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Comment Archives: stories: News

Re: “Strawberry Fields planning continues, county pact still alive

Thank you for reporting this Pam Zubeck and the Independent.

It is just so. Save Cheyenne's appeal has legs and the Broadmoor knows it.

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Posted by Mur on 04/15/2017 at 8:16 AM

Re: “Colorado Springs City Council: Let's take a closer look at campaign finance

Was a new record set by Lathen and Jack for the most amount spent for candidates to lose? For what Colorado Springs Forward is spending, they could be buying up prime ocean-front property in Nebraska.

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Posted by R Wehner on 04/15/2017 at 7:48 AM

Re: “Colorado Springs City Council: Let's take a closer look at campaign finance

...Ahh to have two hypocrite Christians in the same SCANDAL , Amy Lathen and soulless Sarah Jack. Yes they represent dark money that has a hidden agenda that only benefits themselves..... GREAT ! . They do not believe in a Democracy they believe Billionaires should be able to control the masses for their benefit only. We have seen the greedy "Bully of the Broadmoor" steal Strawberry Fields from the public, having $10 Billion , being 46th on the Forbes richest Americans list is not enough. He steals from the poor using shills like Lathen and Jack. Fellow Citizens let us FOREVER bury DARK MONEY CANDIDATES in this town !!

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Posted by Rick Laurenzi on 04/14/2017 at 7:03 AM

Re: “Besides Nor'wood, one other 'entity' submitted an undocumented bid for downtown land

Afraid Jim Mullen is telling it like it is.

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Posted by Dave Gardner on 04/13/2017 at 4:58 PM

Re: “Tax resisters see movement grow in Donald Trump's America

Tomorrow Friday April 14 we will hold signs and pass out leaflets concerning the amount of tax payer money going to the military (about 50%). We'll be at the downtown Post Office from 12 -1. See you there. Spread the word. For more than 40 years there has bee a similar gathering in Colorado Springs.

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Posted by Gopher on 04/13/2017 at 4:44 PM

Re: “Besides Nor'wood, one other 'entity' submitted an undocumented bid for downtown land

More insider dealing in our local club of the well connected. It's way past time to clean house in this city.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/13/2017 at 2:35 PM

Re: “Rep. Doug Lamborn announces town hall meetings

Don't expect him to say anything; he's the biggest nothing in Congress.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/13/2017 at 2:34 PM

Re: “New downtown Colorado Springs tourism project shot down

So glad the idiotic concept of a downtown air museum died so quickly, it was a terrible idea, one of the most insipidly stupid schemes ever. We have both an airport (WITH AN EXISTING AIR MUSEUM !!!) and the USAF Academy nearby to host such an attraction and do so in the right context. We have great air museums in DC, Seattle, Dayton and other places, we don't need to plunk one down here, at least not at taxpayer expense on prime city land far from any airport. Good grief.

Council should investigate why such a bad concept even got traction with the mayor in the first place. What it means is a good old boy club of local USAF retirees manages somehow to exert inappropriate influence on local politicians. With all the billions in the USAF budget let them build their own museum and stop trying to pick our pockets. There are enough millionaires and well to do types in the ranks of USAF retirees that they should chip in THEIR money to build a museum to their branch of the service.

I say NO NO NO to using any local tax money for any military museum. It's ridiculous, just like the City for Champions was a terrible idea foisted on us by the same developers who foisted the "strong mayor" scheme to pave the way for C4C. Stop as much of C4C as you can. Stop this creepy insider dealing. When outside developers find that this city isn't reserved for the same bunch of local insiders then maybe we'll get some really good outside investment here. But that's still a long shot given TABOR.

Regarding the high regard people and corporations have for Boulder and Denver, ask yourself these questions: Are there any megachurches in Boulder? Are their roads paved as a routine matter of good maintenance, good government, and not an emergency? Have they de-TABOR'd in those places?

SCRAP the crooked "strong mayor" scheme crammed down our throats. STOP unelected dudes (Jenkins, Anschutz, Schnuck, et al) from wreaking their greed upon us by only needing to buy up just that one politician. The strong mayor scheme was step one in a brazen set of plans that included C4C as step two and who knows what hides up their sleeves as steps three and four, etc. RETURN power to the people. Now.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/13/2017 at 2:27 PM

Re: “City councilors want to explore tighter controls on campaign donations

Councilors should explore ending the strong mayor scheme foisted on us by developers the other year. We don't need one person acting alone to run this city; we need a city government "of the people" not "of the developers."

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/13/2017 at 1:56 PM

Re: “Besides Nor'wood, one other 'entity' submitted an undocumented bid for downtown land

Underhanded to hide opportunities from others in the community.

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Posted by TruB on 04/13/2017 at 12:16 PM

Re: “Besides Nor'wood, one other 'entity' submitted an undocumented bid for downtown land

Norwood will get it's million dollar investment in buying a new form of government back on the Olympic Museum deal.

