I am a progressive pagan and I would be ok having the AHA pay taxes along with all religious organizations, churches, political non-profits and any other organizations that brings in an income.
I do disagree that I want to replace God with Government. To me they are separate entities that have differing functions, and it is completely illogical to an atheist. How can an atheist replace God with Government, to them God does not exist. So, there is nothing to replace.
...and this comment that progressivism is "A religion that tells people it's ok to steal, covert, and murder for the greater good." I don't even know how to make sense out of that, but if the source is Steve Deace, well that explains it, and not even worth debating.
Unless they are involved in Progressive Politics longtooth. Right??? Will the American Humanist Association start paying taxes??? I doubt it cause they carry the water for the Progressive agenda as well. Progressive is not just poltical ideals, its also a Religion. A religion that tells people its ok to steal, covert, and murder for the greater good.
"We need to realize progressivism isn't a political ideology. It is a cult. A heresy that seeks to replace the church with its own religion. Replacing God with government. You can't defeat a heresy with a political party. Especially when the leaders of both parties are adherents to it to varying degrees. Only the church is capable to defeat a heresy. Progressivism is the heresy of this age."-Steve Deace
Dave Beckwith: While you are correct about conflating the two pieces, Amendment 69 is not the solution. In simple terms, Colorado can't afford it. Health begins with the individual, not the state and not the insurance companies.
Larimore Nicholl: What makes you think she isn't?
Bob Kinsey: Channeling Adam Smith, champion of the free market, to call for the election of the watermelon Greens, who never met a free market they didn't hate, is disingenuous and completely ridiculous. They aren't another choice, unless one wants Hillary and Trump on steroids instead of simple common sense. That's yet another reason why the only sane and rational choice is to vote for your freedom and vote Libertarian.
Sally Alberts: The Hillarbillies are no better. Yes, America has gone mad. And you can blame both Democrats and Republicans for it, because they both are guilty of causing it and continuing it.
Jerry Fallwell Jr. and the rest of you churches involved in our politics I have one thing to say to you: PAY YOUR TAXES!
In response to LibertyForAll, hoping he can respond in an adult like manner.
I will respond to one comment from his last group of posts.
My first response to him was to correct him on his comment:
"Janet forgets/ignores the fact that the Dems held majorities in both chambers for much of BO's terms, and thus, did the most blocking of either party."
That's was just simply false...incorrect.
My response was to correct him that president Obama only had a democratic majority in both houses for 25% of his 8 year term, and one of his accomplishments during that short 2 year span, was to get us out of our financial freefall and begin a recovery.
This was his response to that:
"Hey "Mick", your math is about as faulty as it gets, because annualized growth under BO is pathetic, we've suffered through the first down-grading of our global credit rating ever, and the federal debt has ballooned to $19T+."
The math I was talking about was the 25% of his term, very easy to see if you read my post.
I was stating what I believe to be a fact and that is that the worst economic collapse any of us have ever experienced in our lifetime was turned around into a recovery in June of 2008.
I also noted, it was a slow recovery, I won't deny that.
All I was saying was in his second quarter ( I said third, I was wrong, it was his second quarter), with a democratic congress, he was able to turn this collapse to a recovery. That is always the first step and it was accomplished.
I also said this:
"yes, it was a slow recovery, but the recovery had started.", so I fully agree the recovery and growth was slow, but it was both a recovery and growth, compared to the free fall we were in.
And just an aside point to LibertyForAll's last response to this, to blame the down grading on President Obama is quite suspect.
It would be very easy to say, the reason for the downgrade was due to the Republican's rather ignorant threat to not increase the debt ceiling and threaten the U.S. to default on its loans.
There were a lot of Republicans who were saying that defaulting on our debts was not such a big deal....I beg to differ and so did Standard and Poor's.
I have said this before and I will say it again.
Read those responses from LibertyForAll and see, feel the venom, the anger that this man unleashes when someone disagrees with him.
The personal name calling, labeling and insults.
The anger he emits is very disturbing and quite concerning as this man most likely has a rack full of guns.
"despicable, just another ugly means that republicans do to subvert our democracy"
Kinda like, I dunno, the DNC fixing the nominating process against Sanders so the Hildebeast would be installed as the candidate, then firing the gal in charge of it just so she could immediately hired by the Clinton campaign?
Do you ever think about the hypocrisies that you contribute here, or does it cause too much cranial distress?
'This was in large part due to the economic recovery bill past by the Democratic held congress. They also passed the Affordable Care Act during that time. Those we both huge accomplishments"
Hey "Mick", your math is about as faulty as it gets, because annualized growth under BO is pathetic, we've suffered through the first down-grading of our global credit rating ever, and the federal debt has ballooned to $19T+.
As for the ACA, costs are skyrocketing, patients are being dumped, providers are walking away and insurers are abandoning the exchanges in record numbers, but don;t just take my word for it:
"elect Hillary Clinton as president"
Obviously, Mick is okay with a lying, corrupt, geriatric, elitist, unqualified, hypocritical, Socialist, 1%er, serial-rapist enabling mental-defective in the highest office on the planet, which tells you all you need to know about him, and everyone else that "Liked" his suggestion/s, LOL!!!
Kudos Jay...thank you for the factual layout on how ColoradoCare affects businesses.
