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Re: “Downtown stadium off the table, new City for Champions project announced

So glad C4C is near death, it was a SCAM from the start. I hated C4C for the reasons 'curious' spoke of and over the years I've spilled my bile here about this boondoggle. C4C should totally go away except for the UCCS sports medicine facility which is a positive asset for the city and has NOTHING to do with tourism.

Taxpayer funds should not be used for stadiums or arenas; thats what "free market capitalism" should do. Funny how the GOP is always shoving "free market capitalism" down our throats - until their chums want to slop at OUR trough. Just say NO to C4C, son of C4C, etc.

If an Olympic Museum gets built it should be done with donations from fans of the games. How about seeking ESPN-Disney or other major networks to support it? There are trillions of dollars out there just sloshing around the globe looking for good investments. Did they try that angle? I doubt it, the people behind C4C are not that industrious, though they are willing to work hard at fleecing the local rubes via the "strong mayor" they foisted on the same local rubes who no doubt voted for the "strong man" disaster now in the White House.

Putting an airplane museum downtown is beyond folly, a monumental joke. Leave it at Pete Field where it is and spend a few bucks to improve it rather than spend a fortune for a new place downtown. NOTE: World-class Udvar-Hazy aviation museum is at Dulles Airport near D.C., and not downtown on the National Mall, Constitution Ave, or at the Lincoln Memorial.

If a sports stadium gets built, it belongs at the defunct Colorado Crossing at Interquest and Voyager (I-25, exit 153) where the Parks Board is now working to implement a youth sports complex ( ). The sports complex is natural fit for a stadium to host soccer and the semi-pro football league, etc. The unfinished hotel and movie shells would then be attractive to investors for completion. Thus the city could take that 150 acre eyesore across from New Life Church and turn it into an excellent anchor for the far north side of the city that is growing strongly. Where are the dreamers who can visualize a great future....

If you want a vibrant downtown fill it with affordable mid-to-high rise residential towers where there is good walkability scores to eateries, groceries, pharmacies, doctors, dentists, lawyers, barbers and salons, gym, dry cleaners, stock brokers, jeweler, etc, etc. Amenities like Pikes Peak Center and Kimball's Peak Three are already there, just need to live nearby. People are tired of auto-centric suburbs where one must drive to get to everything.

There is so much opportunity in this city it isnt funny, but it seems were stuck in a loop with a bunch of local "operators" who want to think small and fill their own pockets at our expense.

Vote AGAINST anyone put forward by CSF, don't let the fox into OUR henhouse.

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Posted by OldCrank on 02/08/2017 at 1:15 PM

Re: “Downtown stadium off the table, new City for Champions project announced


Good thought!

One thing that could be a real boost to the future of the region is to have a professional team that would have the ability to bring that kind of 'sound mind' thinking to corral all the potential projects - the range of options to fund them - and generate regional cooperation to make them happen - much as what was done by the business community for Austin when it was deep into decline. Rather, COS has too many competing entities and no real leadership - there is the 'new' chamber/edc with no one on board with deep economic development experience - and the Colorado Springs Forward group which appears to be on the path of becoming yet another 'factor of divisiveness' for the community.

Perhaps when the current crop of aged leaders really age out and disappear, younger more realistic and collaborative leaders can set the tone to make all the great things happen that lies with grasp for the city yet so often just out of reach. Then if not, being a cute tourist/retirement town on life support from defense dollars is not all that bad.

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Posted by Staci6 on 02/08/2017 at 1:12 PM

Re: “Downtown stadium off the table, new City for Champions project announced

Someone of a sound mind should have proposed that the air museum be part of the AFA visitor center plan, as they have the infrastructure and the land available to make flyable exhibits work.

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Posted by LivesLocally on 02/08/2017 at 12:57 PM

Re: “Downtown stadium off the table, new City for Champions project announced

And now there is news that private donations for the Pike's Peak summit house replacement have also failed to materialize - meaning that COS taxpayers will likely be picking up the tab for that venue.

