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Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Again, to correct my screw-up, the website is asktheelectors.org. Also, this claptrap about 'bound' electors is not going to fly very far when the unconstitutionality of it comes to the fore.

Makeitgreatonce: read Malcolm Nance's "The Plot to Hack America". Trump is interested in making Russia greater.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 12/15/2016 at 4:43 PM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Thank you for the advice Mr. Tannim, but I have chosen to pursue understanding of The US Constitution, our form of government, and how it has changed, beyond what was superficially covered in High School.
To describe our government as a "REPUBLICAN form of government" is to not understand that "republican" is simply an adjective describing a republic...sorta like redundantly saying "a republic is a republican form of government".
And I tried to make it clear that the term "republic", by itself, is NOT an adequate description of our form of government, as there are governments around the world that label themselves "republic" that have NOTHING in common with the US form of governance. The US is much MORE than simply a republic... or, as you express: "REPUBLICAN".
But the point of my post (which you chose to ignore) is the dismissal of democracy as the ESSENTIAL word to describe the spirit, indeed the essence, of how we have historically viewed our nation and its aspirations. I'm of the notion that Conservatives do not like democracy, and your letter reenforces that notion.
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Aside: The Liberal ideology to maintain and expand the "common good" is what protects "the the rights of the individual". Without government (a democratic one) your individual "rights" would be a pipe dream. "WE THE PEOPLE" protect the rights of the individual. Thats why our Constitution begins with THOSE three words...not "ME THE INDIVIDUAL".

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Posted by asawatcher on 12/15/2016 at 11:19 AM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Rabbi Mel: I guess blessed are the peacemakers, but Trump's "I have great respect" is hard to take seriously after the last 5 years of disrespecting President Obama. It's just another lie, from someone who seems to be unable to tell the truth about anything at all.

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Posted by JerryS on 12/15/2016 at 11:18 AM

Re: “Latest Drake legal battle fizzles

Wow. What an interesting headline. I wouldn't say its fizzling out to the 1000+ people I have supporting this petition on change.org that I fully intend on hand delivering Monday the 19th at the Utilities Board meeting at 1pm. (102 S. Tejon St in case anyone wants to join me) There are more people aware of this than you know. We will not be silenced. You want to know why I started the petition? Because its reprehensible that our own elected officials are lying to us and trying to punish the person calling them out on their BS. Clearly the power plant isn't sustainable. This is FACT. It's a horrible accident waiting to happen and is poisoning us all slowly with every breath we take. But carry on theres nothing to see here...Sweet. I love magic. If theres nothing sinister in the report why so scared to just let us all see it? What have you got to hide? My guess is ALOT.

We'll be protesting at noon outside the building if you want to come join us. Then be sure Ill be speaking to the Utilities Board.

Heres the link to my petition. Share it. Sign it. Come join me to hand it over.

Power to the People my friend.

https://www.change.org/p/city-of-colorado-springs-tell-the-city-of-colorado-springs-release-documents-that-show-violations-of-air-pollution?recruiter=13824889&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

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Posted by Amy Gray on 12/14/2016 at 8:51 PM

Re: “Where are the Trump populists?

We tried to tell them Trump was a stone cold liar, that his campaign promises were hot air and not going to happen. Bend over Trumpaloons, you're going to get schlonged by Don the Con who has already broken every promise he made to you.

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Posted by OldCrank on 12/14/2016 at 3:52 PM

Re: “Election view outside Colorado

Steve Bannon, Joe Corsi and a legion of others have made personal fortunes making up fictitious stories about the Clintons. The more egregious the lie, the louder they scream it. Think Joseph Goebbels. That the American voter is so self involved as to avoid paying attention to anything other than what potty-mouth Trump and his thugs dole out then we are truly lost.

I, for one, will continue to fight.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 12/14/2016 at 3:42 PM

Re: “Where are the Trump populists?

If you were fooled by Trump for all the time he was running for President then you are dumber than a box of rocks. P T Barnum would have been proud, and would have called each and every one of you a sucker.

It will NOT be a refreshing change to see a retired General as the Secretary of Defense. That's the surest way I know to see more tax dollars going to the defense industry and our young men and women heading off to fight another oil war somewhere. (BTW, the DOD is the largest consumer of petroleum products in the world, hence Rex Tillerson as Secty of State).

