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Re: “Viewing civil unions from the pulpit”
Mr. K- Yes, the conversion of the Pharasee Sal to the Apostle can be found in the Book of Acts (of the Apostles after the assention of Christ). While incarsentated, Apostle Paul wrote the Epistles that are for the born again Christian Church. Acts 22: starts his telling of his conversion, Acts 28:17- His trail. As a citizen he had the rights listed below, and if he was harmed by any of the guards, they would receive the same but times two.
Roman citizenship Rights Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Citizenship in ancient Rome was a privileged political and legal status afforded to freeborn individuals with respect to laws, property, and governance.
• The right to have a legal trial (to appear before a proper court and to defend oneself).
• The right to appeal from the decisions of magistrates and to appeal the lower court decisions.
• A Roman citizen could not be tortured or whipped, nor could he receive the death penalty, unless he was found guilty of treason.
• If accused of treason, a Roman citizen had the right to be tried in Rome, and even if sentenced to death, no Roman citizen could be sentenced to die on the cross.
Posted by
gurudori
on 05/07/2013 at 4:30 PM
Re: “Viewing civil unions from the pulpit”
TejonTech, you write, "...typical liberal emotional defense of a position contrary to nature..." According to theologists, that is. Scientists do not find homosexual activity to be "contrary to nature." At one time anything other than missionary position was labeled contrary to nature (even though no animal, other than humans, practice it).
Posted by
Mr. K--
on 05/07/2013 at 1:39 PM
Re: “Viewing civil unions from the pulpit”
gurudori, you wrote, "Not only did Apostle Paul use his Roman Citizenship to have a fair trail when the Jews wanted him excuted for converting to Christianity and blaspheme again OT..." Is this @#$% actually in the Christian Bible?
Posted by
Mr. K--
on 05/07/2013 at 1:22 PM
Re: “Viewing civil unions from the pulpit”
Zen...again boring...typical liberal emotional defense of a position contrary to nature...and not true.
Posted by
TejonTech
on 05/07/2013 at 8:13 AM
Re: “Viewing civil unions from the pulpit”
Yeah well I think you've proven you know neither "love" nor "peace", TejonTech. What I read is the vitroil of an isolated and fearful man. It's sad really, because you drive far more people away than you'll ever attract.
Posted by
Zen
on 05/06/2013 at 11:13 PM
Re: “Viewing civil unions from the pulpit”
Cliche spins...boring
Posted by
TejonTech
on 05/06/2013 at 7:52 PM
Re: “20- and 30-somethings find little hope, hospitality within recent city politics”
What is prophesized in the Bible can't be stopped, even the New World order. Don't you think that maybe God has a backup plan for those who accepted Christ as Lord and Savior (not believing in the Pope, TT) called...... The Hope of the Return of Christ! Haven't you ever read 1 Thessalonians? It's all about how Christ returns FOR the born again believers, then Armageddon & book of Revelations happens, then Christ returns WITH the saints to reclaim earth from Satan, the god of this world, and re-establishes Eden when he got from Adam disobeying Gods commandment not to eat the fruit of knowledge. Bet you didn't know that!
Yeah, that's another one of those books in the NT most don't know of. Romans 5:9-Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from the wrath through him. This gives me much comfort when knowing how that state of the world is in modern times. Something to think about.
Posted by
gurudori
on 05/06/2013 at 5:00 PM
Re: “Viewing civil unions from the pulpit”
I also thought of another great example of why we need to have the separation of Church and State: Not only did Apostle Paul use his Roman Citizenship to have a fair trail when the Jews wanted him excuted for converting to Christianity and blaspheme again OT ( He was the Father to the born again Christian Church whereas Apostles Peter and James started the Catholic Church on the grounds of sticking to traditional pagen holidays- Easter is the holiday for the goddess Ester, not the Final Passover as it actually should be.)
You are going to love this TT.... Martin Luther also used his German citizenship to save his life when the Catholic Church summons him to Rome as a Jesuit priest for heresy, but he petitioned the German King for his trail to be held in a German city so he could be protected because he knew he would be assinated if he traveled to Rome. Remember him? He's the guy with the 96 thesis against the abominations within the Catholic Church? He left the Catholic Church and started the Reformation Church... got married to a former nun and lived another 30 years as the main Biblical Scholar for the King at a University in Germany.
Remember indulgences? Remember if you don't accept Jesus we will kill you period in European history? That is why the French and American constitutions added this clause in 1780s just so that any governing Church could never pull this crap again.
Remember the Inquisition? How they used church doctrine to kill thousands of pegans to take their land, indigenous people in South and North America and other believers like wicca and keltic and such? No, you seem to like to hold a rosey colored view of Catholic Church history.
Posted by
gurudori
on 05/06/2013 at 4:41 PM
Re: “Viewing civil unions from the pulpit”
CLICK HERE TO PLAY THE GAME "VOTE FOR A MORON!" If you agree with Tejon Tech last statement on "think they are voting in a new truth as if they could reverse God's creative decisions." click like, but if you do not agree with TT, click dislikes. If TT gets more dislikes than likes..... then he is a MORON! LMAO!!!
