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Re: “Your Turn

outspent was the key! democracy for sale

Posted by apathetic on 12/14/2016 at 2:12 PM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Asawatcher: "I think what has most deeply concerned me over the last year or so is the Conservative assault on the cornerstone of the foundation of American ideological values.
Mr. Wolverton expresses that assault perfectly, claiming:

"You do not live in a democracy."
and demanding:
"Teach your children they do not live in a democracy.""

Clueless you are, padawan. The cornerstone of American values, as expressed in the Constitution, is a REPUBLICAN form of government, which means that the rights of the individual are respected and take precedence over the powers of government and majority rule.

Go back to high school civics and learn it correctly because it is rather obvious that you flunked it the first time.

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Posted by Tannim on 12/14/2016 at 2:11 PM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Dave Joss: Here's an idea for you: HAVE A POINT.

Bob Wolverton: Well stated.

David Naumann: Changing the winner-take-all rule in the 48 states that have it doesn't require a constitutional amendment, just 48 state laws changed. "Updating" the Electoral College to a more proportional system is simple turning it into a scaled version of the direct democracy that you then state you're not ready to embrace. You can't have it both ways.

Melvin Glazer: You realize that your comments are on the Internet, which is the chief reason that which you lament doesn't happen?

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Posted by Tannim on 12/14/2016 at 2:08 PM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

I think what has most deeply concerned me over the last year or so is the Conservative assault on the cornerstone of the foundation of American ideological values.
Mr. Wolverton expresses that assault perfectly, claiming:

"You do not live in a democracy."
and demanding:
"Teach your children they do not live in a democracy."

It makes me wonder just what Mr. Wolverton thinks "We the People" means.
The term "Republic" does NOT, by itself, describe our political structure. The "R" in the old USSR for example, stood for Republic. And China (The Peoples Republic of...) is a representative republic. The representatives, however, are not chosen by the people, but by a convoluted process controlled by the Party.
Democracy is the ESSENTIAL word describing America's form of governing, and I wonder about those who are attempting to demean and disparage that concept.
We are in a domestic war against those who are out to destroy our democracy, and we just lost a very significant battle in that war. Gerrymandering, voter suppression, and now the Electoral College are powerful weapons currently aimed at our democratic principles and values. The sooner we all realize that fact, the sooner we can rally Americans to fight against these weapons fashoned for the destruction of American democracy.
We DO live in a democracy (for the time being) and we should teach our children that America was founded on essential democratic principles, and just how precious those values are.

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Posted by asawatcher on 12/14/2016 at 12:45 PM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Wow! Have you looked over the roster on this White PINS Party? Dismantle just about everything! Perry? Really? Gonna be a bumpy ride going off the rails on a crazy train.

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Posted by longtooth on 12/14/2016 at 11:49 AM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Wow! Have you looked over the roster on this White PINS Party? Dismantle just about everything! Perry? Really? Gonna be a bumpy ride going off the rails on a crazy train.

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Posted by longtooth on 12/14/2016 at 11:49 AM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Mr Terryah, you can crow now, but wait til you have to learn Russian.

Mr. Joss, you are exactly right, provided we don't get the Electoral College relief we are entitled to in the Constitution. It is not a small, insignificant voice tacked on to the elective process - it is the final voice. Contact electors at and make your voice heard.

Mr Wolverton, This tyranny is facilitated by duplicity in false news, treachery from Breitbart and is the tyranny of the minority, not the majority. By definition, the majority in a democracy cannot be tyrannical - it is the will of the people. It just may not be the result YOU want, but that's democracy for you.

Mr Naumann, you are correct in assuming that the Electoral College is in place to prevent the potential outcome of this most divisive election.

Rabbi Glazer, I commend your humanity, but Trump began his campaign in the ugliest of arenas where he questioned the nationality and citizenship of our sitting President...and he never apologized. His clarion call to the 'white nationalists' (read - bigots and racists everywhere) still has them dancing in the streets (as opposed to the thousands of Muslims who DIDN'T dance in the streets of New Jersey, another blatant lie he never retracted). We ARE divided by this man and his hateful rhetoric. Join with the Hamilton Electors and prevent his ascent to power - not doing so will spell the beginning of the end of our way of life.