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Posted by Jim Mullen on 04/13/2017 at 8:59 AM

Re: “New downtown Colorado Springs tourism project shot down

A downtown Public Market - YES. Mike Callicrate of Ranch Foods Direct has been a long-time proponent of this. About 3 years ago Callicrate was ready to commence converting a warehouse into a Public Market in SW downtown, but Jenkins (correct me if it was some other property owner/developer) put a stop to his property purchase, telling him it was designated for C4C redevelopment. To the C4C developers, a Public Market in downtown COS was not a Great Idea. Instead, the visionary icon-obsessed developers wanted skyscraper condos and office buildings that would produce mega City tax subsidies and high profits. Experience of other cities proves that a Public Market is a guaranteed attraction for tourists and locals. Seattle's Pike Place Market has fish. COS Public Market has beef - or would have it ever gets built.

City Council is drawing up a To Do list, which includes utilizing the City Auditorium as a Public Market. I think Callicrate's original indoor/outdoor market space concept is a better option, but regardless, make this happen. And council member Jill Gaebler - a known proponent of local food - should be the designated councilor to do whatever it takes to make the downtown Public Market a reality.

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Posted by curious on 04/12/2017 at 3:00 PM

Re: “New downtown Colorado Springs tourism project shot down

I'm just curious. If people love Boulder and Denver so much, why not move there? I think they are both wonderful cities in their own respect. I don't want to live in either place. I love COS. It's a beautiful city with wonderful people. We don't need to become another Boulder or Denver. We need to be the best COS we can be. And that means allowing the people of COS to say what they want--to vote on what we, the citizens, believe is best for our city. If anything, Boulder and Denver have something I think would be great to incorporate into COS and that is a 16th street mall area. We need a place where people can come together of all socio-economic facets and every other distinction. Think public market which has floundered for years because of no assistance or support from the mayor's office, developers, or the city. Having seen firsthand the energy of two public markets in DC, and Ponce Market in Atlanta and knowing how much they bring to areas, this would seem to be a solution. In recent local surveys, a public market/gathering space was much higher on the list than a stadium. Seattle Pike's Place (the 33rd most visited tourist spot in the world--Annual Visitors: 10,000,000). Another one is from my old hometown of San Antonio. Why not combine stormwater efforts with creating a tourist-friendly Riverwalk with restaurants, shops, apartments, etc. SA's Riverwalk Annual Visitors: 11,500,000. Connect it to a market like the Faneuil Hall Boston Annual Visitors: 18,000,000 or incorporating the bus/trolley and maybe later, train terminal like Union Station DC Annual Visitors: 40,000,000. When people visit the Springs they come to see and experience all the beauty of our area. I love museums. They are great. But let's do something that we lack. A third space for our residents and tourists that combines apartments of all sizes and costs, shops, restaurants, public transportation, outdoor spaces, concert venues, etc. This will create an energetic downtown and will energize our economy.

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Posted by Vikki Walton on 04/12/2017 at 12:08 PM

Re: “New downtown Colorado Springs tourism project shot down

Cswilliam: "it takes broad based tax revenues, and great governmental leaders, in partnership with visionary developers, to assemble the resources - financial and technical - to create something new and great. "

Translation: "assemble the resources"=taxpayer dollars when we're told daily there's not enough for critical roles of government like roads, stormwater and public safety.

How about these visionaries invest THEIR OWN money and not ours? Not one dime of private
money was pledged for the stadium. Nobody should have any problem with the free market making people wealthy who take risks. In the case of our downtown, taxpayers and the public are asked to take the risks, make the investment and the developers are then first at bat to reap the rewards and become wealthy on the taxpayer dime--cronyism and government picked winners and losers. Just because this ridiculous chapter is temporarily closed no one should think it's over or not ongoing.

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Posted by Joel C. Miller on 04/12/2017 at 10:49 AM

Re: “New downtown Colorado Springs tourism project shot down

Cswilliam, people here HATE being compared to Boulder and Denver for some reason.Oh wait, fuddy-duddies and a lot of old farts who simply hate change. Seriously. To them it's an insult. I would love it if we were more like those two cities. Vital, open-minded and NOT so darned conservative...besides most of our downtown is rife with bars and more bars. Another family is seeing to that....

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Posted by rdee on 04/12/2017 at 10:23 AM

Re: “Rep. Doug Lamborn announces town hall meetings

The House takes off for two weeks, during which Lamborn will spend a scant 5 hours, over only three work days, meeting with the Constitutents of his Congressional District. What a guy.

