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Re: “Seceding from the Springs

Would be a lot easier if we sent a delegation of local gays and realtors to SF, CA to recruit 25,000 GLBT folks to move here and change the political balance of power. I'm sure they're tired of paying $1000 per sq ft for a tiny abode in a crowded city. Once they see our low home prices and lack of traffic there will be a land rush for here. As the balance of power changes we can get rid of Doug Lamborn and TABOR, et al. The daily picketing of FOTF will drive that bunch out of here and on to TX where their true believers will welcome them by waving guns and bibles as the wagon train of FOTF expats arrive in their conestoga wagons.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/16/2015 at 9:18 PM

Re: “CDOT launches weird campaign for 4/20

Why does most everyone jump to the automatic, knee-jerk, and FALSE assumption that cannabis impairs drivers much the same as does alcohol? Why let uninformed opinions be the basis of new laws? It took me very little time to do a search, and find actual scientific studies which indicate just how incorrect such an assumption is. Examples follow.

Studies Show Marijuana Consumption Not Associated With Dangerous Driving, May Lead to Safer Drivers
Anyone who consumes cannabis on a regular basis knows that it doesn’t make you a dangerous driver. Many people find that it makes them a safer, more focused driver; one that’s more aware of their surroundings and the dangers associated with controlling tons of gasoline-filled metal. Not only has this been an anecdotal truth for as long as cars and cannabis have been paired, science has also been clear that consuming marijuana doesn’t make you a dangerous driver, and may make some people safer drivers. More research is needed, but it’s hard to deny that of the research we have, marijuana hasn’t been found to increase a person’s risk of an accident. To back this claim up, here’s a list of studies and research conducted on this very topic, some of which were funded by national governments in hopes of different results.

Marijuana and Driving: A Review of the Scientific Evidence
"Marijuana has a measurable yet relatively mild effect on psychomotor skills, yet it does not appear to play a significant role in vehicle crashes, particularly when compared to alcohol. Below is a summary of some of the existing data."

The incidence and role of drugs in fatally injured drivers
"There was no indication that cannabis by itself was a cause of fatal crashes."
REFERENCE: Washington, DC: US Department of Transportation, National Highway Traffic Safety Administration,
Report No. DOT HS 808 065, K. Terhune. 1992.

Marijuana’s effects on actual driving performance
“Evidence from the present and previous studies strongly suggests that alcohol encourages risky driving whereas THC encourages greater caution. .. Drivers under the influence of marijuana retain insight in their performance and will compensate when they can, for example, by slowing down or increasing effort. As a consequence, THC’s adverse effects on driving performance appear relatively small.”
REFERENCE: University of Adelaide study, 1995

Role of cannabis in motor vehicle crashes
"There is no evidence that consumption of cannabis alone increases the risk of culpability for traffic crash fatalities or injuries for which hospitalization occurs, and may reduce those risks.. The more cautious behavior of subjects who have received marijuana decreases the impact of the drug on performance, whereas the opposite holds true for alcohol.”
REFERENCE: Marijuana: On-Road and Driving-Simulator Studies; Epidemiologic Reviews 21: 222-232, A. Smiley. 1999.

"Both simulation and road trials generally find that driving behaviour shortly after consumption of larger doses of cannabis results in (i) a more cautious driving style; (ii) increased variability in lane position (and headway); and (iii) longer decision times. Whereas these results indicate a 'change' from normal conditions, they do not necessarily reflect 'impairment' in terms of performance effectiveness since few studies report increased accident risk."
REFERENCE: UK Department of Environment, Transport and the Regions (Road Safety Division). 2000.

Cannabis And Cannabinoids - Pharmacology, Toxicology And Therapy
“At the present time, the evidence to suggest an involvement of cannabis in road crashes is scientifically unproven”.
REFERENCE: G. Chesher and M. Longo. 2002.

Cannabis: Our position for a Canadian Public Policy
“Cannabis alone, particularly in low doses, has little effect on the skills involved in automobile driving. Cannabis leads to a more cautious style of driving. However it has a negative impact on decision time and trajectory. This in itself does not mean that drivers under the influence of cannabis represent a traffic safety risk”
REFERENCE: Canadian Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs. 2002.

