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Re: “Planned Parenthood exec: Gorsuch is a poor choice

For some reason the editing program decided to remove all quotations from my last post, so I am posting it again.

You missed some of the best quotations from Jefferson, according to an article published in the NY Times by Paul Finkelman, author of "Slavery and the Founders: Race and Liberty in the Age of Jefferson." He wrote:

Jefferson told his neighbor Edward Coles not to emancipate his own slaves, because free blacks were "pests in society" who were "as incapable as children of taking care of themselves."

Destroying families didn't bother Jefferson, because he believed blacks lacked basic human emotions. "Their griefs are transient," he wrote, and their love lacked "a tender delicate mixture of sentiment and sensation."

Jefferson claimed he had "never seen an elementary trait of painting or sculpture" or poetry among blacks and argued that blacks ability to "reason" was much "inferior" to whites', while "in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous." He conceded that blacks were brave, but this was because of "a want of fore-thought, which prevents their seeing a danger till it be present."

A scientist, Jefferson nevertheless speculated that blackness might come "from the color of the blood" and concluded that blacks were "inferior to the whites in the endowments of body and mind."

Posted by Mr. K-- on 04/11/2017 at 9:16 PM

Re: “Planned Parenthood exec: Gorsuch is a poor choice

You missed some of the best quotations from Jefferson, according to an article published in the NY Times by Paul Finkelman, author of Slavery and the Founders: Race and Liberty in the Age of Jefferson. He wrote:

Jefferson told his neighbor Edward Coles not to emancipate his own slaves, because free blacks were pests in society who were as incapable as children of taking care of themselves.

Destroying families didnt bother Jefferson, because he believed blacks lacked basic human emotions. Their griefs are transient, he wrote, and their love lacked a tender delicate mixture of sentiment and sensation.

Jefferson claimed he had never seen an elementary trait of painting or sculpture or poetry among blacks and argued that blacks ability to reason was much inferior to whites, while in imagination they are dull, tasteless, and anomalous. He conceded that blacks were brave, but this was because of a want of fore-thought, which prevents their seeing a danger till it be present.

A scientist, Jefferson nevertheless speculated that blackness might come from the color of the blood and concluded that blacks were inferior to the whites in the endowments of body and mind.

Quoted from the link:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/01/opinion...
.../the-real-thomas-jefferson.html

(There is something wrong with the editor for this blog, as it will not let me display the entire URL on one line, so I was forced to break it up into two lines, so readers can find it and verify it.)

Posted by Mr. K-- on 04/11/2017 at 8:55 PM

Re: “New downtown Colorado Springs tourism project shot down

Suthers told City Council today that "unless something miraculous happens . . . " PLEEZ - NO MIRACLES.

Of course, there's nothing stopping Anschutz and Jenkins from spending THEIR money to build whatever they want next door to the Olympic museum. But these 2 politically-well-connected big wigs have made it clear that they aren't going to build anything anywhere anytime unless they can get City Leaders to give them OUR tax dollars. Glad to see the State reject this proposed taxpayer fleecing. When the State hasn't got dollars in the budget to fix I-25 they certainly have no dollars available to squander to help 2 millionaires build a stadium, flight museum or whatever other hair-brained scheme they and other City Leaders cook up next to "revitalize" downtown COS.

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Posted by curious on 04/11/2017 at 7:33 PM

Re: “Planned Parenthood exec: Gorsuch is a poor choice

In David McCullough's biography of John Adams, Abigail wrote: "It (slavery) always seemed a most iniquitous scheme to me - to fight ourselves for what we are daily robbing and plundering from those who have as good a right to freedom as we have." Both John and Abigail (Massachusett farmers), who were vehemently opposed to slavery, considered slaves to be like themselves, who were entitled, on the basis of common humanity, to the same rights as themselves. They believed that the only difference between the 2 races was the color of their skin- and nothing else.

The cruel treatment slaves were subjected to was not the primary reason for abolishing the practice. Instead, slavery was a moral issue. Those opposed recognized that the master-slave relationship was, as Jefferson - a Virginia planter and slave owner - wrote in 1785, "unremitting despotism." And, prophetically, he wrote, "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever."

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Posted by curious on 04/11/2017 at 6:52 PM

Re: “Planned Parenthood exec: Gorsuch is a poor choice

Odin wrote, slavery "It was allowed as a compromise with the goal of eventually eliminating it." Curious wrote, "the moral issue of slavery was put on the back burner, to be dealt with later."

Yet, four score and seven years later our nation became embroiled in its most deadly war, not because Abraham Lincoln wanted to eliminate slavery entirely, but because he wanted to prevent the spread of slavery to states newly admitted to the union.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 04/11/2017 at 6:18 PM

Re: “Planned Parenthood exec: Gorsuch is a poor choice

Odin, you did a lot of dancing around the issue and backpedaling, but you explained nothing, and you certainly never proved anything, much less that I am wrong.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 04/11/2017 at 5:57 PM

Re: “Planned Parenthood exec: Gorsuch is a poor choice

"Judging the actions of those in a position to effect policy in the 1780s by the 'enlightened' opinions of those in 2017 is not helpful." Except that I am the one describing the opinions of the 1780's and you are the one attributing to them the enlightened opinions.

If the Founders truly "generally recognized humanity of the slaves" then why did the South institute segregation after losing the War Between the States?

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 04/11/2017 at 5:46 PM

Re: “Finding cheap internet is not easy

Hi Stacy! That's really great and detailed reporting. I'd love to write like that. So I can understand the whole deal.
I guess part of my issue is getting the channels I want and such but yes- those bundle and THOSE CONTRACTS!