December 19th will either be our salvation or will seal the fate of the once-free world.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 12/14/2016 at 3:34 PM

Re: “Latest Drake legal battle fizzles

Wow, John, you're really missing the point here. We've got a "citizen owned" utility who chose to commission an air quality study, paid for by these citizen owners, yet they won't share the results of the study with the citizen owners who breathe the air! Where is the transparency?! Let's not fool ourselves. If the air quality study had come back with favorable results, CSU would be crowing about the excellence of our air and patting themselves on the back. Instead we have a complete refusal to share the data and ludicrous sanctions against the very person who is trying to bring out the truth. We all know what that means. THE AIR STUDY RESULTS ARE NOT GOOD! So not only is CSU behaving badly, but the Utilities Board has also been utterly silent. Here are elected officials who should stand up for their constituents but instead they've drunk the Kool-Aid and are total CSU puppets. It's really quite shameful and embarrassing. People ... elections are just around the corner!!!

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Posted by Nicole Rosa on 12/14/2016 at 2:42 PM

Re: “Pledger: ahead of his time

a working man for the working man

Posted by apathetic on 12/14/2016 at 2:21 PM

Re: “Your Turn

outspent was the key! democracy for sale

Posted by apathetic on 12/14/2016 at 2:12 PM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Asawatcher: "I think what has most deeply concerned me over the last year or so is the Conservative assault on the cornerstone of the foundation of American ideological values.
Mr. Wolverton expresses that assault perfectly, claiming:

"You do not live in a democracy."
and demanding:
"Teach your children they do not live in a democracy.""

Clueless you are, padawan. The cornerstone of American values, as expressed in the Constitution, is a REPUBLICAN form of government, which means that the rights of the individual are respected and take precedence over the powers of government and majority rule.

Go back to high school civics and learn it correctly because it is rather obvious that you flunked it the first time.

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Posted by Tannim on 12/14/2016 at 2:11 PM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Dave Joss: Here's an idea for you: HAVE A POINT.

Bob Wolverton: Well stated.

David Naumann: Changing the winner-take-all rule in the 48 states that have it doesn't require a constitutional amendment, just 48 state laws changed. "Updating" the Electoral College to a more proportional system is simple turning it into a scaled version of the direct democracy that you then state you're not ready to embrace. You can't have it both ways.

Melvin Glazer: You realize that your comments are on the Internet, which is the chief reason that which you lament doesn't happen?

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Posted by Tannim on 12/14/2016 at 2:08 PM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

I think what has most deeply concerned me over the last year or so is the Conservative assault on the cornerstone of the foundation of American ideological values.
Mr. Wolverton expresses that assault perfectly, claiming:

"You do not live in a democracy."
and demanding:
"Teach your children they do not live in a democracy."

It makes me wonder just what Mr. Wolverton thinks "We the People" means.
The term "Republic" does NOT, by itself, describe our political structure. The "R" in the old USSR for example, stood for Republic. And China (The Peoples Republic of...) is a representative republic. The representatives, however, are not chosen by the people, but by a convoluted process controlled by the Party.
Democracy is the ESSENTIAL word describing America's form of governing, and I wonder about those who are attempting to demean and disparage that concept.
We are in a domestic war against those who are out to destroy our democracy, and we just lost a very significant battle in that war. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, and now the Electoral College are powerful weapons currently aimed at our democratic principles and values. The sooner we all realize that fact, the sooner we can rally Americans to fight against these weapons fashoned for the destruction of American democracy.
We DO live in a democracy (for the time being) and we should teach our children that America was founded on essential democratic principles, and just how precious those values are.

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Posted by asawatcher on 12/14/2016 at 12:45 PM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Wow! Have you looked over the roster on this White PINS Party? Dismantle just about everything! Perry? Really? Gonna be a bumpy ride going off the rails on a crazy train.

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Posted by longtooth on 12/14/2016 at 11:49 AM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Wow! Have you looked over the roster on this White PINS Party? Dismantle just about everything! Perry? Really? Gonna be a bumpy ride going off the rails on a crazy train.

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Posted by longtooth on 12/14/2016 at 11:49 AM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Mr Terryah, you can crow now, but wait til you have to learn Russian.

Mr. Joss, you are exactly right, provided we don't get the Electoral College relief we are entitled to in the Constitution. It is not a small, insignificant voice tacked on to the elective process - it is the final voice. Contact electors at http://myelectoralcollege.com and make your voice heard.