“The evidence to suggest an involvement of cannabis in road crashes is scientifically unproven.”
REFERENCE: Cannabis and Cannabinoids: Pharmacology, Toxicology, and Therapeutic Potential, 2002
Cannabis and Cannabinoids: Pharmacology, Toxicology, and Therapeutic Potential, edited by Franjo Grotenhermen, MD and Ethan Russo, MD (Haworth Press 2002).

The Prevalence of Drug Use in Drivers, and Characteristics of the Drug-Positive Group
"There was a clear relationship between alcohol and culpability. In contrast, there was no significant increase in culpability for cannabinoids alone."
REFERENCE: Accident Analysis and Prevention 32(5): 613-622. Longo, MC; Hunter, CE; Lokan, RJ; White, JM; and White, MA. (2000a).

The Effect Of Cannabis Compared With Alcohol On Driving
“Although cognitive studies suggest that cannabis use may lead to unsafe driving, experimental studies have suggested that it can have the opposite effect.” U.S. National Library of Medicine, 2009

Why Medical Marijuana Laws Reduce Traffic Deaths
“No differences were found during the baseline driving segment (and the) collision avoidance scenarios,”
REFERENCE: Research published in the Journal of Psychoactive Drugs, 2010

Top 10 Reasons Marijuana Users Are Safer Drivers
“20 years of study has concluded that marijuana smokers may actually have fewer accidents than other drivers.”

Risk of severe driver injury by driving with psychoactive substances
"The study found that those with a blood alcohol level of 0.12% were over 30 times more likely to get into a serious accident than someone who’s consumed any amount of cannabis. .. The least risky drug seemed to be cannabis and benzodiazepines and Z-drugs."
REFERENCE: Accident Analysis & Prevention; Volume 59, October 2013, Pages 346–356

Cannabis: Summary Report
“Cannabis alone, particularly in low doses, has little effect on the skills involved in automobile driving.”
REFERENCE: Canadian Senate Special Committee on Illegal Drugs

Acute cannabis consumption and motor vehicle collision risk
"There is no evidence that consumption of cannabis alone increases the risk of culpability for traffic crash fatalities or injuries for which hospitalization occurs, and may reduce those risks."
REFERENCE: British Medical Journal, 1999; M. Bates and T. Blakely

Marijuana-DUI Case Tossed by Arizona Supreme Court in Metabolite Ruling
"Because the legislature intended to prevent impaired driving, we hold that the 'metabolite' reference in [the law] is limited to any of a proscribed substance's metabolites that are capable of causing impairment . . . Drivers cannot be convicted of the . . . offense based merely on the presence of a non-impairing metabolite that may reflect the prior usage of marijuana."

Landmark Study Finds Marijuana Is Not Linked to Car Crashes

Stoned drivers are a lot safer than drunk ones, new federal data show

"Stick all *that* in your pipe and smoke it!"

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Posted by Stephen Weber on 04/16/2015 at 4:46 PM

Re: “'Democracy Now!' host Amy Goodman to speak at Colorado College

Ugh. I used to think highly of Goodman until I saw a transcript of her show about Kathy Boudin. Boudin was part of a group that shot half the police in Nyack, NY, the town I lived in as a kid. She drove the getaway truck, but her most notable act was convincing the police that they had the wrong truck, so that they'd lower their weapons-- making them sitting ducks when Boudin's companions came out of the back of the truck with guns blazing. This after their first attack of the day, opening fire at the Nanuet mall and killing an armored truck guard, followed by a high speed chase across the county to Nyack.

Goodman described Boudin as a victim, while not bothering to talk to any surviving family members of Boudin and company's actual victims. She did talk to Boudin's son and attorney and to other supporters.

After seeing the transcript I'll never believe anything Amy Goodman says ever again. If she ever portrays someone in a positive light, I'll wonder if they're actually as evil as Boudin.

