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Re: “Legal opinion released; Zoo urges approval of land swap

Of those 450,000, a tiny fraction go to Strawberry Fields - even with Richard Skorman's guided tours there's probably been less than a thousand this year so far. Besides, most of SF will still be accessible, and will have improved trails. The opposition to this is irrational IMO.

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Posted by Jim Davies on 05/24/2016 at 9:11 AM

Re: “Legal opinion released; Zoo urges approval of land swap

Cheyenne Canyon park gets 450,000 visitors a year which is more than the incline by a large percentage. These numbers will only grow as the Springs grows.

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Posted by Mike Dorsey on 05/24/2016 at 9:03 AM

Re: “Legal opinion released; Zoo urges approval of land swap

What I'm "getting out of it" (along with hundreds of thousands of other people) is public ownership of three parcels of land and several trail easements that will benefit the public for years to come. I try to see the big picture for the whole community, and Strawberry Fields isn't as important as the Incline and Barr Trail (plus the other things we get). I have no connection to the Broadmoor, I'm just an involved local outdoors enthusiast.

btw the 1885 vote was to approve a bond issue, not to preserve the land in perpetuity. That concept probably didn't even exist back then, as that was the age of exploitation. Just as an example, Stratton Park was sold to a real estate developer around 1930 - times were different, and we shouldn't be held to some imaginary standard a century later.

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Posted by Jim Davies on 05/24/2016 at 8:48 AM

Re: “Legal opinion released; Zoo urges approval of land swap

I would have no opposition if we were to receive the kind and generous offers that Ms. Hill gave us in return for our 4.7 acres. However, this swap is not in the ballpark with this transfer. The long term neglect of this park is city sponsored. Just look at the work being done at Venezia Park. Swapping a City Park, especially one that was voted into the city, to a for-profit entity, should be the ‘last gasp of a dying man’ and not in lieu of proper maintenance. To allow this to occur will continue the neighbor against neighbor scenario rather than resolving it. Why not let them lease it? Because they want ownership and control. Neither of which is in the best interests of this city nor its governance. Please reconsider this position.

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Posted by wpmurrayIII on 05/24/2016 at 8:32 AM

Re: “Legal opinion released; Zoo urges approval of land swap

Jim theres no doubt everything was hidden until the last second when it was found out. Get real. It was just another back room deal pure and simple. What is it your going to get out of it?

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 05/24/2016 at 8:08 AM

Re: “Legal opinion released; Zoo urges approval of land swap

There's nothing hidden about this deal, and the deal has been modified (in favor of the public) since it was first announced in January.

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Posted by Jim Davies on 05/24/2016 at 7:52 AM

Re: “Legal opinion released; Zoo urges approval of land swap

The problem that none of those in favor of the swap want to deal with is this: when the city and the primary movers chose to try and hide their actions, either by presenting the swap as a done deal or refusing to release the appraisals except under duress, they so polluted the process that their valid points became meaningless.

There is a major perception of a breach of public trust. Once that occurs, one can argue in favor of any action until time ends. The process is polluted. The participants have failed to act within their responsibilities as citizens and public servants. Coming on top of a number of city issues, including City for Champions, it simply tells the public that they are not worth the trouble unless the law requires a vote to rubber stamp the action of a few.

You cannot have republican democracy only when it is convenient to the power structure and expect anything but doubt and disbelief in the system.

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Posted by Clara McKenna on 05/23/2016 at 11:42 PM

Re: “Legal opinion released; Zoo urges approval of land swap

I say keep the ponies and horses in the zoo, wait they had been there but the zoo couldn't seem to handle them and got rid of them.....seems like the BroAdmoor and the businesses they give money to, are on the Boards of, etc. etc. are all in favor of the swap and are now villianizing the citizens that oppose it....what folks are forgetting is that the BroAdmoor said NO when the City approached them about purchasing a few of the properties the BroAdmoor has in the deal. Jack Damioli, CEO, of the BroAdmoor very publically said the BroAdmoor is not a willing seller of the lands, but seems eager to get rid of the properties in a "trade" that would benefit them, over time, the most....A few words come to mind in this scenario: cronyism, coercion, bribery....

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Posted by Rubia Rowell on 05/23/2016 at 11:35 PM

Re: “Gazette fails to make disclosure in land-swap editorial

Pam, simply outstanding! Thank you for being a champion for the citizens of Colorado Springs! They deserve to know the truth.