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Posted by Vietnamized on 12/14/2016 at 11:39 AM

Re: “Sorry Dems, biased media, the Electoral College, and more

Wolverton starts well, ends in fits. Trump simply wants to destroy China. Together with Putin, they will be the unopposed Empire. Iran can't do shit, except nuke Beirut. There will be no war on the DeathStar. The rebels will share the fate of the children of Aleppo. I have a Trump shaving kit made in China. Somebody really pissed him off over there. Europe will be on their own. Africa will continue to be irrelevant. Mexicans will actually be better off, white people don't pick strawberries. Cancelling bloated defense projects will be good for all except EPC, YOU CAN LEAVE NOW, LAMBORN, YOU WEASEL! Trump and Sheen, what's up? WINNING! More, tiger blood Charlie? You bet! Thanx Donald, ur a badass, men all over the world fear and revere you, Ceasar! Obama was a compassionate, eloquent, classy, prez. That is over. It's a brave new world where the KGB is with 45 and the CIA is not. Delicious Heyoka! The dark agent is a masterful instructor!

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Posted by makeitgreatonce on 12/14/2016 at 11:10 AM

Re: “Latest Drake legal battle fizzles

Wow, What a disappointing column, Mr. Hazlehurst. You missed quite a bit in your research. And your comments from Tom Stand show that he's simply repeating the same old talking points. The monitors have never ever been over Manitou Springs, or over the Cheyenne Mtn and Broadmoor neighborhoods where the pollution plume is at it's worst. Gordon Pierce from the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment (CDPHE) has stated the current monitor you and Tom reference is not even in the right place to measure SO2 from the Drake plume. And if you'd bothered to look at the data, even it has measurements over the NAAQS.
Further, the EPA holds Modeling as the Gold Standard because it uses emissions data from the stacks and meteorological data to show where the plume travels over our fair city and what amount of pollution it's carrying. So yes, modeling is very important. 3 models by different organizations all show non-attainment of the NAAQS, the SO2 is high and that's very bad for our lungs.
How can you say the lawsuit is fizzled when the City is desperately seeking to punish Leslie Weise? The real question is, who is pulling the strings with the City's lawyer? Who's acting like a dictator from a 3rd world country trying to muzzle a citizen seeking just the truth of a government report? Is it the Mayor? Or CSU? Or the Utility Board?

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Posted by Jacquie Ostrom on 12/14/2016 at 9:50 AM

Re: “Latest Drake legal battle fizzles

Two Million Tons! On standard day of 30 mb pressure and 60F - the cubic volume of space for one ton of carbon dioxide is approximately a cube 27' x 27' x 27' - which is about the cubic volume of the average house in Old Colorado City.

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Posted by Robert Gentry on 12/14/2016 at 7:43 AM

Re: “Latest Drake legal battle fizzles

No John it is about something! The monitors were not located in the areas where the plume from Drake settles along the foothills. It specifically settles in the Cheyenne Mountain and Skyway neighborhoods. It evens wafts all the way up to Manitou.

Specifically the Gold Camp Elementary is at ground zero. Those elementary children are exposed to dangerous levels of sulfur dioxide. Earlier this year in a hearing about Drake, Lisa Devore with the Colorado Department of Health and Environment acknowledged the risk to the children and committed to installing a monitor nearby the school. She quietly withdrew that commitment as a result of political pressure from El Paso County.

CSU has shown its true character to attempt to silence critics. Shame on you Jerry Forte.

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Posted by Solar Sam on 12/14/2016 at 6:54 AM

Re: “Where are the Trump populists?

Trump has one, singular goal, to destroy China.

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Posted by whaaaat on 12/12/2016 at 11:05 PM

Re: “Where are the Trump populists?

It will be a refreshing change to see business and military people in the cabinet instead of the usual political hacks and social activists - neither of whom ever held a real job or ran a business that actually needed to make money.

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Posted by CSIndyReader on 12/08/2016 at 7:09 PM

Re: “Where are the Trump populists?

The Trump voters were conned. Simple as that. Stocks soared once the banksters realized how profits would soar sans regulations, taxes, or environmental rules.

Reagan is dancing in his grave. Heil Trump!

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Posted by billd on 12/08/2016 at 3:39 PM

Re: “CSU's lack of transparency, veterans defending the Constitution, and more

2.12. Balance of Free Exercise of Religion and Establishment Clause. Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for their own free exercise of religion, including individual expressions of religious beliefs, and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion. They must ensure their words and actions cannot reasonably be construed to be officially endorsing or disapproving of, or extending preferential treatment for any faith, belief, or absence of belief.

