Rev Carter says "The very history of African Americans in America is shaped by terrorist acts of violence, rape and torture mostly by people not of color"
K- Rev Carter claimed most violence against blacks is caused by the 'not of color' people. That means whites. And note he said 'most'. His op-ed is here precisely to push this statistically false narrative.
Rev Carter also said "this violence will visit the homes of the just as well as the unjust. In Bible language, we are perhaps "reaping what we have sown."
I never said racism was a factor in the property crime or the murder. Nor did I say that The Rev's op-ed caused a black man to murder white Carrie Jean Melvin. You keep inventing things that aren't said. Voices in your head perhaps?
The inconvenient fact you cannot dispute is that white Carrie Jean Melvin was murdered in cold blood by a black man. I put Carrie Jean Melvin in the 'just' category. My question to the Rev, based on HIS words, still stands. Did Ms Melvin reap what she sowed?
Please, please try to stay on topic.
Ohio cops hunt 70 black juveniles in late night "Mob And Rob" of Circle K store. Any comment Rev?
"My question remains: Did Carrie Jean Melvin reap what she sowed?" Excuse me, but you still have not established that this murder was motivated by racism.
"It takes a warped sense of proportion to equate non-injury property crimes with cold-blooded murder." You balk at calling the "property crimes" acts of racism, without real evidence, but you have no such qualms at labeling the "cold-blooded murder" an act of racism without any evidence. I was merely highlighting your "warped sense of proportion."
Furthermore, you have presented no evidence that the murderer was motivated by this article by Rev. Carter, or by anything ever said or written by Rev. Carter, or by any other article published in the Independent, which is your main objection.
Yes, I am aware of Robert Byrd and I call him a racist sleazebag. Is that enough righteous indignation for you or would you like some more? You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I am a mindless cheerleader for the Democratic Party, as you are for the Republican Party. Once again you are stereotyping me.
For a century after the end of the Civil War, the South was called the solid South, because the White population so despised Abraham Lincoln and his party they refused to vote for anyone but a Democrat. This all changed after President Lyndon Johnson, also a Democrat, got the civil rights act passed. Johnson predicted this action would cost Democrats the allegiance of the South, but he went ahead because it was the right thing to do. Richard Nixon was the first Republican to capitalize on events by adopting what he called his "Southern strategy," which consisted of pandering to the racists who felt betrayed by the Democrats.
This is why it is essential to promote and protect the right of all American citizens to assemble and demonstrate for a redress of their grievances, because neither the Democratic Party nor the Republican Party can be counted on to stand up for us.
K - It takes a warped sense of proportion to equate non-injury property crimes with cold-blooded murder.
Each of the church burning bullet points in my original post were quotes from the CNN story I linked. They were not my words, nor did I ever use the phony progressive construct 'hate crime' in my own opinion or comments.
But Rev Carter did blame whites for hate-driven violence. What I did was point out his race baiting hypocrisy and dishonesty.
My question remains: Did Carrie Jean Melvin reap what she sowed?
K- Diversion seems to be your only discussion tactic. No one in their right mind, regardless of race, supports the Democrat-founded KKK. But that's not the topic.
In his op-ed, Rev Carter misrepresented the facts. He made veiled racist threats. He IGNORES the horrendous state of the inner-city black condition caused by Democrat policy and his brothers in race hustling.
Black lives matter you say? What about my NYC statistic?
That's the topic at hand. Focus man, focus.
Since you brought up the Klan, did you know Robert Byrd, Democrat US Senator from WV was the longest serving Senator (50+ yrs) ever until his death in 2010. He was a member and recruiter for the KKK. This Democrat continued using the n-word in public until a few years before his death. I await your high and mighty outrage at this.
"While it looks like arson, fire investigators have not seen evidence that hate was a motivation for the crime..." While shooting a young woman with a shotgun looks like murder, no evidence has been presented to show hate was a motivation for the crime.
The Southern Poverty Law Center reports:
Columbia County, FL
Thomas Jordan Driver, 25; David Elliot Moran, 47; and Charles Thomas Newcomb, 42, all of whom were members of the Traditional American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, were arrested in an alleged conspiracy to kill a former black inmate. All of the men were either current or former employees of the Florida Department of Corrections.