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Posted by John C. Spengler on 05/23/2016 at 11:23 PM

Re: “Gazette fails to make disclosure in land-swap editorial

let's hope the City Council members are well aware of the when, where, why, and how the land swap endorsements are being given. Of all those in favor of the BroAdmoor taking our public land (instead of selling us the land the BroAdmoor truly doesn't want) it would appear that many if not most supporters are in some way, shape, or form connected to the BroAdmoor professionally or personally......

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Posted by Rubia Rowell on 05/23/2016 at 10:58 PM

Re: “Legal opinion released; Zoo urges approval of land swap

Old Philly Anschluss is pulling out all the stops to accomplish his latest land grab. He looks desperate at this point. I wonder how much it cost him to get the faceless Zoo board to sign this last minute letter?

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Posted by Jim Bensberg on 05/23/2016 at 7:17 PM

Re: “Legal opinion released; Zoo urges approval of land swap

Bye zoo. You have an agenda far removed from what's good for this city.

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Posted by steeverw on 05/23/2016 at 5:37 PM

Re: “Lathen leaving BOCC early to head C.S. Forward

Just back from a quick visit to CSF website (link above). I learned that the purpose of CSF is to create a dynamic & vibrant community that we will all be proud to call home. Being proud of our backward thinking, wildfire, flood water and landslide prone hick town, one that is infested with developers and bark beetles, requires that the City for Champion projects go forward, posthaste. Particularly challenging for C4C visionaries and the CSF alliance of individuals and organizations is finding funding for the unpopular-with-the-taxpaying-hicks downtown stadium/event center. But this difficult mission, which may actually be Mission Impossible, has just hired a leader who is expected to convert what is now only an idea of a stadium into a $300M asphalt and concrete great-big-gray-thing - looking not so very different from the nearby despised Drake power plant - which is to be plopped down next to the definitely-to-be-built iconic Olympic Museum.

Lathen, an early and notable proponent of building the $300M stadium using sales tax revenue without a vote of approval from the citizens - money which could instead be used to fill 300M potholes with asphalt - is in charge of accomplishing what may prove to be impossible. There's a lesson in this which is: when you want to get something done and you need someone with access to City Leaders, hire a career politician who is temporarily between jobs.

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Posted by curious on 05/23/2016 at 5:13 PM

Re: “Legal opinion released; Zoo urges approval of land swap

Apparently, NIMBY arguments are just fine when made by the CM Zoo, but not ok when made by "80906ers", as Mayor Suthers deemed the neighbors around Strawberry Fields.

But you know what, I was fine with their statement. Until.............

They made a demeaning assumption that our intention is simply "about winning". That is insulting, to say the least.

Do we want to win? Yes, of course! But what gives the zoo's board of directors the right to assume that our "intention is no longer about what is best for all involved"? Keeping public lands in public hands and out of commercial development? That matters! That is best.

The Chamberlain Trail is a great idea, but we still need to get more connections down through private properties, and you know what? Phil Anschutz, out of the kindness of his heart and concern for our city, could very easily have given the city those easements when the city first asked about them in December of 2014. But he didn't.

I'm never going to the zoo again. Ever.

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Posted by suesun on 05/23/2016 at 4:53 PM

Re: “Gazette fails to make disclosure in land-swap editorial

Picture your favorite touchdown celebration and see me doing it. Excellent catch Pam. The Gazette can't hold a candle to your reporting and the Independent.
Thank you!!

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Posted by Sdpseo Gupta on 05/23/2016 at 11:08 AM

Re: “Gazette fails to make disclosure in land-swap editorial

The Gazette has no shame. In one paragraph NIMBY bad - Another paragraph NIMBY good. The only real source of true information from the media on this issue is Pam Zubeck and the Indy. Thanks Pam!

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Posted by Mike Dorsey on 05/23/2016 at 10:43 AM

Re: “Lathen leaving BOCC early to head C.S. Forward

Not sure spelling is important in this issue. Mrs. Lathen (with an 'e') is partially responsible for the term limit fiasco that prevents her from a third term. When taken out of 'county polititics' and thrown into the realm of the community at large, city wide, she barely made 11,000 votes in the most recent mayoral race.

Obvious the public does not want her in a leadership role. She will fit in well with CSF who also have failed to achieve any of their originally published 'six pillars' other than to be a political action committee.

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Posted by Robert Gentry on 05/23/2016 at 10:29 AM

Re: “Lathen leaving BOCC early to head C.S. Forward

Lathen's name is misspelled in the caption under her photo. Come on guys!

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Posted by silver bullet on 05/23/2016 at 9:34 AM

Re: “Opponents make final pitch before City Council land swap vote

FreeWoman! I totally agree with your thoughts but also believe the vote has been paid for. How do you think each member will vote?

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Posted by Robert Gentry on 05/21/2016 at 11:03 PM

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