Hmmmm...Rich, has anyone ever called you a birdbrain? (Whoops! I shudna had said that; you may devise a recipe for hummingbrain fritters, and we'd have to sentence you to a week with Lamborn and Obama, manacled to either side.)
I read, with much mirth, about how many Indy hipsters believe that the tea party standing against raising the debt ceiling are against the middle class. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot! In what way does increasing the national debt and devaluing the currency help the poor or the middle class? Answer- it doesn't! It only helps the banksters that trade treasury bonds that are worth nothing. It devalues the currency by creating too much of it. Thus, the $20 you had in 2009 is actuaaly worth $10 now. Want proof? Here you go, when Obama took office the price of a barrel of oil was $105 and the price of gas was $1.85 a gallon. Today the cost of a barrel of oil is $107.25 but the cost of a gallon of gas is $3.40 a gallon. Of course an Indy hipster would say "it's the evil corporations, oil companies, blah blah blah" but that isn't the answer. The answer is inflation, your money is worth less than it was before. The Consumer Price Index was created by the Clinton administration, it doesn't count energy or food in it's calculation (amazingly enough, the stuff we buy the most of). So, as this whole pile gets ready to collapse, and you are holding worthless pieces of paper, remember, you were warned.
The only comment I would add is the landscape had been changing long before the Europeans arrived. It is not uncommon for people of European decent to wrongly believe that land they arrived in was unpopulated except for the native savages. It made it easier for Europeans to take the land.
happyfew doesn't get it: I enjoy doing things my wife likes to do. We've been season ticket holders at the Colorado Springs Philharmonic for several years - not just since the election. And, I'm still a staunch supporters of all of our rights, including our right to keep and bear arms.
And, we don't "pass laws against crime". We pass laws that define crime.
"let's recall any legislator foolish enough to pass laws against crime, particularly laws that call for stiffer sentences when criminals use guns in the commission of their crimes." -- Mr. K--
You completely misunderstand what was said and what happened.
"OK. Guns don't kill people. Cars kill people. "
Sigh... Rich, are you truly that dense, or is it just an act?
Mr. K yes ill agree they print money they print stamps sure do they provide a service that American taxpayers pay for and need. With out a doubt and maybe I miss spoke but the point I was making was a loss in productivity on the private side of America. The Government is also a huge consumer of goods and services from the free market exchange that depends on a profit. Mr. Bently is another one of those that cant see the whole picture because of a failure to look past the center piece. So I brought up the center piece in order for him to understand. Kind of like welfare when that subject is brought up all they see is a freeloader they dont see the Corporations, the Huge conglomerations that own most of the farms and the millions of people in other country's that we supply aid to. See what Im doing speaking to there level.
I must beg to differ with you, Mr. Smith. The federal government does indeed produce valuable goods, including arguably the most valuable: money. In addition to money, the government prints postage stamps and runs the Government Printing Office. Furthermore, productivity is measured in services as well as goods. The productivity lost due to furloughing of Forest Service personnel has been well documented during this shutdown.
The government also performs annual studies vital to a variety of industries. The government also funds basic research and development.
The only thing the government does not do is make a profit.
"If a violent person wants to commit an evil act, they'll find a way." I do not buy into that argument. It is much like saying, if a burglar wants to break into a house he will find a way, so let's recall any legislator foolish enough to pass laws against crime, particularly laws that call for stiffer sentences when criminals use guns in the commission of their crimes.
Mr. Bently dont grasp the fact that while our Government does not produce anything they sure buy a whole lot of things that are produced. Thats where the shut down harms production. Also while yes we are a Republic we govern under a Democratic form of Government. We stay true to our Republic by using the Electoral college when we vote. All that was changed in 1787 so its nothing new its just a more BS from the Republicans. If we were a firm Republic we would not have a Country wide vote for President. The House would do our bidding or voting for President and the Senate would for Vice President. Now think about what a mess that would be and if you disagree with me go get an Encyclopedia and look it up. Its Fact while we live in a Republic but we Govern under a Democracy.
typical politician, he goes from mr. tough gun guy to wife whipped symphony guy as soon as the election is over.
