Stacy in Woodland Park - just because you can't smell your own stink doesn't mean the rest of us should have to put up with it. Politically-charged partisan drivel such as Fox News (or from any other political persuasion) should not be a part of our public services, ESPECIALLY in places where we vote, as the OP pointed out. And what is most concerning is that Chuck Broerman the County Clerk and Recorder, the one who has dictated to his employees that only his propaganda can be played on the television sets in the County Recorder's Office, has a record of such abuse (Google "Chuck Broerman Nabbed in Parking Scheme"). We all need to keep an eye on Chuck, as it looks like his priority is to serve his party, and not the general public. OP Kerri, don't hold your breath for your promised phone call from Chuck, because I'll bet that he is a coward when it comes to dealing with people not directly under his thumb. We need to make sure this guy doesn't get another chance in the henhouse, and the best way to do that is through the ballot box.
So..... My complaint is not about WHICH political propaganda was being fed to citizens from El Paso County Citizen's Center, it is THAT political propaganda was being fed... If it is "stupid" to expect that our governmental agencies abide by the Constitutional Protections that our country is based upon, call me "stupid"... I prefer "stubborn and unafraid to speak up".... Is it so difficult to understand that a public service agency should not promote ANY political agendas? That our form of government (by Constitutional definition) expressly prohibits such behavior? Would "Staci in Woodland Park" feel the same if it was MSNBC, CNN or Al Jazeera that was playing at the DMV? I would....
OMG Kerri Oliver that is the most ridiculous and stupid complaint I have EVER heard. You are not a critical thinker. You cannot handle any opinion that crosses your own little worldview. You cannot even bear the thought that somebody might, just might, not agree with your point of view. Go home, turn on MSNBC and cower in your little safe space. For a group of people that supposedly have "open" minds you are amazingly myopic. Try listening to those that don't agree with you sometime, you just might learn something.
Kerri O: A little research on Chuck Broerman the County Clerk and Recorder reveals that his putting politics ahead of democracy and the public good is not a new MO for Chuck. In 2002 he found himself in hot water when he violated parking laws to interfere with a voting place. See this link:
Amazing that this behavior hasn't caught up with Chuck yet - seems like we have elected a fox to guard the hen house. Shame on us Colorado Springs!
"I simply believe that the imbalance of "power" in our community is not an acceptable status quo"
Okay, let's start here: What about the "imbalance" on a national scale, esp. when the POTUS governs by executive fiat beyond the limitations established by the "separation of powers" and with the complicit acceptance and encouragement of the MSM?
"White P3nis Party" - And with that, any credibility from the Left--however minimal--instantaneously evaporates.
As for these other bloggers: regressives ain't happy unless they're hypocritical and intolerant, so blow them off. They're nasty, miserable people living in a utopia where their thoughts are provided, actions are taken, and bills are paid by others...
I simply believe that the imbalance of "power" in our community is not an acceptable status quo. Actually, without citizens accepting the responsibility of questioning such practices, our "liberties" will totally vanish. I'm not a fan of being sheep that passively take whatever the elected "powers" wish to dish out. There are certain things that elected officials and their spawn have the authority to control, and others that they do not... Breaking the law by feeding the electorate one-sided propaganda from a poling place is not one of those things that they have the authority to do. These are the laws of the land which are based upon The Constitution and for the protection of ALL, not just the self professed ruling class.
Thanks for the usual outstanding analysis from you, Ralph!
Kerri O: I was annoyed by the same when I visited the DMV office last. When I mentioned it to the DMV desk employee she just rolled her eyes and said there was nothing that anyone could do since the order came from the clerk. Thank you for speaking your mind to the DMV, even if the coward never got back to you. Apparently Chuck Broerman is the stereotypical autocrat who gets some kind of self-aggrandizing pleasure in forcing his personal beliefs on his employees and the public. I hadn't heard of this low-life before but I'll be looking for his name in the ballot box in the future.
