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Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

efcan, as far as that person still having all of his rights it is apparent that you don't get the Uniform Code of Military Justice and the obligation to follow orders of your superiors. When you raise your hand and swear to protect and defend the constitution the first thing you lose is your hair, and if you wind up in the wrong place you could lose your life. I'm a disabled vet - I had a right to live out a peaceful, healthy life, but Agent Orange has changed that, as well as numerous TBIs. I didn't have any choice, meaning my personal rights had been subverted by my military service. Think about this before shoot your mouth off.

Posted by Vietnamized on 08/30/2016 at 10:46 AM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

efcan, your comparisons hardly rise to the level of a discussion of the separation of church and state. You can rant all you want about Coke vs Pepsi and Pilot vs Bic, but the fact remains that the individual who is supported (in part) by my taxes is working on my nickel and the Air Force made the wrong call...and has been making the wrong call for a couple of decades. Freedom of religion means the individual can make his own choices, but I don't have to see them. Somewhere in the bible it states that you should pray in the closet - the reasoning being that it is your personal, private connection with your god.

Posted by Vietnamized on 08/30/2016 at 10:41 AM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

Now we're starting to get busy! Thanks, happy few, for joining the conversation. This once lovely city has already had one newspaper hijacked by the religious right and I really don't want to see it happen here, too. I challenge anyone to discuss their views with their reasoning and have a civil discourse that is fact based instead of emotionally charged. If we can talk about it civilly we can then at least agree to disagree and go forward with fixing the real problems together.

Posted by Vietnamized on 08/30/2016 at 10:36 AM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

poor poor religious freaks, first they attack the forced celebration of x-mas and now they attack shoving a book of myths down everyone's throats. you just can't get a break... except on taxes... or all the slanted attention in the so called "war on religion"... or on the child molestations of your finest being transferred to a town near you instead of jail... or not being allowed to scream how intolerant and hostile you are without being rightfully chastised... or injecting your ignorance into politics with no penalty... or your fight against science that has dumbed down America. you morons should be persecuted for what you stand for... time will prove the fallacy of all religions!

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Posted by happyfew on 08/30/2016 at 10:24 AM

Re: “When students develop intellectual property on campus, who owns the rights?

No one. Ideas are non-scarce and therefore not subject to private ownership. "IP" is illegitimate property rights.

Posted by Mike Morris on 08/30/2016 at 4:12 AM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

Vietnamized 8/29: No. The person whose salary you (help) pay still has all his rights. Who paid for the desk is immaterial. (I helped pay for your highway. Do I get to dictate the kind of car you drive on it?) If you aren't forced to buy the Bible he has, you have no legitimate beef. He's not forcing or forbidding anyone else to do anything. If he writes with a Pilot pen, does that mean he's forbidding others to use a Bic? If you see a Coke on his desk, can you not still choose to drink a Pepsi, or water, or coffee--or nothing? Your reasoning is absurd! The Air Force made the right call this time.

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Posted by ecfan on 08/29/2016 at 9:30 PM

Re: “Seven initiatives make state ballot, two fail

"The money collected by the taxes would be used for a variety of programs including smoking cessation, medical research, mental health funding and other causes."
Government is making billions from the tobacco lawsuit alone so why the need for a tax increase? For others it is a wish to simply punish smokers and to cause a financial burden that most already suffer due to the ever failing economy (it is not a recession anymore, call it what it is: "over regulation").

So please tell me as this paper tends so often to leave many things out, what are "other causes"? List them please. Then expand on the "mental health funding" as well.

As a long time resident of this state I have seen it go from a place called "Colorado" to a Californicated piece of real estate full of outsiders that are full of bullshit.
And as with a "majority" type voting system a minority will lose and pay. This was not the intent of our former Republic as democracy is not an ideal system. Too bad we have public school systems to keep the people in the dark (stupid).

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Posted by Robert Wyman on 08/29/2016 at 7:37 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Brewery-anchored concept to occupy Carter Payne — Public Market back to drawing board

I love local food as much as the next guy, but instead of spending everyone's donated funds on "empty dreams" I really wish the CSPM would get something concrete before the next news conference, or newspaper announcement of their next location. I don't think the city is unsupportive of the idea, I think they're probably tired of hearing the "market" cry wolf. It's making a mockery of the concept and by the time they finally open the damn thing, everyone will already be burnt out on the idea, hell at this point it's already lost its allure, and it's never even come to fruition.

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Posted by Mark Henry on 08/29/2016 at 6:39 PM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

Mar Mar, when that bible is displayed publicly on a desk that I pay for by someone whose salary I pay that's promoting A religion with my money. No thanks. I can love my neighbor without any inspiration from the gov't.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 08/29/2016 at 4:31 PM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

I can't believe some of this garbage posted by the White P € N I S Party.

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Posted by longtooth on 08/29/2016 at 2:45 PM

Re: “Bible approved for AFB desk

The religious freedom is ok. Nobody should feel offended by the presence of the Bible on a visible place.
However, if someone feels offended by seeing the bible is not promoting religious liberty, but hate. We all deserve to have a religious belief, especially if it is related to loving your neighbor and loving God. The same right rules for poor, rich, subordinate, boss, white, latin or whatever race you are. Bible is good. Remember those times when the bible was tought in schools... BACK THEN the worst crime at school was smoking at the bathroom.

Now Crime and hate rule... American people, Cant you see what you have lost? You have lost your children...!!

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Posted by Mar Mar on 08/29/2016 at 11:47 AM

Re: “Let's talk about maps

I still have Zoltan Malocsay 1991 classic "Trails Guide to Pikes Peak Country". It too was published locally. The maps are little outdated so you should consult other sources before heading out. However, the guide contains bits of local history and is a delight to read.