Excuse me, thinker. I should not have written earlier, "you do not seem to know all of the services performed by the government." I should have written, Len Bentley, the original letter writer, whose point of view you defend, does not seem to know etc."
One thing that extremists on both the Left and the Right have in common is a desire to see the government go into default, triggering a collapse of the world economic system, because they know the only way they can succeed will be to impose their will upon the majority in times of chaos and uncertainty.
Yes, thinker, I get the point, but you missed it. Of course I know that banks do all these things. I was being facetious and sarcastic. My point is that you do not seem to know all of the services performed by the government, many of which are so vital to the banking industry that the banks have been shrill and strident in their call to end the shutdown asap before it damages their productive industry any further.
By the way, did you notice how your simplistic argument against the government began to sound like Marxist propaganda when applied almost verbatim to banks?
gurudori, it is a pleasure to see someone who knows what he is talking about. When you consider the problem at the ACA website, which is higher than anticipated volume, the timeouts and delays are inconvenient, but not severe errors. The problem was handled gracefully. A true error would have been for the website to gather the info from consumers and pretend to process it while actually dropping it and losing it.
thinker, you should not attempt to explain engineering to an engineer. In common parlance, terms like "fine tuning" and "troubleshooting" may be more or less equivalent, but in engineering these two terms have precise definitions and they refer to two entirely different processes.
I see you have switched over to a new argument in your reply. Since when does the Republi-Cant Party get veto power over legislation? This must be some new amendment that has not made it into the Constitution yet. The ACA must be implemented because it was enacted and the Extreme Right Fringe cannot manage to get it repealed, though the repeal of the ACA is the only legislation they have been willing to engage in since its passage.
I assume when you write "the people don't want it" you are using the same polling methods that predicted a landslide for Romney in the last election. Even Ted Cruz said that the ACA must be stopped before implementation because once the people actually get to use it they will never give it up. What he did not say, but is implied by his statement, is that the people will see through the tissue of lies he and his ilk have been circulating for all these years--in particular, the lie that the program will be a total disaster once implemented. If the opponents of the ACA really believed that themselves they would not be so desperate to kill it now. They would just stand back and watch the president fall flat on his face.
Everything isn't as easy and instantaneous as internet email, and the new ACA website will have its issues at first. Interesting that everyone thinks it’s so easy to launch a website that has to cover millions users at the same time with multiple applications and programs.
At work, we launched a new website to replace our 18 year old one so that it would work with the new technology like Ipads & smart phones, and had to convert over 15,000 pages. Yes, there were many link problems that had to be corrected and it has taken over a year to complete the process, so I think the ACA website will need time to work out the NORMAL kinks with launching such a website.
Mr. K, if you're Engineering/producing a "widget", a field test and/or beta is fine, but when you're dealing with a sixth of the economy, it's far too risky a proposition to roll it out prior to full trouble-shooting. But it's what Obama and the Left wants (gotta have something in the way of a legacy!), so it's to be implemented, even though the GOP doesn't want it, the people dont want it, and even some Democratic legislators don't want it.
Absolute apples and oranges Mr. K.. Banks are privately-owned (admittedly, sometimes by those with an extremely self-serving agenda), and "contributions" are made voluntarily, as are agreements to lending terms, mortgages, etc., while the govt. insists on mandatory compliance. Banks are productive because they provide a service to others by providing them with interest if they open a savings account, IRA, and such, or receiving interest to fund operations, pay wages, satisfy share-holders (if applicable), etc. when they lend money. If I choose to patronize a bank, or become a member of a credit union, it doesn't affect you or the general economy, but if I choose to withhold taxes from Uncle Sam, it lessens the overall pool of funds to allocate and distribute to everyone. There are many other differences, but I trust you sufficiently get the point?
The "shutdown" is going to raise all sorts of questions, most of them legitimate. On one particular point -- could it be that because Johnson and Caslen are new to their positions they don't have the contacts tat might have provided them with better information to proceed? Not their fault, but the academies also have a strong political component.
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