Here's Wikipedia's page on the event:…

Here's a summary by families of the victims:

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Posted by atomicbird on 04/16/2015 at 4:22 PM

Re: “Wild Ginger to return to OCC

khan and Elmer, we can't wait!!

Posted by SJ Dalnoky on 04/16/2015 at 3:10 PM

Re: “Seceding from the Springs

Contrary to popular opinion, there are lots of young, hip, conservative, suburbanites enjoying their low-priced, energy-efficient housing options in good school districts, who care very deeply about the city, are supportive of infrastructure and responsible development, aren't tax averse when it's responsible and are highly supportive of diverse leadership and innovation.

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Posted by Adrienne Brown Tuck on 04/16/2015 at 1:19 PM

Re: “'John-shaming,' voter turnout, Helen Collins, and more

I too want to know WHO spent $65K to recall Collins. The recall failed, but the WHOs are not giving up. WHO is Govt Watch? It's probable that Jenkins and Anschutz are 2 of the WHOs. How about asking them if they paid all or some of the $65K?. Is John Suthers, one of the City Leaders, also one of the WHOs?

The WHOs are determined to get rid of councilor Collins because she, unlike certain of her colleagues on the council, is not a puppet of City Leaders. Jenkins and other City Leaders want to convert the URA and downtown into a thicket of skyscrapers so that COS will look like Denver. To accomplish this goal City Leaders will build a stadium, remove Drake and its coal trains, and use eminent domain to take property. Vocal opponents, such as Collins, stand in their way. City Leaders intend to fill the council with their allies. And though Collins is a minority voice, City Leaders want to silence her. There is something rotten in COS - the offense is rank, it smells to heaven. The Indy could perform a genuine civic service by exposing the political machinations now concealed behind the curtain of secrecy.

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Posted by curious on 04/16/2015 at 10:29 AM

Re: “UPDATE: Arrest warrant issued for Bruce in Ohio

Neighbors frustrated over Douglas Bruce's Pueblo properties new article -
Just looking at the photo tells you a lot about this man's total disregard for anyone but himself & his self- interests. How he ever got elected to office is beyond me.…

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Posted by guruD on 04/16/2015 at 10:27 AM

Re: “Pedal pushers

Looks like the PPACG document I read was old. The new one does discuss protected bike lanes. Sorry! :-/

Posted by dp72 on 04/16/2015 at 7:56 AM

Re: “Pedal pushers

I read the entire PPACG document. I think most of its priorities are spot on regarding linking broken routes, but I still saw no mention of protected bike lanes in the roadways. Colorado Springs Urban Intervention is the only group that is mentioning this method of promoting bike travel. Bike paths are important getting you to commercial areas, but once there, people get nervous on a bike lanes sandwiched between moving traffic and parked cars. If you dont feel comfortable riding a bike lane with your kids, then its going to deter most recreational riders.…

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Posted by dp72 on 04/16/2015 at 7:31 AM

Re: “Toke of the town

for history buffs, want to see the battle between Mayor Bach and KC Stark @ #studioa64 - watch - warning! KC gets angry - and wins the first ever cannabis club legal battle in 78 years. let freedom ring:…

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Posted by on 04/16/2015 at 7:03 AM

Re: “Surreality show

WHO in Govt Watch paid $65K to get Collins off the city council? Is it known WHO are the members of Govt Watch? It's likely that Jenkins and Anschutz are 2 of the WHOs. How about asking these 2 City Leaders if they paid all or some of the $65K?. Is John Suthers, one of the City Leaders, also one of the WHOs?

As for Laugeson filing a complaint with the Denver Police Dept alleging Bruce assaulted her, my amateur legal advice is for Bruce to file a complaint with the Denver Police Dept against Laugeson alleging harassment.

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Posted by curious on 04/15/2015 at 11:43 PM

Re: “Change in the air around Fort Carson

The Army is environmentally conscious. Plus the Army has a Land Rehabilitation Program imbedded with it’s Integrated Training Area Management. I see more physical damage by 4x4s and wood getters.