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Posted by moderateguy on 08/29/2016 at 7:41 AM

Re: “Sanders' rebellion is alive

When Vietnamized wrote:
“…this country has always been something of a socialist democracy.” …
he reminded me that the first three words of the Constitution are: “We the People”, not “Me the Individual”, or “It the Corporation”.
Bernie reawakened many Americans to the spirit of the Founders and their desire to make America a “more perfect union”. He reminded us that the government they established is aspirational, not confrontational, inclusionary, not exclusionary, and exists to make all citizens’ lives better, not establish an environment for protecting expanded Capitalist exploitation. Yes, this is a Democratic Socialist Nation, founded during the enlightenment’s heightened awareness of the Social Responsibility we ALL share in expanding the Common Good.

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Posted by asawatcher on 08/29/2016 at 7:33 AM

Re: “UPDATE: RFD narrowly avoids second recall

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Posted by Remedios Atkins on 08/28/2016 at 8:25 PM

Re: “Robin Williams, Hickenlooper and fracking, sisters' gratitude, and more

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Posted by Angel Javire on 08/28/2016 at 8:18 PM

Re: “Tyler Walker added to 'Brady list'

How the hell he still have a job????

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Posted by Rafael Rodriguez Jr. on 08/28/2016 at 3:15 PM

Re: “Sanders' rebellion is alive

I helped sponsor Mr. Hightower to speak to the Democrats in Tom Green County, TX prior to the 2012 election - I'm a huge fan, and I think he's exactly right. Bernie 'spoke' to all of us when he belabored the system for being corrupt and rigged for the rich. I would have voted for him without reservation. Now we have to avoid a Trump presidency and there is no way I'm going to split the vote. What would our world be like if the new President was favored by Vladimir Putin, his puppet master Aleksandr Dugin and owes millions to the Chinese banking system.

I strongly agree with NewTom that Bernie has had a positive influence on the Democratic platform and I would remind other readers that this country has always been something of a socialist democracy. We all pay for common services and long as some anti-tax, debt-addled sequestering fool doesn't shut the government down again (are you listening, Ted Cruz?)

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Posted by Vietnamized on 08/28/2016 at 10:08 AM

Re: “Sanders' rebellion is alive

That's a reassuring thought. He strongly influenced the platform's Hopefully we'll get a election results that will put the government back to work rather than obstructing every good idea

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Posted by NewTom on 08/28/2016 at 9:27 AM

Re: “ColoradoCare, Donald Trump, Palmer Park improvements, and more

Kyle, one other thought after I posted my last ...again, long response, sorry about that.

Tulsi Gabbard, whom I love, has strong native Samoan blood lines.

There are other Native people running down ballot.

Let's support them.

They had it right, it was the white man, wacicu that screwed things up. Let's put our government back in their hands.

Don't give up on being a liberal or progressive, we need folks like you to help right the to speak.

Just a though my friend. :)

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Posted by Lil Mick on 08/28/2016 at 9:09 AM

Re: “ColoradoCare, Donald Trump, Palmer Park improvements, and more


I can totally relate to what you are saying. I don't think there was anything you wrote that I would disagree with.

I was a "berner" for the reasons you wrote.

I agree with the use of taxes, our means of giving back and what I really liked is you didn't seem to have an issue with using taxes to help lift Americans out of poverty, to help give all Americans good health care. I had read that the dental health of middle class Americans is equivalent to third world nations. If someone questions that, I will look that up to get some references.

Those uses are what seems to give conservatives so much heart burn. Calling it a "nanny state', or takers vs. makers.

I would love to see less money going to the military, I think we spend more than enough. Stop paying for regime changes and nation building and into the hands of middle class Americans.

I think we are in agreement.

I don't love Hillary, neither do I dislike her. :) I have a lot of issues with Hillary. I do dislike Trump.

Like it or not, one of those two will be leading this nation for at least the next 4 years. Trump frightens me much more than Hillary.

Lesser of two evils....sure.

It would be nice to change our system to where 3rd or more party candidates would have a real chance of a real run in this country. But we are still in a place where 3rd or more party candidates will give the election to either the Republican or Democratic candidate. That's the problem with voting for one of them.

I don't think Dr. Stein is really qualified to run a country like this, I like what she says, but some I think is simply impractical at this point in time.

I will never vote for a libertarian, as in my opinion, they don't like "community". They want to be left alone to take of themselves and the rest of us to fend for ourselves. Obviously, from my last post, that is a problem for me. I believe in community.

I don't mind calling myself a liberal or progressive. I am an independent as far a political parties go, being a Vermonter, it is implicit to be an Independent as we don't affiliate to a party, because they don't ask.

The other reason I would vote for Hillary, is we still have the Bern! He is not going anywhere and is going to be very involved now with transforming the Democratic party. He has already made a huge difference in the platform and with some of Hillary's positions. She has moved a bit to the left on some issues thanks to the Berne.

To move this country more to where you would like to see it go, support the Revolution, support candidates like Tulsi Gabbard and other more progressive folks down ballot and it will help to continue to move Hillary to the left, ones who will push back on her more hawkish tendencies and less into building bombs and nations

Who knows what we would get with Trump. It scares the crap out of me and makes me feel good I am less than two hours from Canada. Just in case.

I think you rock, Kyle.

Stay involved, work with the revolution, the revolution needs you and I believe even with Hillary in the white house, we can move in the direction you and I would like to go. I don't think we have that hope with Trump.

Pilamaya Yelo my friend....Mitakue Oyasin.

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Posted by Lil Mick on 08/28/2016 at 8:45 AM

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