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Posted by asawatcher on 04/12/2017 at 10:11 AM

Re: “Tax resisters see movement grow in Donald Trump's America

Tax protests in Colorado Springs:
https://youtu.be/yZF6uYlcKyU
https://youtu.be/rqiquK1A7SQ
https://youtu.be/onFF1kkooNk
This year there will be a local march being coordinated with a national march demanding Trump's tax returns: http://taxmarch.org/
facebook.com/events/103040433572149/

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Posted by Bill Burns on 04/12/2017 at 8:44 AM

Re: “Planned Parenthood exec: Gorsuch is a poor choice

In his initial post, Odin claims that Planned Parenthood is, "A company which was founded by a proponent of eugenics who thought minorities, especially blacks, and people with mental disabilities should be sterilized."

According to Wikipedia, Sanger believed in the 'need to limit births by those least able to afford children." No mention of sterilization, as opposed to other forms of birth control, and no singling out of "minorities, especially Blacks." In fact, "she rejected race and ethnicity as determining factors. Instead she stressed limiting the number of births to live within ones economic ability to raise and support healthy children."

Odin implies that Sanger is a racist, yet Wikipedia reports, "Sanger worked with eminent African American leaders and professionals who saw a need for birth control in their communities. In 1929, James H. Hubert, a black social worker and the leader of New York's Urban League, asked Sanger to open a clinic in Harlem. Sanger secured funding from the Julius Rosenwald Fund and opened the clinic, staffed with black doctors, in 1930. The clinic was directed by a 15-member advisory board consisting of black doctors, nurses, clergy, journalists, and social workers. The clinic was publicized in the African-American press as well as in black churches, and it received the approval of W. E. B. Du Bois, the co-founder of the NAACP and the editor of its magazine, "The Crisis." Sanger did not tolerate bigotry among her staff, nor would she tolerate any refusal to work within interracial projects. Sanger's work with minorities earned praise from Martin Luther King, Jr., in his 1966 acceptance speech for the Margaret Sanger award."

So, what is the basis for Odin's accusations? Again, Wikipedia provides an answer: "Sangers view of eugenics was influenced by Havelock Ellis and other British eugenicists who held that environmentally acquired traits were inherited by ones progeny. Sangers view put her at odds with leading American eugenicists, such as Charles Davenport who took a racist view of inherited traits. She continually rejected their approach." It appears that Sanger's difference of opinion with other prominent eugenicists was too subtle for Odin to comprehend. Instead of reading up on her actual opinions, he read up on eugenics in general and attributed to Sanger the worst that he could find. (I am assuming that Odin did his own original research, although it is quite possible he merely repeated inaccurate information from a biased source.)

Furthermore, "In personal correspondence she expressed her sadness about the aggressive and lethal Nazi eugenics program; and donated to the American Council Against Nazi Propaganda. In addition, Sanger believed the responsibility for birth control should remain with able-minded individual parents rather than the state, and that self-determining motherhood was the only unshakable foundation for racial betterment."

One final note: "Due to her connection with Planned Parenthood Sanger is a frequent target of criticism by opponents of abortion, although Planned Parenthood did not begin providing abortions until 1970, after Sanger had already died."

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 04/12/2017 at 6:49 AM

Re: “Planned Parenthood exec: Gorsuch is a poor choice

Yes, indeed, Jefferson was flawed, but my point is that Margaret Sanger was likewise a flawed individual. And just as Jefferson's flaws do not reflect badly on the nation, Sanger's flaws do not reflect badly on Planned Parenthood.

Ironically, Sanger's belief in eugenics did not result in any attempt to enforce those principles in American society, whereas Jefferson's belief in the equality of men did nothing to prevent the enforcement of slavery in American society.

I think we both have a balanced picture of Jefferson. I suggest we spend more time reading up on Sanger.

Posted by Mr. K-- on 04/12/2017 at 5:59 AM

Re: “Planned Parenthood exec: Gorsuch is a poor choice

Jefferson was flawed. No doubt about that. He was an idealist who failed to live up to his ideals, a common enough failing for which the haters of hypocrisy will not forgive him. But he was not, as the NYT article is titled, The Monster of Monticello. But being a Virginia planter with a large estate, one requiring hundreds of workers, a plantation whose income did not exceed expenses, and a big spender who was continually in debt due to his indulgence in the good life, he needed, as did his fellow plantation owners, unpaid labor.

I cannot dismiss Jefferson as a hypocritical monster when he was loved and held in high regard by Adams, who was an idealist who did live up to his ideals. The biography on Adams contained a lot of information on Jefferson, as both men, while representing the U.S. in France, became close friends. The bio quotes a few of Jeffersons opinions about slaves, some of which were complimentary, some misinformed, and some demeaning, but its human nature to demean people you are mistreating in order to quiet ones conscience. Due to Jeffersons perfidy during the 1804 election, their friendship ended, but years later they reconciled and began a 14-year correspondence where the 2 old Revolutionary comrades explained themselves. The correspondence ended when both Adams and Jefferson, amazingly, died on the same day July 4, 1826. To get a balanced picture of Jeffersons beliefs and actions, reading their published correspondence is advised.

Posted by curious on 04/11/2017 at 11:53 PM

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