But I do get it and it's a tough argument though it sounds like you went the way of the Antenna more so. Nothing wrong with that. I like what you wrote as I feel about the same.

Me- I live my Netflix, Amazon Prime (it makes sense for me as I order so much online), etc.

Thank you kindly for a great comment. I really enjoyed it and I like hearing from other corners. That's pricey on the electric. I wonder if it's not something I could help with? Either wayI thank you for your input as I am sure others di. You are speaking at a level that I do normally.

Do reach out to me if you have some area that perhaps I can give an educated opinion on. Kinda been there, done that- ya know? Take care!
brian@techpertise.com

Posted by Techpertise on 04/11/2017 at 5:44 PM

Re: “Finding cheap internet is not easy

Did the cut the cable thing in 2008. Lived in Woodland Park. Got a broadband antenna installed from Peak Internet for $30 a month, streamed Netflix, Hulu and Cracker very well but occaisional buffering. Went to OEM parts and bought two Winegard antannae. Pointed one at Denver and one at Colorado Springs. Used R6 coaxial from Balun to receivers with Radio Shack signal booster (110 volt). In 2008 we were getting 58 stations. Mind you some were double i.e. two ABC,NBC,CBS stations, but some Indys like ION, MyTV and CW had a lot of good old shows.It was very functional. Now back in the Springs and I just don't feel the need to set that up again. Got Xfinity in three rooms and 256 internet for 130 a month. Sounds pricey until you realize that my electric bill went from $300 to $140 between Woodland Park and the Springs. My electric bill savings payes for my cable/internet with a couple bucks left over. Black Hills Energy sucks and you guys should be grateful for Colorado Springs Utilities, I know I am.

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Posted by Stacy in Woodland Park on 04/11/2017 at 5:37 PM

Re: “Planned Parenthood exec: Gorsuch is a poor choice

"The northern states (not being agricultural)..." Where did you come up with that? One of main blocs in the abolitionist movement was the Northern farmer, who felt that the south's use of slaves gave them an unfair competitive advantage. Do you know that Connecticut is a major grower of tobacco?

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 04/11/2017 at 5:35 PM

Re: “Planned Parenthood exec: Gorsuch is a poor choice

The fact that the founders and abolitionists opposed slavery does not prove they considered the slaves to be human. Just take a look at the animal rights movement. The members may believe that animals are subject to unspeakable cruelty, but none of them believes that a cow, or a horse, or a dog, are human. Likewise, abolitionists observed the unspeakable cruelty that slaves were subjected to, but that does not mean they believed that Blacks were capable of logical thinking or behaving like civilized people.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 04/11/2017 at 5:17 PM

Re: “Planned Parenthood exec: Gorsuch is a poor choice

"My point is that the same arguments and logic can be used to evaluate Planned Parenthood. "

And as I explained, you are wrong.

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Posted by Odin on 04/11/2017 at 2:22 PM

Re: “Finding cheap internet is not easy

Hi Friend, in regards to the C Springs Council- with the latest ballot measure passing it actually could help us out. I agree that it's sad the control the monopolies have.
It's why we ALL PAY TOO MUCH. I am right with you.
Thanks!

Oh thanks to Gene also. I would have added that into my article but space it tight believe it or not. That's very useful!

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Posted by Techpertise on 04/11/2017 at 1:22 PM

Re: “Could a basic antenna replace your expensive TV provider?

I will be touching on that very soon and probably next article. Thanks for your readership!

Posted by Techpertise on 04/11/2017 at 1:20 PM

Re: “Planned Parenthood exec: Gorsuch is a poor choice

Slaves WERE considered human by the Founders as well as others, primarily abolitionists, who were opposed to slavery. That was the core root of the moral dilemma - the generally recognized humanity of the slaves vs the need for slaves to maintain the plantation economic system in the south. The northern states (not being agricultural) didn't need slave labor and were the first to free their slaves. The Founders priority in the 1780s was to create a unified nation, one strong enough to defend itself against foreign interests (Britain, France, and Spain). To do so meant that the moral issue of slavery was put on the back burner, to be dealt with later. Judging the actions of those in a position to effect policy in the 1780s by the "enlightened" opinions of those in 2017 is not helpful.

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Posted by curious on 04/11/2017 at 11:08 AM

Re: “Rep. Doug Lamborn announces town hall meetings

Protest outside and inside tomorrow: https://www.facebook.com/events/1827103067…

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Posted by Bill Burns on 04/11/2017 at 10:14 AM

Re: “Colorado Springs Utilities reveals 129-year-old water valve

Cool story! What are the chances the replacement will last as long?

Posted by Elle Ameno on 04/11/2017 at 9:55 AM

Re: “Finding cheap internet is not easy

to me in csprings area we get nada in return.here folks the city council and the el paso commishes own the francise !! and i and other cannot cone to bat to get more frpm falcon bb.or porchy light .why is soo hard there with this so called council here.in calgary ab they have a whoppin 4 to 5 companies
doin there thing Why CANT WE PEOPLE !?

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Posted by Naxx Lewis on 04/11/2017 at 7:23 AM

Re: “Finding cheap internet is not easy

Here are some way to find internet providers.

www.broadbandnow.com

www.uwn.com/en

www.muninetworks.org/communitymap

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Posted by Gene Sky on 04/11/2017 at 4:07 AM

Re: “Planned Parenthood exec: Gorsuch is a poor choice

All we ask of our Supreme Court Justices is that they uphold the laws of the United States. If you don't like the law, take it up with your members of Congress.

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Posted by ConcernedCitizen on 04/10/2017 at 9:52 PM

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