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Posted by LivesLocally on 02/08/2017 at 12:54 PM

Re: “Downtown stadium off the table, new City for Champions project announced

For at least the last 2 years, COS has been experiencing robust tourist seasons and sales tax revenue has greatly exceeded expectations. And none of this success can be attributed to the C4C projects (which except for the UCCS sports medicine facility, haven't been built yet) but can be attributed to the cessation of wildfires. COS does not need the State's $120M (receivable over 30 years) to defray a small portion of the cost to fund venues that will attract tourists. While COS lacks what every other large City considers to be essential - a downtown stadium and a major league team to occupy it - we have the AFA, the Broadmoor and the Great Outdoors and THAT'S why out-of-towners come to COS.

Of course, the Olympic museum needs the State rebate because thats the carrot being dangled to attract private money to invest, but even so its been extraordinarily difficult to extract donations from our local 1%ers. COS taxpayers are in danger of having to fill the shortfall this in addition to paying $51M for infrastructure. However, without the stadium, Jenkins garage under his to-be-built skyscraper condo building, located at the west end of the to-be-built pedestrian bridge leading to the to-be-built Olympic museum may not be needed, thereby reducing the $51M somewhat.

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Posted by curious on 02/08/2017 at 9:49 AM

Re: “Could El Paso County get caught in Trump’s immigration policy?

how about we start letting in 100,000 Russian armed immigrants monthly maybe they could make the states OBAY currant immigration laws its called US CODE read it wise guy NO ID NO passport NO shot records CO criminal background check NO NO NO WTF are you folks insane or just stupid For all the bleeding liberals OPEN YOUR HOUSE UP PUT UP A SIGN that says OPEN DOOR POLICY--FREE ENTRY HERE come on in i dont have any guns and there cash here for you and i have 3 children then punch yourself in the face

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Posted by fairlady280 on 02/08/2017 at 9:13 AM

Re: “Downtown stadium off the table, new City for Champions project announced

Seems there is a plethora of penetrating questions needing to be asked of city council challengers during the rash of 'candidate forums' that will be scheduled.

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Posted by Staci6 on 02/08/2017 at 7:31 AM

Re: “Downtown stadium off the table, new City for Champions project announced

Three quarters of the "City for Champions" proposal was/is sheer nonsense. Only the Olympic museum ever made sense from an economic benefit perspective - and even that is going to cost local taxpayers tens of millions in roads, parking garages, and pedestrian improvements.

It will be interesting to see if the RTA board goes along with any changes in the original proposal, as the C4C was sold to them as a package, thus they have every right to revoke their original approval.

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Posted by UCanSeeClearlyNow on 02/08/2017 at 7:15 AM

Re: “Medical marijuana for PTSD bill advances

Please consider the following as a front page article on Post Traumatic Stress Disorder -

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Kindly watch and share with all -

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Also, see the dramatic effects for Domestic Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder for women and children, and for PTSD for "First Responders", at (5:24)

Also please enjoy, "Use a Treatment for PTSD That Actually Works" in The Hill, Washington DC


"Transcendental Meditation May Reduce PTSD Symptoms, Medication in Active-Duty Personnel" in EurekAlert (01/11/16)


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Also, from :

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Posted by Bill Torrington on 02/08/2017 at 5:24 AM

Re: “Skorman leaves Save Cheyenne, focuses on 2017 council race

I fully agree with Mr. Bensberg. Mr.Skorman would bring to council the much needed real life experience in the competitive business environment! Almost daily, there are articles in the local press linking one to sites where Colorado Springs as touted as being one of the most top rated cities because of its parks, open space and outdoor experience!

Continuing to support candidates who will work hard to maintain and improve parks and promote 'the economic viability' of the city that provides funding for acquiring and maintaining parks is essential.