What Dan Lewis is doing is the same despicable threats that the Koch Brothers, Papa Johns and some other right wing companies including a local Colorado Springs builder (can't remember the name) did during the 2014 presidential elections. It was all lies.
They will tell their employees if they don't vote the way they want them to, their jobs are in jeopardy. It is so despicable, just another ugly means that republicans do to subvert our democracy.
It has become apparent, that republicans hate democracy, and subvert it by threatening jobs, voter suppression laws etc.
Thank you for shining a factual light on the subject.
hey the article does not take into account that once colorado care passes.... the business wont need extra insurance. (minus the 7% cost) ((( Colorado Care cost is 10% total, 6.5% paid by the employer and 3.5% paid by the employee...so he saves 1%. he wont have to fire anyone hes just blowing smoke.))) The fact he pays 20% above normal might have something to do with his losses i mean lets be real here huh? Colorado care is a good idea.
here's the portion about costs in the amendment.
(CHI estimates ColoradoCare would bring in $36 billion in its first year and cover 4.4 million people. It would be run by a board of directors and would likely go into effect in 2019, after a preliminary period during which it would charge a tax of .09 percent. When running, it would be funded mainly by a 10 percent income tax, two-thirds paid by employers, one-third paid by employees. The self-employed would pay the full 10 percent tax.)
Tannim, those who disagree with you are not idiots, are not brain damaged and probably don't have cooties.
The name calling is beneath you, how about keeping the conversation and our debates respectful.
I would like to remind my friend LibertyForAll that President Obama had democratic majorities in both chambers for the first two years of his presidency. Hardly "..much of BO"s term", more like 25% of his term, if my math and facts are correct.
During those first two years, much was going on and much was accomplished. Remember, we were in a financial collapse like none of us alive have seen in this country. By the third quarter of his first term June 2008, we were out of the recession, yes, it was a slow recovery, but the recovery had started. This was in large part due to the economic recovery bill past by the Democratic held congress. They also passed the Affordable Care Act during that time. Those we both huge accomplishments, regardless whether you supported either of those bills, as I am sure none of you Springs conservatives do, doesn't matter they were still accomplishments, meaning they did something to try and make things better for the people.
The accomplishments ceased and the "do nothing" congress began in 2010, when the Republicans took over the house and has continued even when they got both houses in 2014.
So, most of President Obama's term in office has been with a "do nothing" divided government, like 75% of his term in office, if my math and facts are correct.
What is the lesson learned from this....
If you want our Government to work for the people again, elect Hillary Clinton as president and give her a Democratic controlled congress and it will no longer be more of the same. Shit will get done!
Also.....VOTE IN THE MID-TERMS :)
Dan Lewis: at least you know what running a payroll means. The idiots promoting 69 don't.
Physicians for ColoradoCare: Heal thyself. You are clearly suffering from brain damage if you think 69 will accomplish those goals, because it clearly won't.
Brent I. Weiner: But you still have cooties.
Janet Brazill: Not getting anything done is actually an accomplishment since Congress as a rule stinks.
Hey Brent and Janet don't you know that republicans ain't happy unless they ain't happy?
"that's exactly how it went with Congress blocking him so much that he had to resort to executive powers to accomplish the many good things he did"
Janet forgets/ignores the fact that the Dems held majorities in both chambers for much of BO's terms, and thus, did the most blocking of either party. When you can't even work with liberal/regressive legislators ostensibly on "your side", you own a radical agenda, and if you resort to executive governance through fiat ro circumvent the role of the legislative branch, you've overstepped your bounds in a most egregious fashion.
In the interest of civil discourse I will say this. Many on the right tell me to fear the socialist dictator Hillary, many on the left tell me to fear the fascist tyrant Donald. I have listened to you all and I will vote for someone I need not fear. Gary Johnson for president. Liberty is what I want and neither the dictator nor the tyrant will bestow it.
Kudos to the wonderful and beautiful Sisters, could not have said it better.
We all have opinions, we have a right to those opinions and no one's opinion is wrong, uninformed or ignorant (that last part is for you Tannim).
Oh yes, kudos to TruB for your kudos to the Sisters.
We should all vote our conscience and agree to disagree in a respectful way. That's how a democracy works.
I am a Vermonter, I LOVE our Bern, we now know he has become larger than Vermont. He is now the leader of the revolution and the Bern is not going away.
I myself agree with the Bern and will support Hillary and Tannim to say my vote for Hillary is not a sane choice is absurd.
Tannim, How old are you? My elementary school was an Air-Raid Shelter, with a basement made of hardened-steel and concrete, stocked with emergency-supplies. We had airraid-drills where we children lined up, went down there, sat on the floor with our heads beneath our knees, and they turned off the lights.
Joe Scarborough: "Several months ago, a foreign policy expert, on the international level, went to advise Donald Trump, and three times he asked about the use of nuclear weapons. Three times, he asked, at one point, 'If we have them, why can't we use them?’"
Hillary Clinton is a known commodity, who has kept her head through crazy-times and a life in politics. She is not going to wig-out and end life on this planet.
I think we all know that Vladimir would take Donnie's lunch, give him noogy, and de-pants him in front of the world. Shows to go ya- Republicans ain't happy unless they ain't happy, figue that one out.
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