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Re: “City needs, after the march, a crappy cover, and more

This argument over "democracy" versus "republic" has turned the discussion into an exercise in semantics. I am sure that everyone participating knows the organization and mechanisms of our government in excruciating detail. Yet, everyone is expending lots of words trying to establish what is the best or most correct label for the overall process. I feel pretty sure no two university professors of political science can actually agree on a satisfactory label, much less we laymen. In the meantime, very few substantive points about the process have been raised.

Just for fun, I looked up the definitions of "democracy" and "republic" in the online Merriam-Webster Dictionary. This is what I found:

One is "a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law."

The other is "a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections."

Can you tell, without any doubts or guesswork, which definition belongs to which word without looking them up?

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 02/02/2017 at 7:38 PM

Re: “Trump's beachheads and the War on Facts

The online Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines beachhead as "an area on a hostile shore occupied to secure further landing of troops and supplies." Not a hint of the phrase "starting point," but the phrases "hostile shore" and "landing of troops" does imply somebody is at war.

You are correct, Mr. Tannim, in saying this is not a particularly significant piece of information, but you are the one throwing it into the spotlight. It seems to be something you "...tend to do: blowhard about nothing."

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 02/02/2017 at 4:59 PM

Re: “City needs, after the march, a crappy cover, and more

Several decades of liberal mumbo jumbo has brainwashed people into that a representative democracy and a republic are the same thing. THEY ARE NOT. A country can be either a democracy or a republic, NOT BOTH. Those of us old enough to remember know better than to fall for this attempt to merge the two systems. The US is not and never has been a democracy.

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Posted by Odin on 02/02/2017 at 4:37 PM

Re: “Make Colorado great again

Mr. Tannim, while your thoughts are murky, your methods are crystal clear. Since you cannot refute any arguments using facts and logic, you resort to the crudest form of name-calling, and think you are so clever no one notices your deficiencies.

Furthermore, as I have affirmed many times in this blog, I am not a liberal. I appreciate the fact that your entire rant depends on stereotyping liberals. That is your problem.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 02/02/2017 at 3:24 PM

Re: “City needs, after the march, a crappy cover, and more

"And those tweaks are what Dave"

The main one was change from the state legislatures selecting Senators to public vote for Senators. This upset the system of checks and balances and took some power away from the states, however, our form of government has not changed.

"a Democratic Representative Republic"

There is no such thing. We are a Constitutional Federal Republic and have been since the Articles of Confederation were replaced.

"No were not a full Representative Democracy but we are also not a full Representative Republic we are both. "

You have no idea what you are talking about.

"It means you and the rest of us get to pick who speaks for us in Washington."

You are completely hung up on the "representative" part of the issue and are confusing yourself. That has squat to do with whether or not we are a republic or a democracy. Refer back to my original post.

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Posted by Dave H on 02/02/2017 at 2:17 PM

Re: “City needs, after the march, a crappy cover, and more

And those tweaks are what Dave. O yea a Democratic Representative Republic. In case you havent noticed We vote the people in to represent us we dont just let a small group appoint them like they did when this Country started. Thats the tweak Dave No were not a full Representative Democracy but we are also not a full Representative Republic we are both. Have been for a very very long time and no Dave it dont mean your a Democrat it just means you vote that way it means you get a voice. It means you and the rest of us get to pick who speaks for us in Washington.

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 02/02/2017 at 2:04 PM

Re: “City needs, after the march, a crappy cover, and more

Rocky, despite some small tweaks our form of government has not changed. We are still a Republic, not a representative democracy.

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Posted by Dave H on 02/02/2017 at 12:30 PM

Re: “Addressing poverty on the Springs' Southeast side

Patience, really glad you addressed systemic issues in SE in your article. We need more news media that gets to the roots of things, for example, instead of just talking about crime- talking about the root causes of higher crime rates. Thanks for writing!

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Posted by ScoutClaire on 02/02/2017 at 11:18 AM

Re: “Addressing poverty on the Springs' Southeast side

Patience,

I appreciate the fact that in your article you also mentioned about Denver Works opening a satellite office in Sand Creek Lbrary. I live in the southeast area of town and every day I see hard working people who really do need work apprenticeship programs.

I also love the fact that Foid Rescue is helping lower economic situations have healthy fresh choices for food and it debunks the myth and stereotype that people in poverty don't want to eat well.

Thanks for the article

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Posted by Joyhappy on 02/01/2017 at 4:26 PM

Re: “Promise Lee on what's next for Hillside community

Patience,

Thank you for writing such s great article and indeed highlighting one of the city's great community leaders. I so agree with Promise Lee's perspective on community coming alongside each other to bring positive change and awareness of community issues. Thank you again and many thanks to Mr. Promise Lee for his continued leadership in the community of Colorado Springs and beyond.