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Posted by Jim Sweatman on 04/15/2015 at 9:55 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Arrest warrant issued for Bruce in Ohio

Doug, the felon, Bruce needs to be back in jail. He is a vile, rude nasty and corrupt person. I hope he ends up back in jail. Doug and his buddies have ruined our city with their immature and illegal behavior. Unfortunately, the ignorant people that approve of this felon, are more concerned about their wallets instead of what is good for our city. hopefully he will end up back in jail where he belongs. I have never encountered a more unethical, selfish, vile human being in my life. I hope he does not pay his taxes so that he can go back to jail where he belongs. What a piece!

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Posted by Helene on 04/15/2015 at 8:23 PM

Re: “Toke of the town

cannabis hemp fashion with #BMAV and #studioa64: for adults only.…

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Re: “Toke of the town

great read, Grifin! glad to have you at the Original Canna Club. the future is now. join us. the end of prohibition is now:…

Posted by on 04/15/2015 at 7:12 PM

Re: “UPDATED: Gazette employees reportedly could be fired for commenting on marijuana stories

Phil Anschutz strikes me as a talented, driven guy.
I suspect that, even if he hadn't been a $ 400 Million trust fund baby,
he still woulda made something of himself.
Others might say that his case makes a strong argument in favor of the estate tax.
the Gazelle ceased being a community resource some time back.
It is now an advocacy tool for the wealthiest folks in the city.
one of the richest folks ever in this area, maybe the richest, is Russ Wolfe, owner of the Flying W Ranch. He married into the Wilson family that owned half of the land in the City west of I-25.
Always the shrewd businessman, he chose to not buy insurance for his tourist attraction.
through no fault of his own, it burned down.
Then the Gazelle tried to recruit volunteers to go rebuild the property of this private property owner. The paper made it look like the tourist attraction was a publicly owned facility. Russ could have paid contractors, but the Gazelle owners told him don't bother, the little people can do it for free.
Now the City is rebuilding the Summit House, another privately owned tourist attraction, and the Gazette is cheering this government charity donation on.
Who owns it ? It used to belong to the Hill family, also fabulously wealthy.

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Posted by Brian Scott on 04/15/2015 at 6:33 PM

Re: “NORAD returns to Cheyenne Mountain bunker, sorta

know-nothing opinion here:

it seems obvious that moving any function or activity from under Cheyenne Mountain to either Peterson or Schreiver would have to save money.
every support function in the Mountain, from providing flush toilets to serving midnight meals, would cost less at a normal base.
The heating bills would be lower; the facility maintenance costs would be lower.
That's assuming that there was no problem with accepting the greater vulnerabilities to EMP, to someone lobbing mortar shells in, to a plane accidentally crashing into the base.
I take your point about these vulnerabilities, but General Keating may have had direction to cut costs, regardless.

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Posted by Brian Scott on 04/15/2015 at 5:55 PM

Re: “More issues with Gazette's marijuana opinion series

can I register with the Indy using the screen name
"the world's greatest authority on melba toast ?"

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Posted by Brian Scott on 04/15/2015 at 5:45 PM

Re: “Surreality show

there's something that I would like "Colorado Springs Government Watch" to look into.
Over the coming years,
Colorado Springs City Council seems to have promised to spend $ 1 Million to rebuild the Summit House atop Pikes Peak.
But I think that property belongs to a private party. It used to be the Hill family, who also used to own Seven Falls, and maybe the Cog Railway.
Please check if it is private property,
and if it is,
then explain why the City is giving them money.

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Posted by Brian Scott on 04/15/2015 at 5:29 PM

Re: “Seceding from the Springs

Maybe the new blood on the Council will be able to get a couple of initiatives passed before the Old Guard shuts them down. There is a short honeymoon period when new ideas are welcomed even encouraged. The last time last honeymoon produced the Community Solar Garden Tariff that started SunShare into business in the Springs.

Unfortunately, SunShare moved to Denver when the present council reduced the renewable energy budget for CSG from $10M to $2M.

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Posted by Solar Sam on 04/15/2015 at 4:41 PM

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