Wearing the uniform while doing that evangelizing is a reasonable construction of officially endorsing their faith by the military, and such is as much of a no-no as engaging in partisan politics while wearing the uniform, which violates the Hatch Act.

Colonel Crews is simply incorrect, and needs to get his facts straight. And Cadet Watkins needs to take off the uniform while evangelizing.

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Posted by Tannim on 12/07/2016 at 6:16 PM

Re: “Urban-rural: sharing a leaky boat

>"We built the nation," she said. "Mining, timber, agriculture that's what made America."

>That's a mild expression of the belief that cities are not part of the real America.

No, Hazy, it isn't, except in your senile mind. What it actually is, is a statement of fact--without the minerals to make the steel and roads, and the wood to make the buildings, and the agriculture to feed the people, there would be no cities and no America.

The rest of this screed is nothing more than a bad segue into the very class divisions and identity politics that Hazy decried in the third paragraph, thus illustrating that he and his liberal tendencies are part of the same problem he bemoans, primarily because the identities are those he doesn't agree with.

He concludes the screed with this question, which he then answers incorrectly:

>Can we build localized, sustainable economies that will create jobs for all? That may be a pipe dream.

No, it isn't, but the liberal mindset with its environmental whackoism, centralized planning, and sever lack of innovation and entrepreneurship can't handle the concept that when left to their own devices, people can do extraordinarily creative and revolutionary things, including creating the localized and sustainable economy that he calls a pipe dream.

The lesson to be learned is simple an unambiguous: liberals caused the boat to leak. Time to throw them and their policies overboard and re-embrace the decentralized, limited government and individual freedom that not only built this nation, but built it great and strong.

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Posted by Tannim on 12/07/2016 at 6:11 PM

Re: “Lamborn and the Black Forest Fire, meat-free living, gun control and more

Jill Coleman is an NRA schill who must run their local membership promotions. Every comment or letter pushes a membership in the NRA.

When you catch her and Ron's comments they sound like a pair of emotionally and mentally unstable people who shouldn't be around guns at all.

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Posted by TruB on 12/05/2016 at 6:02 PM

Re: “The Trump presidency, deplorables, the media, and more

Mr. Carrigan;
After thinking about your letter for a while I have NOT been able to reconcile your claim that you are a Christian with your support of Donald Trump.
Like most guys, I've spent time in locker rooms. When in college I lived in dorms and a frat house. I too am a veteran. During those years I lived in barracks with a large cross-section of my fellow male Americans, poor to wealthy, educated to barely literate, and NEVER in ALL my experience, in ALL my life (and I'm an elderly geezer now) I never heard such vileness expressed toward women. No man that I encountered EVER asserted that he could sexually assault them with impunity because of WHO HE IS. By HIS OWN WORDS AND DEEDS Trump revealed that he feels free to lie, defraud, misrepresent, and insult anybody or any "group" of people he chooses, or to actually shoot someone on the street and not lose support. He has exposed again and again his moral depravity.
And there are apparently American citizens, like you, who are just fine with it.
Im sorry, Mr. Carrigan, but I have NO reason to think any better of anybody who backed or voted for this degenerate reprobate than I have for Trump himself...all the deplorables included.
Wear your "I voted for Trump" button if you're so proud of your vote, so I'll know the kind of character you carry around inside of you, regardless of your self-righteous claim of being a Christian.

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Posted by asawatcher on 12/05/2016 at 9:34 AM

Re: “The Trump presidency, deplorables, the media, and more

The biggest failure of this election was the lack of quality presidential alternatives. You almost have to wonder if this is where the real election "rigging" is being done.

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Posted by LivesLocally on 12/04/2016 at 5:30 PM

Re: “The Trump presidency, deplorables, the media, and more

Hey Robert HUH No shit just what Ive been saying Congress dont or wont listen to us until we the people demand the money be taken out of the Capitol. Congress is supposed to control the President and keep him in check The President should the Congress and the Courts all of them. In the last 6 years the Congress has not done anything. The President went forward with what ever he felt he needed to and we ended up in the mess were in. What the hell did Clinton have to do with it? She had no power and still dont. We are now in the same boat we were 6 years ago the Government controlled by one party with no balance of power. Congress regardless of what party wont listen to us the people so long as we allow the money to set the policy. The only way thats going to happen is vote in the ones that advocate getting rid of the lobby that is controlling the Congress.

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 12/03/2016 at 4:50 PM

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