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Posted by Joyhappy on 02/01/2017 at 4:13 PM

Re: “Promise Lee on what's next for Hillside community

Thank you for this piece.

It really has me thinking. What are the lessons learned from the closure of South that we can act on now with the closure of Hunt? Is it possible to ameliorate the hurt, displacement and overall value statement that closing a community school creates?

I like the strategies around community organizing that Lee shares.

How can we strengthen some of the existing infrastructure that has already been established? What is the state of the newsletter? Is this something to resurrect? Who are the former and current block captains? How can we retain the existing captains and recruit new captains?

What will it take? Who can help?

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Posted by licanray on 02/01/2017 at 2:35 PM

Re: “City needs, after the march, a crappy cover, and more

Thats true Dave when there was a hand full of States and a few thousand people they thought it was the best way to go. And it was. But now that theres 50 States and millions that need to have a voice the way we have it now in my opinion is the best. If we stayed a true Republic only a hand full would have a voice. LIKE CHINA. But we are a Democratic Republic with Representation. My vote is my voice.

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 02/01/2017 at 2:03 PM

Re: “City needs, after the march, a crappy cover, and more

There has been a dichotomy expressed by Trump supporters that a nation cannot be both a democracy and a republic.-- Bill Durland

Technically true. A republic and a democracy, even a representative democracy, are not the same things.

Republics are rule by law, are always representative, and have an executive position which is not a monarch.

Democracies are rule by vote, can be direct or representative, and do not have an executive position.

The US is a Republic, albeit with some democratic principles, specifically we are a Constitutional Federal Republic. We are not, despite the fervent assertions of many, a representative democracy. In fact the founding fathers specifically did not want a democracy.

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Posted by Dave H on 02/01/2017 at 12:26 PM

Re: “Bigots, racists and Dominionist Christians rejoice in Trump presidency

Being rich is a sign of God's favor? Is that why your bible says, it is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to get into heaven?

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 02/01/2017 at 9:36 AM

Re: “City needs, after the march, a crappy cover, and more

The Democratic Republic that this Country uses does work. We vote as a majority then the Electoral Collegiate voters take the results of that majority in that State and cast the vote that represents the majority of that State. Its that simple. It was set up that way by our founders to stay true to our Republic while giving the people a voice. Back in the day the Representatives that were sent to cast a vote did so as they wished not what the people sent them there to do. So a Democratic vote was set up. Some times majority does not rule as in this case. More folks in the pockets of the Country that had the most Electoral College votes cast Trump. It happened before when Bush got in. If we were a full Democracy then we the people would have to vote everything that came down the pipeline. Every law, every person, all funding, everything, no Representatives. Now think about that. National votes for everything. That would cause the places with the most people controlling everything. Thats why we have State Representatives. Sometimes the Electoral College puts a fella in that the Majority didnt want as in this case but thats what its designed to do. Sometimes the majority rules sometimes it dont.

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 02/01/2017 at 9:00 AM

Re: “Addressing poverty on the Springs' Southeast side

Excellent! Many so called leaders don't have the fortitude to point out the true problem, but not only did you do so. You offering the people one of many solutions. That deal directly with the problem. This is what one would call Overstanding. Great job Patience!

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Posted by Murid Azzam Muhammad on 01/31/2017 at 10:16 PM

Re: “Addressing poverty on the Springs' Southeast side

Patience is addressing one of the toughest issues in Colorado Springs. Dave Gardner talks about the urban sprawl and why that is a problem but, he doesn't go into detail about why it is happening. What we just witnessed on November 8th had been lying the underbelly of America for the last 8 years. Voters not only felt left out, but they also felt that their ecosystem was being challenged. Patience did a great job of outlining what we've seen and grew up with on a daily basis in Southeast Colorado Springs. This type of reporting can only bring clarity and understanding to the everyday issues we face.

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Posted by Robert Andrews on 01/31/2017 at 2:29 PM

Re: “Addressing poverty on the Springs' Southeast side

A very well written and informative article about an extremely important issue. The more attention this issue is given hopefully will bring about much needed assistance and positive changes. Patience you are doing an amazing job.

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Posted by Andrea Huerta on 01/30/2017 at 9:52 PM

Re: “Make Colorado great again

GOP means Graveyard Of Principles. Cannot make any city great again until the people remove TABOR, the GOP, and all special interests the GOP caters to.

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Posted by OldCrank on 01/29/2017 at 10:52 AM

Re: “#whyIMarch

People who don't understand why people marched don't want to understand why people marched. The marchers are not hysterical and certainly not uneducated.

I know scientists and artists that marched because programs are going to cut. I know moms who marched with their daughters to say it is important to be involved.
Hopefully it will motivate the millions who don't even bother to vote to see that their votes do matter.

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Posted by TruB on 01/28/2017 at 11:30 AM

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