The 04 April Election is one experiencing a well-funded take-over attempt by Colorado Springs Forward to stack the city council (and the Board of Directors for Colorado Springs Utilities) with a majority of council members they support and who will endorse policies favoring their limited agenda.

Please consider carefully the impact of voting for those candidates supported by CSF by asking: What have they really done for the community and can the community be well served by having a Broadmoor/Builder/Developer dominated city council?

The current incumbents, Don Knight, Andy Pico, Helen Collins and Jill Gaebler have done a yeoman job on council - - bringing engineering and analytical thinking to the process of local governance to offset the rather bumbling, mayor/developer roll-over votes of Bagley and Bennett.

Mr. Bagley and Mr. King will not be running. Therefore exists the chance for voters to install a very well-balanced council by electing a seasoned businessman to council with a vote for Richard Skorman and re-electing Jill Gaebler, Don Knight, Helen Collins and Andy Pico.

Please consider scrolling town to the bottom of the Colorado Springs Forward website to review the candidates they support and ask: What has Colorado Springs Forward actually accomplished in their four years of existence and what do their candidates really bring of value to city council?

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Posted by Staci6 on 02/08/2017 at 4:06 AM

Re: “Downtown stadium off the table, new City for Champions project announced

Mr Miller:

Your heart may be safe from sharp pointed objects in the near term.

Within hours of the press articles re: the 'deathbed status' of the stadium/event center, Colorado Springs Forward produced an email blast to members in full support of the Mayor's efforts to negotiate a move of the World War II Aviation Museum from the local airport to the Phil Lane Property on Sierra Madre!

While many aviation museums feature only aircraft on static display, one desirable feature of these museums are the availability to have 'flyable' aircraft from other museums on loan to the local museum for short periods of time.

Trying to land a fully restored B-17 (104 foot wingspan) on Sierra Madre or Vermijo Streets downtown would be interesting to watch. The take off would be even more interesting! The sound of 4 Wright R-1820-97 "Cyclone" turbosupercharged radial engines, 1,200 hp (895 kW) each would be thrilling indeed!

Keeping aviation related activities located at the airport would seem prudent unless one is concerned that the entire C4C project, including the Olympic Museum is at serious risk and there are last-ditch efforts in play to save the deal at the last minute!

The Lane-Jenkins support group mentioned above (CSF) will be supporting candidates for four of the open city council seats in April and may possibly endorse a candidate for District 6.


District 1: Gary Basham. District 2: David Geislinger. District 3: Chuck Fowler. District 4: Deborah Hendrix. District 5: Lynette Crow-Iverson.

With your background and time in office as a city council member, do you have thoughts on the benefit to the community - - in having a 'slate' of candidates all funded by the same 'special interest group' - and do you think the general level of concern and suspicion by the every day voter about developers will generate a huge loss for the CSF 'slate candidates'?

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Posted by Staci6 on 02/08/2017 at 3:11 AM

Re: “Downtown stadium off the table, new City for Champions project announced

"3 years was 2 years and 11 months longer than needed to realize that building a stadium and forcing an unwilling public to pay for it was a STOOPID idea. Oh, well. Better late than never."

Salient points:

1) The only reason it's not under construction is because slick politicians and their well-connected political and financial supporters GOT CAUGHT in their plan to spend hundreds of millions of local taxpayer dollars under the guise of it "being paid for by the state."

2) Even after they got caught, the same individuals and organizations spent three years and hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on no fewer than five "fake" studies touting what a boon it would be and PR promotion and attacking opponents as "divisive."

3) This is evidence that the City misled [lied] to the state on the existence of "base financing" for the project.

4) Why is the mayor calling on the General Assembly to modify the law and allow the same group of slick politicians and their well connected political and financial supporters to squander State dollars that could be used for role-of-government issues like WIDENING I-25 and instead funding ANOTHER downtown pet project?