A 31 yr old black man was arrested Friday in connection with the slaying of a young white woman who was walking with her boyfriend in Hollywood earlier this month. The murderer walked up behind them, aimed a shotgun at her head and pulled the trigger.
Did Carrie Jean Melvin reap what she sowed?
Rev Carter- May we also rise above your race hustler lies? Investigators say no links exist between recent black church fires.
Since the murders in Charleston, seven black churches have burned in five states. With the simplest of web searches, here are updates I found on six of those fires:
1) Lightning, not arson, caused the fire at the Mt Zion AME church in Greeleyville SC.
2) Greater Miracle Apostolic in Tallahassee, Florida - Fire was caused by a tree limb falling on power lines.
3) Glover Grovery Baptist in Warrenville, South Carolina - The cause has not been determined, but investigators saw no criminal intent.
4) Briar Creek Road Church in Charlotte, North Carolina - While it looks like arson, fire investigators have not seen evidence that hate was a motivation for the crime
5) College Hill Seventh-day Adventist in Knoxville, Tennessee - ATF and other agencies said that it looked like vandalism. Nothing so far has indicated a hate crime.
6) God's Power Church of Christ in Macon, Georgia - ATF is investigating, but no ruling has been made. The church had recently been broken into, and air conditioners and sound systems were stolen.
The NFPA says that of all church fires reported between 2007 and 2011:
- 30% were caused by cooking devices
- 25% started in kitchens or cooking areas
- 16% were started by lightning or electrical lines
"The very history of African Americans in America is shaped by terrorist acts of violence, rape and torture mostly by people not of color; they're also shaped by White greed and thirst for power." Spoken like a true race hustler.
Statistically speaking, "crimes being born out of the intrinsic climate of hate in America" involving black victims are overwhelmingly perpetrated by other blacks. Check the weekend crime news from any Democrat run big city. Blacks kill blacks in far greater numbers than are killed by any other race.
Did you know in NYC in 2012, more black babies were killed by their own mothers than were born alive?
"...a visitation upon us of the violent American society that has been created and perpetuated." Have you listened to any hip hop lately?
Rev Carter, your time would be best spent tending to your own flock.
Those who refuse to recognize history are doomed to repeat it. Thank you for connecting history to the present. My constant hope is for a future where all of us have equality of civil rights under law -- and a chance to live King's dream and the American dream!
"The NAACP conveniently ignores things where they can't play the race card." Duh... an organization dedicated to the "Advancement of Colored People" only weighs in on issues involving race! The mission of the NAACP is to throw light on incidents that the participants would rather sweep under the rug, and to encourage a full and public investigation.
In our society, we abhor murder. So, any and all accusations of murder are taken seriously and thoroughly investigated. But, the main point is that we take every new accusation just as seriously, even though many previous accusations proved to be false. Moreover, we continue to encourage citizens to come forth when they suspect a murder might have been committed.
If we take racism--which has often led to murder in the past--seriously, then the NAACP is performing a valuable service for all of us. When you complain that they only "play the race card," you only demonstrate that you do not take the problem of racism in our society seriously.
"Blacks are more likely to be involved in crimes... has nothing to do with race as a physical characteristic, but rather it is more of a culture issue." Yes, it is a cultural issue. That issue is racism, and it is an issue that involves all Americans, including White, Black, and mixed.
"By far the greatest danger to Blacks are other Blacks, who kill each other 17 times as frequently as cops kill Blacks." What you are saying is criminals kill more people than cops do. Is that unusual? I am sure you do not mean to imply that the police kill more Whites than White criminals do, and I wonder what the equivalent number is for White people.
What does this statistic say about the effectiveness of all the so-called "over-policing" that Blacks have been subject to all these years?
"There are standards..." Yes, but there is no single, uniform standard, and no requirement to report any information to a central agency for analysis.
"Additionally, the CDC tracks them via coroner reports." Poring over coroner reports, trying to figure out which reports actually refer to police shootings, does not strike me as a method for producing accurate and reliable statistics, particularly as coroners do not report on non-lethal shootings.