Mr Wolverton, This tyranny is facilitated by duplicity in false news, treachery from Breitbart and is the tyranny of the minority, not the majority. By definition, the majority in a democracy cannot be tyrannical - it is the will of the people. It just may not be the result YOU want, but that's democracy for you.

Mr Naumann, you are correct in assuming that the Electoral College is in place to prevent the potential outcome of this most divisive election.

Rabbi Glazer, I commend your humanity, but Trump began his campaign in the ugliest of arenas where he questioned the nationality and citizenship of our sitting President...and he never apologized. His clarion call to the 'white nationalists' (read - bigots and racists everywhere) still has them dancing in the streets (as opposed to the thousands of Muslims who DIDN'T dance in the streets of New Jersey, another blatant lie he never retracted). We ARE divided by this man and his hateful rhetoric. Join with the Hamilton Electors and prevent his ascent to power - not doing so will spell the beginning of the end of our way of life.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 12/14/2016 at 11:39 AM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Wolverton starts well, ends in fits. Trump simply wants to destroy China. Together with Putin, they will be the unopposed Empire. Iran can't do shit, except nuke Beirut. There will be no war on the DeathStar. The rebels will share the fate of the children of Aleppo. I have a Trump shaving kit made in China. Somebody really pissed him off over there. Europe will be on their own. Africa will continue to be irrelevant. Mexicans will actually be better off, white people don't pick strawberries. Cancelling bloated defense projects will be good for all except EPC, YOU CAN LEAVE NOW, LAMBORN, YOU WEASEL! Trump and Sheen, what's up? WINNING! More, tiger blood Charlie? You bet! Thanx Donald, ur a badass, men all over the world fear and revere you, Ceasar! Obama was a compassionate, eloquent, classy, prez. That is over. It's a brave new world where the KGB is with 45 and the CIA is not. Delicious Heyoka! The dark agent is a masterful instructor!

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Posted by makeitgreatonce on 12/14/2016 at 11:10 AM

Re: “Latest Drake legal battle fizzles

Wow, What a disappointing column, Mr. Hazlehurst. You missed quite a bit in your research. And your comments from Tom Stand show that he's simply repeating the same old talking points. The monitors have never ever been over Manitou Springs, or over the Cheyenne Mtn and Broadmoor neighborhoods where the pollution plume is at it's worst. Gordon Pierce from the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment (CDPHE) has stated the current monitor you and Tom reference is not even in the right place to measure SO2 from the Drake plume. And if you'd bothered to look at the data, even it has measurements over the NAAQS.
Further, the EPA holds Modeling as the Gold Standard because it uses emissions data from the stacks and meteorological data to show where the plume travels over our fair city and what amount of pollution it's carrying. So yes, modeling is very important. 3 models by different organizations all show non-attainment of the NAAQS, the SO2 is high and that's very bad for our lungs.
How can you say the lawsuit is fizzled when the City is desperately seeking to punish Leslie Weise? The real question is, who is pulling the strings with the City's lawyer? Who's acting like a dictator from a 3rd world country trying to muzzle a citizen seeking just the truth of a government report? Is it the Mayor? Or CSU? Or the Utility Board?

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Posted by Jacquie Ostrom on 12/14/2016 at 9:50 AM

Re: “Latest Drake legal battle fizzles

Two Million Tons! On standard day of 30 mb pressure and 60F - the cubic volume of space for one ton of carbon dioxide is approximately a cube 27' x 27' x 27' - which is about the cubic volume of the average house in Old Colorado City.

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Posted by Robert Gentry on 12/14/2016 at 7:43 AM

Re: “Latest Drake legal battle fizzles

No John it is about something! The monitors were not located in the areas where the plume from Drake settles along the foothills. It specifically settles in the Cheyenne Mountain and Skyway neighborhoods. It evens wafts all the way up to Manitou.

Specifically the Gold Camp Elementary is at ground zero. Those elementary children are exposed to dangerous levels of sulfur dioxide. Earlier this year in a hearing about Drake, Lisa Devore with the Colorado Department of Health and Environment acknowledged the risk to the children and committed to installing a monitor nearby the school. She quietly withdrew that commitment as a result of political pressure from El Paso County.

CSU has shown its true character to attempt to silence critics. Shame on you Jerry Forte.

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Posted by Solar Sam on 12/14/2016 at 6:54 AM

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