Remember how the Olympic museum for 3 years was touted as a "100% private and state-funded" project? Now they're asking for $500,000 of taxpayer money and the taxpayer-funded "Conventions and Vistors Bureau" (CVB) is kicking in another $500,000 of "their" [our] money. Next, the City will have to commit to building $51 million in downtown infrastructure for the Olympic museum as a condition to get loans from banks for the Olympic museum. With interest, that infrastructure cost rises to $130 million. now we're going to repeat the process with another museum downtown?

Lastly, lots of people make it off their "deathbed." I'll believe the stadium project with taxpayer dollars is dead when I see a stake through its cold dead heart.

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Posted by Joel C. Miller on 02/07/2017 at 8:08 PM

Re: “Downtown stadium off the table, new City for Champions project announced

This was a front-page story in the Gazette this morning and reading about the death of the stadium put me in a really good mood all day. It's taken City Leaders 3 years to conclude that the citizens don't want to use tax dollars for a stadium that has no purpose other than to make the developer who owns 19 or more properties in the area happy. Very happy. And very rich. The mayor has pointed out the obvious - hundreds of millions of tax dollars are needed to pay for stormwater, roads, and other infrastructure improvements and there's not one red cent available for frou frous. 3 years was 2 years and 11 months longer than needed to realize that building a stadium and forcing an unwilling public to pay for it was a STOOPID idea. Oh, well. Better late than never.

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Posted by curious on 02/07/2017 at 6:49 PM

Re: “Skorman leaves Save Cheyenne, focuses on 2017 council race

All open space and parks advocates in Council District 3 need to rally for Skorman on April 4. If you're not registered to vote, now is the time!

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Posted by Jim Bensberg on 02/07/2017 at 6:24 PM

Re: “Suppression is the goal of many 'free speech zones'

Typically these zones are designated by considering things like safety, impact on public thoroughfares and passage, business impacts, and security. This has been done by and affecting organizations of all political persuasions for decades.

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Posted by Dave H on 02/07/2017 at 4:19 PM

Re: “Suppression is the goal of many 'free speech zones'


Apparently only "leftist violence" is a problem for you. Double standard, of course.…

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Posted by Bill W. on 02/07/2017 at 2:57 PM

Re: “Suppression is the goal of many 'free speech zones'

From a safety perspective it makes sense to keep demonstrators and supporters from being too close to one another, especially since leftist violence has been rampant of late.

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Posted by CSIndyReader on 02/07/2017 at 11:02 AM

Re: “Tim Mitros finds life after city of Colorado Springs gig

We all know why Mitros was let go. He was getting too close to the homeowners who lost everything when our City Fathers chose to KNOWINGLY get in bed with Developers and build homes on landslides. I am clueless as to why these homeowners are not filing a Class Action lawsuit! It seems like a slam dunk to me!

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Posted by mbomcar on 02/03/2017 at 4:12 PM

Re: “The resurgence of the radical left raises questions

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Posted by Mary Jo Meade on 02/03/2017 at 3:26 PM

Re: “El Paso County inmates say new jail contractor serves inadequate food

I seriously doubt that the county contracted for inadequate amounts of inedible food. What I find most interesting is that the bloggers who routinely find evidence of corruption in every government transaction, are not demanding a full accounting of how our tax money is being spent or accusing any county official of receiving kickbacks from the deal. Instead, they are happy to be ripped off, just as long as the prison inmates suffer from the cruel, if not so unusual, punishment.

In another thread in this same issue of the Indy, and on this same blog, is a report of a study conducted in prisons with real inmates that indicates a link between poor diet and violence. Unless you were being sarcastic, you indicated in the comments section that you agreed with that finding, Mr. Tannim, before you wrote your comment for this piece. Somehow, you failed to put the two reports together.

The cost of hiring extra guards to handle violent prisoners far outweighs the cost of a nutritious diet. And, if you are interested in reforming prisoners, providing a good diet is a good start.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 02/02/2017 at 8:10 PM

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