But, not to worry. Some congressmen are planning to introduce legislation to fix this situation.
"There are no reliable statistics on police shootings because there is no federal law requiring local police departments to keep such statistics."
There are standards and nearly all departments comply with them. Additionally, the CDC tracks them via coroner reports. Don't confuse these numbers with In Custody Deaths, which can include things like a detainee dying of a heart attack. The "every 28 hours" claim that has been floating around is completely and utter bogus.
"Either way, it looks like police kill Blacks at a higher rate than Whites, as a percentage of their total population"
Per capita (actually usually expressed as per 100,000, roughly twice as many as Whites. And of course statistically, Blacks are more likely to be involved in crimes which put them in conflict with police and are more likely to become confrontational and assaultive with police -- has nothing to do with race as a physical characteristic, but rather it is more of a culture issue.
Regardless, cops kill far more Whites than Blacks. By far the greatest danger to Blacks are other Blacks, who kill each other 17 times as frequently as cops kill Blacks.
"In other words, in up to 49% of cases there was no weapon. "
About 44%. Which, by the way, does not mean that lethal force on the part of the cops is not justified being as unarmed people kill more than twice as many people every year as do attackers armed with rifles like AK-47s and AR-15s and seriously injure thousands more.
"The NAACP has bigger fish to fry"
The NAACP conveniently ignores things where they can't play the race card.
And I have not known Dave to be condescending or arrogant. You, on the other hand, frequently are.
"When looking into police actions..." There are no reliable statistics on police shootings because there is no federal law requiring local police departments to keep such statistics.
"...2.5x more Whites are shot and killed by police than Blacks..." I am not sure what this is supposed to prove, but there 5.7 times as many Whites as Blacks in America, counting only those who identify as Black alone. There are 3.3 times as many Whites if you add mixed race to the Black side of the equation. Either way, it looks like police kill Blacks at a higher rate than Whites, as a percentage of their total population--that is, if we can place any trust in these numbers at all.
"...the majority of the Blacks that were shot and killed by police actually had a weapon..." In other words, in up to 49% of cases there was no weapon. Besides which, possession of a weapon is a Constitutionally guaranteed right. Mere possession of a weapon is not enough to justify a police shooting.
"...but the NAACP did not want to address that." The NAACP has bigger fish to fry. Personally, I did not want to address this either, but I did anyway.
"...when I mentioned that to some folks... out came the 'racist' epithets against me." Perhaps they mistook your gracious politeness for condescension and your constructive criticism for arrogance.
Dealt with Rosemary Lytle in the past. She did not make a positive impression.
As a human, an American, and a minority, I support MLK's vision. I don't necessarily support the way the NAACP goes about it, I don't support those who constantly "play the race card", and I sure as hell do not support the race baiting actions of people like Al Sharpton.
I remember a few years ago when a fellow minority was trying to explain to the local NAACP (and the author) that there is no federal holiday called Presidents' Day, that it is actually Washington's Birthday and that the state holiday is Washington - Lincoln Day. You know what he was told? That he was a racist. Yep, all he did was politely inform a few folks as to what the law actually said and people started throwing the race card at him.
When looking into police actions against Blacks, what I found out was that 2.5x more Whites are shot and killed by police than Blacks, but that the NAACP did not want to address that. And I found out that the NAACP also did not want to address the fact that the majority of the Blacks that were shot and killed by police actually had a weapon are were threatening and even attacking people. And when I mentioned that to some folks you know what happened? Yep, out came the "racist" epithets against me, just like happened to my friend.
So, as usual, I will observe MLK Day in other ways and continue to avoid the NAACP.
I am reminded of Niemoller's poem/statement, "First They Came..." We like to use the word "community", but what weight does that carry, what relevance in our lives if we do not sincerely act as a community? If we do not stand up and speak out for each other? And not just so that there is someone there to speak for us, for me, in the end should I need it, but for the enriching and often beautiful and inspiring experiences, stories and wisdom to be shared with each other. Yes, people: stand up. Let's stand together.
I am reminded of Niemoller's poem/statement "First They Came". We like to use the word "community", but what weight does that carry, or true relevance in our lives if we do not sincerely act as a community? If we do n
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