Good on ya, Kerri. I had a similar experience last year. No results. It's good to be the king. So the king of the local White P3nis Party gets to feed us this pablum when we visit. As for these other bloggers: republicans ain't happy unless they ain't happy. Blow them off. They are nasty, miserable people living in a fantasy Johnsonville.
Kerri Oliver: El Paso County is predominantly conservative, for better or worse, so what did you expect? The Oprah Channel?
Beautifully stated Bruce Hamilton!
When Vietnamized wrote:
“…this country has always been something of a socialist democracy.” …
he reminded me that the first three words of the Constitution are: “We the People”, not “Me the Individual”, or “It the Corporation”.
Bernie reawakened many Americans to the spirit of the Founders and their desire to make America a “more perfect union”. He reminded us that the government they established is aspirational, not confrontational, inclusionary, not exclusionary, and exists to make all citizens’ lives better, not establish an environment for protecting expanded Capitalist exploitation. Yes, this is a Democratic Socialist Nation, founded during the enlightenment’s heightened awareness of the Social Responsibility we ALL share in expanding the Common Good.
I helped sponsor Mr. Hightower to speak to the Democrats in Tom Green County, TX prior to the 2012 election - I'm a huge fan, and I think he's exactly right. Bernie 'spoke' to all of us when he belabored the system for being corrupt and rigged for the rich. I would have voted for him without reservation. Now we have to avoid a Trump presidency and there is no way I'm going to split the vote. What would our world be like if the new President was favored by Vladimir Putin, his puppet master Aleksandr Dugin and owes millions to the Chinese banking system.
I strongly agree with NewTom that Bernie has had a positive influence on the Democratic platform and I would remind other readers that this country has always been something of a socialist democracy. We all pay for common services and infrastructure...as long as some anti-tax, debt-addled sequestering fool doesn't shut the government down again (are you listening, Ted Cruz?)
That's a reassuring thought. He strongly influenced the platform's Hopefully we'll get a election results that will put the government back to work rather than obstructing every good idea
Kyle, one other thought after I posted my last ...again, long response, sorry about that.
Tulsi Gabbard, whom I love, has strong native Samoan blood lines.
There are other Native people running down ballot.
Let's support them.
They had it right, it was the white man, wacicu that screwed things up. Let's put our government back in their hands.
Don't give up on being a liberal or progressive, we need folks like you to help right the ship..so to speak.
Just a though my friend. :)
I can totally relate to what you are saying. I don't think there was anything you wrote that I would disagree with.
I was a "berner" for the reasons you wrote.
I agree with the use of taxes, our means of giving back and what I really liked is you didn't seem to have an issue with using taxes to help lift Americans out of poverty, to help give all Americans good health care. I had read that the dental health of middle class Americans is equivalent to third world nations. If someone questions that, I will look that up to get some references.
Those uses are what seems to give conservatives so much heart burn. Calling it a "nanny state', or takers vs. makers.
I would love to see less money going to the military, I think we spend more than enough. Stop paying for regime changes and nation building and into the hands of middle class Americans.
I think we are in agreement.
I don't love Hillary, neither do I dislike her. :) I have a lot of issues with Hillary. I do dislike Trump.
Like it or not, one of those two will be leading this nation for at least the next 4 years. Trump frightens me much more than Hillary.
Lesser of two evils....sure.
It would be nice to change our system to where 3rd or more party candidates would have a real chance of a real run in this country. But we are still in a place where 3rd or more party candidates will give the election to either the Republican or Democratic candidate. That's the problem with voting for one of them.
I don't think Dr. Stein is really qualified to run a country like this, I like what she says, but some I think is simply impractical at this point in time.
I will never vote for a libertarian, as in my opinion, they don't like "community". They want to be left alone to take of themselves and the rest of us to fend for ourselves. Obviously, from my last post, that is a problem for me. I believe in community.
