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Re: “Suthers out-raises Makepeace again

"The type of watch party either matters or it doesn't. If it matters, tell me why it does and tell me about both." This is the crux of the matter. The watch parties do not matter. If they did matter, the reporter would have explained why, and would have examined the Makepeace party to compare to the Suthers party, as you expect.

The Suthers party was mentioned as a side note, a factoid of possible interest, but most importantly as miscellaneous filler to bring the article up to the right length by deadline. A person of reasonable intelligence will take this fact for what it is worth, and not form an opinion or select a candidate based on it. Perhaps some weak-minded individual would make more of it than it deserves, but the Independent cannot be held responsible for the misuse or misunderstanding of the information it reports. Besides which, such an individual will likely vacillate between the two candidates many times before the election, as he is bombarded with too much information of too little value.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 05/08/2015 at 9:23 AM

Re: “Suthers out-raises Makepeace again

MrK- I truly believe you are smarter than your posts suggest. We've pretty much beaten this horse to death, so I'll leave it at this...

If this article were under an opinion or editorial heading, I would have moved along as there is nothing to see. In what is supposed to be a 'news' article, I'm disappointed in the not-so-subtle bias present. I have no problem with citing details. For the benefit of readers and voters, fill pages with them. I do call this piece out on how details were characterized and what details were cherry picked (or omitted) to leave a predetermined impression.

I have no problem with Mary Lou holding her own election night watch party. She can spend as much or as little as she sees fit and serve as much or as little food as she wishes on as many tables as she can afford to rent. But those details are missing, while the word crafting that describes Suthers' party leaves a negative impression. The type of watch party either matters or it doesn't. If it matters, tell me why it does and tell me about both.

Same thing with the pictures. While neither of these candidates will win any beauty contests, one candidate is shown smiling, the other frowning. Without looking, I'll bet you can guess which is which.

By all means, express your opinion of the candidates. Express a preference for one over the other. But if you chose that path, at least have the intellectual honesty to call it something other than 'news'.

You are correct - there is a huge devil in how these details were presented. Do you not deplore the devil?

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Posted by PacksA9 on 05/07/2015 at 9:19 PM

Re: “Suthers out-raises Makepeace again

I stated no facts. I referred to the two events in the sentences you criticize with the understanding that my references represented the facts as presented in those citations. I left out all the details because they were already there in the article, and in your post, for anyone to read.

You "admire" my presentation precisely because it leaves out all of the details and the devil you deplore is in those details. Once again you are saying squelching information is the way to be unbiased.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 05/07/2015 at 7:45 PM

Re: “This is not a test

"You can't judge a dentist on how many of his patients have cavities."

This is a nonsense statement. Assessments are judging what happens AFTER the "dental treatment" is given. Would you go to a dentist whose patients repeatedly get worse after spending $10,000 and 9 months getting treatment? No way! You judge a dentist by the results he/she achieves for patients.

It blows my mind that so many people don't want to factor in teacher effectiveness. It makes sense why the teacher unions fight it but no one in our society should be against measuring the effectiveness of teachers if the end goal is to improve student achievement and society itself. If you've got a better way to accurately measure it then propose it but, right now, these tests are the best measuring stick there is.

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Posted by Hunter Willis on 05/07/2015 at 5:35 PM

Re: “Barrier method

- The religious right doesn't want to lower the abortion rate, it will interfere with all of their mega-million dollar fund raising schemes and mind control efforts.
- The GOP doesn't want to solve the abortion issue either, it means they can't sucker the religious right into sending them their money or votes.

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Posted by OldCrank on 05/07/2015 at 4:13 PM

Re: “Suthers out-raises Makepeace again

Well they're not 'my' quotes, they are the author's words. And if she had stated the facts as succinctly as you did, I think the story would read as straight news. But there's no denying that the author and/or editor displayed their bias in how they presented the facts in this 'news' piece.

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Posted by PacksA9 on 05/07/2015 at 8:25 AM

Re: “Suthers out-raises Makepeace again

Your two quotations mean nothing, PacksA9. Suthers did throw a party and Makepeace did release a statement. You are saying that the Independent is biased for reporting these facts instead of squelching them.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 05/06/2015 at 10:37 PM

Re: “Suthers out-raises Makepeace again

So Jan Martin is going to run a 'transition team' for Makepeace.

Martin needs a job. Specifically to keep from being completely unemployed. Inquiring minds want to know what's in the cookie jar for this career politician.

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Posted by PacksA9 on 05/06/2015 at 10:06 PM

Re: “Suthers out-raises Makepeace again

So Lathen made a radio ad promoting Suthers. It was reported in the Indy several weeks before the election that Lathen said Suthers offered her a job as his chief of staff (?) if she would drop out of the mayorial race and she told him to take a hike. Is Lathen now willing - if not eager - to accept Suther's offer, if, of course, he's still offering?

Lathen needs a job. Specifically, she needs a job that will replace the $100K salary plus benefits she was paid as a county commissioner. Nosy, impolite, politically incorrect inquiring minds want to know what's in the cookie jor for this career politician.