Posted by
gurudori
on 05/06/2013 at 4:22 PM
Re: “Viewing civil unions from the pulpit”
I love on this list how people clicking like and dislike think they are voting in a new truth as if they could reverse God's creative decisions.
That is what Broadbent is attempting...he makes it up to be like he would have done if he were God, even though what he would have done is simply contrary to God's obvious will and purpose.
You can't change the truth by popular vote, as Colorado is now destined to see.
Posted by
TejonTech
on 05/06/2013 at 9:10 AM
Re: “Viewing civil unions from the pulpit”
This pastor is just one of the false prophets that will come in the last days. The Californication of Colorado is moving at full steam.
Posted by
louiet
on 05/06/2013 at 6:40 AM
Re: “Viewing civil unions from the pulpit”
Jesus warns us against idolatry, fornication, and murder...seems like the secular agenda claims all three...unquestioned tolerance is idolatry, fornication is any sex outside marriage (to include all gay etc. sex and this sort of adolescent sex advocated by the morning after pill) and murder, which is what abortion is pure and simple...so Guru and Zen...the final judgment is going to be calling you to repentance and amendment of life big tie...as well as me for my sins.
Posted by
TejonTech
on 05/04/2013 at 2:13 PM
Re: “Viewing civil unions from the pulpit”
Secularism isn't new, TT, it was how our country was originally founded with Seperation of Church and State, so don't try to re-write history. It has only been since the 1980's when the evangical churches started a movement to insert Christian morality into our governmental laws. So why can't each and every person govern themselves instead of having to follow your brand of religion? Just because we don't want it in our governing laws doesn't mean we don't practice morality and personal spirituality in our homes.
From Wikepedia: Seperation of Church and State: Thomas Jefferson:
In English, the exact term is an offshoot of the phrase, "wall of separation between church and state", as written in Thomas Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. In that letter, referencing the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, Jefferson writes: "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State." Jefferson reflected his frequent speaking theme that the government is not to interfere with religion.[15]
The Bill of Rights was one of the earliest examples in the world of complete religious freedom (adopted in 1791, only preceded by the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen in 1789) but it was interpreted as establishing a separation of Church and State only after the letter of Jefferson (see section United States for more details). At the time of the passage of the Bill of Rights, many states acted in ways that would now be held unconstitutional, some of them with official state churches. All of the early official state churches were disestablished by 1833.
Posted by
gurudori
on 05/04/2013 at 9:33 AM
Re: “20- and 30-somethings find little hope, hospitality within recent city politics”
Milligan's primary goal is to advance the new world order in her own image without a God to interfere with her reign of political correct totalitarianism...it is to turn Colo Spgs upside down, and that sort of radical transformation will not bring peace and stability, but strive and division.
Posted by
TejonTech
on 05/04/2013 at 6:51 AM
Re: “Viewing civil unions from the pulpit”
Zen...Denver Seminary? That explains why you are an advocate for the new secularism and not the Christianity of the Apostles. Your education is faulty and doesn't serve you well.
The religion of Jesus is one where God's love directs and rules our hearts toward peace now and eternity ultimately.
Your religion of permissiveness and self affirmation is a direct path to pain now and dysfunction in the future...not something a loving God would wish for his children.
God, as scripture says, has a special place for wolves in sheep's clothing like you.
Posted by
TejonTech
on 05/04/2013 at 6:47 AM
Re: “20- and 30-somethings find little hope, hospitality within recent city politics”
If "Milligan is a far left whack job" then how far off the right edge of the map are you? Geez TT .. some days you make Pinochet look like a centrist.
Posted by
Zen
on 05/03/2013 at 11:41 PM
Re: “20- and 30-somethings find little hope, hospitality within recent city politics”
Another 14 jobs and more young people gone. Good job blue hairs. As for Pico, he's a egotistical hack. I used to debate that guy on the Gazette, and he wouldn't know good science from a pile of sh*t. Like most of the council, he's a slave to ideology and blind to on the ground reality.
Posted by
Zen
on 05/03/2013 at 11:33 PM
Re: “Viewing civil unions from the pulpit”
TejonTech, speaking as one with a degree in Religious Studies, who studied theology and ministry at Denver Seminary, and has worked in Protestant and Catholic church and para-church organizations, I can confidently and authoritatively say that you my friend are no Christ follower. You're a Pharisee. And a milk fed one at that. It's time to take back the church from people like you ... people who have overseen the largest single decline in US church attendance in history. If Jesus were to return today, I have zero doubt you'd be first to pick up a hammer and nail. You genuinely have no idea what you do. And for that, I just feel sorry for you. Grow up milk fed ... before it's too late. Good luck with all that self-righteous rage.
Posted by
Zen
on 05/03/2013 at 11:16 PM
Re: “The twisted road from Amendment 2 to 'I do'”
TejonTech it is truly sad to see a person so tied up in knots as you.
