thought so when he took his innocent, sinless son, and sacrificed him for you and the rest of us on the cross to pay our sin debt so you can have eternal life if you so chose to accept it. I cannot imagine the horror that you have been through, or are going through. I can tell you that if you read this bible, and see for yourself who God is, you will see the difference between him and all of us. If you can read it all, and hold your hate at bay while doing so, then you will see that although God gives us free will and at times we mess everything up, he is also the life giving, loving father that will give you peace. Real peace. Please see for yourself. You have suffered enough haven't you? May the one true God bless you sir! Thanks again from dad96. Many thanks also for all of our vietnam vets, who were sacrificed for nothing, whether that were able to come back to us alive, or not. There are real scars imposed on our living vietnam heroes as well. Let's not forget that. Thanks be to the families of our precious vets as well. There has been so much needless pain caused by so many things involving that war. My simple words cannot even scratch the surface I'm sure. Peace to all!

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Posted by dad96 on 08/27/2016 at 1:16 PM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

Although there may be similarities from one book to another, there is only ONE truth, thus one true book. Why I say this is there are also real differences. If there is real truth, ABSOLUTE truth which there is, then there can only be one true word of God which the bible claims to be. I am not going through all of the things that I believe to be false within the other religions, but I will say this... Jesus was beaten and died for our sins, past,present and future and on the third day after that he was raised from the dead and is in heaven as we sit here and talk. He did this for us, people who hated him then, now and in the future. He died for you if you so choose to accept it. It is not about religion, which anyone can distort, and turn into something bad. There have been terrible things done in the past in the name of Christianity, but those things are exactly NOT what Christianity is, or should be. This is about truth. This is about a LOVING God who deserves our love and respect. I am as far from perfect as anyone, but thanks be to the one true God who has forgiven me, and paid the ultimate price for me so that I can live one day with him. I am not trying to beat anyone over the head, just trying to let folks know that the bible is not the "hard faced rule book" that everyone thinks of. It is a loving guide book written by God ordained and God inspired men, to help people know the truth. I pray that you can see it some day. Please do not rate the bible on my, or others imperfections, as we are human like everyone else. Read the whole book and see for yourself. I will probably never be able to do it the justice that it deserves. Take care.

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Posted by dad96 on 08/27/2016 at 12:37 PM

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