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Posted by curious on 05/06/2015 at 7:55 PM

Re: “Suthers out-raises Makepeace again

My point in quoting the Makepeace section was not to judge her efforts, but to contrast that fluffy mention what the backhanded accusation the author wrote in Suthers mention.

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Posted by PacksA9 on 05/06/2015 at 6:22 PM

Re: “Suthers out-raises Makepeace again

So Makepeace is gathering a team of experienced, respected leaders to bring our city to where it needs to be. Horrors! These are the City Leaders who want to build a downtown stadium in order to jumpstart the gold rush to build skyscrapers. These are the City Leaders who concocted the TIF scheme to get the unwilling and unwitting citizens to pay for the $200M stadium - without a vote - which will benefit WHO other than the developer?

I'd like to see the Indy do a major multi-page article on what the people want to build in the URA. Solicit suggestions from readers as to what WE want. As for me, I'd like local entrepreneurs and young pros to design neighborhoods of small houses for the low income folk working in the restaurants and retail shops and banks and law and dental and doctor offices on Tejon. There is a huge need for small affordable housing in the URA. But there is no need for downtown skyscraper condos and offices for the affluent 5%.

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Posted by curious on 05/06/2015 at 5:57 PM

Re: “Suthers out-raises Makepeace again

Here's an interesting example of slanted journalism. I thought this was the 'news' section...

Suthers "finance report also shows the campaign spent $2,136 for his election night watch party, a fancy soirée with lots of tables loaded with food, at The Mining Exchange hotel."

"We need leadership, not a lawyer," Makepeace says in the release, "and as your new leader, I am already beginning to gather a team of experienced, respected leaders to bring our city to where it needs to be..."

Photo of Makepeace smiling, Suthers frowning.

Thumb on the scale much?

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Posted by PacksA9 on 05/06/2015 at 5:04 PM

Re: “Ute Pass to stay open, immigration enforcement ends, female cops sue, and more

"At issue is a fitness test adopted in late 2013 that wasn't adjusted for female ability or age, which resulted in them flunking the test."

...I wonder if all the violent offenders got the memo to "adjust for female ability or age".

Or, if I'm trapped in a burning car, both my life and the life of the first-responder may depend on the physical ability of that responder. I could care less if you identify as male, female, both or none; if you are less physically capable you are a liability to the public and your fellow officers.

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Posted by christik on 05/06/2015 at 10:53 AM

Re: “Back on the bus

March came and went. Is there an update to this story?

Posted by Donna Coley Austin on 05/03/2015 at 4:20 PM

Re: “PAC attack

"Mark Slaugh gave money he manages..." Not money he earned, but money he manages for the anonymous donors who wish to conceal their identities. Far from contributing from his own pocketbook, it is most likely he is drawing a salary for his services. Not one of the people who put up the actual money he is throwing around has been named.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 05/02/2015 at 5:04 PM

Re: “Homeless shelters and programs in Colorado Springs

Don't go to the Salvation Army fresh start program. You will be homeless again with less hope and faith in humanity because they are greedy and are not helpful, you can't even follow rules because you don't know what the real rules are, the rules change at a drop of a hat. If you have children they try calling child protection service on all parents, mainly terminated ones and thats most. Case managers tell personal information to other residents. Resident manager sleeps with residents and if said no she lies to get you kicked out. Resident manager is drunk on property all the time and they claim to have a zero tolerance policy but that also depends on who you are and if your sleeping with the resident manager. I question why they still get money when they are not helping and if you don't kiss their backside then you are out. The first two months you feel safe and an positive outlook for the future but after that all you feel is stressed out because all you hear is your going to be terminated and have 20 minutes to get your stuff and get off property and then you need to make arrangements to get the rest of your stuff in about 5 days after that your property becomes their and the resident manager picks through and takes what she wants.

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Posted by helpfulfriend on 05/02/2015 at 4:27 PM

Re: “PAC attack

MrK- No PM intended.

"Save the Springs of Colorado Springs got $10,915 from Every Vote Counts of Colorado Springs, run by marijuana advocate Mark Slaugh, and paid $10,810 to Newell Ledbetter Advertising Inc., for advertising."

Mark Slaugh gave money he manages to Save the Springs. STS gave it to Newell for advertising. How is this not identifying the people and parties involved?

The reporter makes her thesis statement in the headline ('much of it untraceable'), then proceeds to debunk her own headline in the body. How is this even a story?

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Posted by PacksA9 on 05/02/2015 at 2:57 PM

Re: “Pastor Nadia speaks ...

Ger rid of religion and use rationality, experience and common sense to decide for yourself what is and isn't right. Giving credence to a fairy tail is laughable. The best version of Christianity is no Christianity.

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Posted by GurrenXero on 05/02/2015 at 1:03 PM

Re: “Ban on conversion therapy dies in Colorado

Who care's who's having sex with who? Such a petty and pointless concern. We need better housing for the homeless. How about we concentrate on things that actually matter.

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Posted by GurrenXero on 05/02/2015 at 12:58 PM

Re: “Nadia Bolz-Weber's good news

This is religion trying to adapt. It's better but can't wait for people to grow beyond these fairy tails.

Posted by GurrenXero on 05/02/2015 at 12:52 PM

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