Posted by
Zen
on 05/03/2013 at 11:04 PM
Re: “Viewing civil unions from the pulpit”
Wikipedia: Paul the Apostle
Paul the Apostle (Greek: Παῦλος Paulos), original name Saul of Tarsus (Greek: Σαῦλος Saulos),[4] was a Christian missionary who took the gospel of Christ to the first-century world.[5] He is generally considered one of the most important figures of the Apostolic Age and one of the greatest religious leaders of all time.[6] [7] In the mid-30s to the mid-50s, he founded several churches in Asia Minor and Europe. Being a Jew and a Roman citizen were ideal pedigrees for his ministry to both Jewish and Roman audiences.[5]
A native of Tarsus, the capital city in the Roman province of Cilicia,[2] he wrote that he was "a Hebrew born of Hebrews", a Pharisee,[8] and one who advanced in Judaism beyond many of his peers. He zealously persecuted the early followers of Jesus and violently tried to destroy the newly-forming Christian church. Paul's dramatic conversion experience with the risen Jesus on the road to Damascus dramatically changed the course of his life.[5] He did not know Jesus during his lifetime as did the Twelve Apostles, but he was the first apostle whose only experience with Jesus was after the Resurrection and Ascension.[9]
After his conversion to Christ, he began to preach that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah and the Son of God.[10] His leadership, influence, and legacy led to the formation of communities dominated by Gentile groups that worshiped the Lord, adhered to the "Judaic moral code", but relaxed or abandoned the ritual and dietary teachings of the Law of Moses. He taught that these laws and rituals had either been fulfilled in the life of Christ or were symbolic precursors of Christ, though the exact relationship between Paul the Apostle and Judaism is still disputed. Paul taught of the life and works of Jesus Christ and his teaching of a New Covenant, or "new testament",[11] established through Jesus' death and resurrection.
About half of the New Testament stems from Paul and the people whom he influenced. Thirteen of the 27 books in the New Testament have been attributed to Paul, and approximately half of the Acts of the Apostles deals with Paul’s life and works. However, only 7 of the 13 letters can be accepted as being entirely authentic. The other 6 letters are believed to have come from followers writing in his name, using material from Paul's surviving letters and letters written by him that no longer survive.[6] [12] [5]
Today, his epistles continue to be deeply rooted in the theology, worship, and pastoral life in the Roman and Protestant traditions of the West, as well as the Orthodox traditions of the East.[13] Among the many other apostles and missionaries involved in the spread of the Christian faith,[5] his influence on Christian thought and practice has been characterized as being as "profound as it is pervasive".[13] Augustine of Hippo developed Paul's idea that salvation is based on faith and not "works of the law".[14] Martin Luther's interpretation of Paul's writings heavily influenced Luther's doctrine of sola fide. The Bible does not record Paul's death.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acts_of_the_…
Acts of the Apostles
Some believe that through this work, Luke intended to show the Roman Empire that the root of Christianity is within Judaism so that the Christians “may receive the same freedom to practice their faith that the Roman Empire afforded the Jews.”[15] Those who support the view of Luke’s work as political apology generally draw evidence from the facts that Christians are found innocent of committing any political crime[15] (Acts 25:25; 19:37; 19:40) and that Roman officials’ views towards Christians are generally positive. Also, Luke mentions a few Roman officials that believe in Jesus Christ (Acts 10:1-11:18; 13:12). The magistrates even apologize to Paul and Silas for wrongfully putting them in prison (Acts 16:38-39). By painting the Roman-Christian relations in this light, Luke hopes to persuade Rome that Christians are not enemies of the government and should not be looked upon with suspicion or even fear.
Apology on behalf of Rome addressed to the church: Whereas the claim above suggested that Luke was writing to Rome, this view proposes that Luke may be writing to the church in order to convince the saints of his own view that Rome is not a threat to the church.[15] This claim presupposes that early Christians were suspicious of Rome or feared Roman authority as a threat to their faith. Also, supporters of this view would characterize Luke’s portrayal of the Roman Empire as positive because they believe Luke “glosses over negative aspects of the empire and presents imperial power positively.”[15] For example, when Paul is before the council defending himself, Paul says that he is “on trial concerning the hope of the resurrection of the dead” (Acts 23:6). Some believe that this appeal “thereby shows Christian’s of Luke’s day both that their predecessors were innocent before the state and that Paul had no political quarrel with Rome”[15] but rather with the Jews who were accusing him. Other scholars have even said that Luke wrote this apology in order to support Christians who were becoming allies with local Roman officials.[15]
Some scholars believe that the apologetic view of Luke’s work is overemphasized and that it should not be regarded as a “major aim of the Lucan writings.”[14] While Munck believes that purpose of Luke’s work is not that clear-cut and sympathizes with other claims, he believes that Luke’s work can function as an apology only in the sense that it “presents a defense of Christianity and Paul”[17] and may serve to “clarify the position of Christianity within Jewry and within the Roman Empire.”[17] Pervo disagrees that Luke’s work is an apology and even that it could possibly be addressed to Rome because he believes that “Luke and Acts speak to insiders, believers in Jesus.” [18] Freedman believes that Luke is writing an apology but that his goal is “not to defend the Christian movement as such but to defend God’s ways in history.”[16]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostle_Paul