I don't mind calling myself a liberal or progressive. I am an independent as far a political parties go, being a Vermonter, it is implicit to be an Independent as we don't affiliate to a party, because they don't ask.
The other reason I would vote for Hillary, is we still have the Bern! He is not going anywhere and is going to be very involved now with transforming the Democratic party. He has already made a huge difference in the platform and with some of Hillary's positions. She has moved a bit to the left on some issues thanks to the Berne.
To move this country more to where you would like to see it go, support the Revolution, support candidates like Tulsi Gabbard and other more progressive folks down ballot and it will help to continue to move Hillary to the left, ones who will push back on her more hawkish tendencies and less into building bombs and nations
Who knows what we would get with Trump. It scares the crap out of me and makes me feel good I am less than two hours from Canada. Just in case.
I think you rock, Kyle.
Stay involved, work with the revolution, the revolution needs you and I believe even with Hillary in the white house, we can move in the direction you and I would like to go. I don't think we have that hope with Trump.
Pilamaya Yelo my friend....Mitakue Oyasin.
I appreciated your writing, and would specifically like to comment on your discussion of taxes and paying them in the spirit of 'giving back'. I agree with this sentiment. However, I do think that we no longer have the representation I grew up believing we had. I think now is the time to ask how patriotic a German citizen in 1936 may have felt, paying taxes and joining the military to serve his country.
I agree with your Lakota friends in their assessment of white culture. I think by paying taxes now, we are simply paying taxes to the Wakiku God.
I have no problem with paying taxes for healthcare, roads, housing assistance, etc. I really, really have a tough time paying taxes to bomb innocent people in countries for our own economic advantage. Considering that we apparently have made no progress in actually properly providing healthcare, or maintaining or infrastructure, or teaching our youth, and this despite the overwhelming desire of our populace to do such things, tells me something is wrong. The fact that we've made incredible progress in bombing babies in other countries tells me something is really wrong! Of all the things we agree on, we agree we shouldn't just haphazardly bomb kids and families in other countries. But that seems to be what we are best at.
Topping it off, Liberals now are saying we have to vote for the candidate who has over and over again proven herself corrupt, and who defined her career as a Secretary of State with the toppling of Libya, which at the time had one of the highest standards of living of any African country. O yeah, she also is desperately trying to get into Syria, and a quick search of her emails on Wikileaks will show why. She's wanted to since 2001- in order to destabilize Iran and strengthen Israels regional position. O, and she also denies Palestinian attempts at statehood.
Wonderful liberal candidate. I am having an easier time departing from the democratic party now though, and even the label of "liberal", which have both seemed to equate themselves with normalizing world atrocities.
That's a tangent from paying taxes, but literally, how I am having an increasingly difficult time paying taxes which go to depleted uranium rounds to salt the earth of Libya, Yemen, Sudan, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Palestine, Syria, etc. -
Can anyone relate to that?
I find your stereotyping of me, being a progressive, somewhat insulting and quite inaccurate.
I have worked hard for everything I have. I have worked hard my whole life. The state is not my provider, nor is it my all knowing deity. I rely on myself and I think for myself. You and I are no different in that aspect.
As far as stealing, which I believe is your alias to paying taxes.
The Lakota, beautiful wise people, whom I was so blessed to meet and learn from when I lived in your neck of the woods, called the white man "wacicu". Wacicu, very loosely interpreted, means one who does not give back. They took and they took, but they didn't give back. The Lakota noticed that when they observed the white man slaughtering buffalo and leaving the full dead carcasses to rot, among other actions where the white man took and took and took from our Earth Mother.
I consider paying taxes as a way of giving back to our country and our people for what I have received living here. So, I sign my tax document with gladness to be able to give back. My opinion, those of you who hate to pay taxes are still wacicu, you still have not learned the concept of giving back.
I realize the greater debate is are we paying too much. However, there are many wealthy individuals and corporations in this country who pay nothing or close to nothing in taxes. Until Mr. Trump, the Republican nominee shows us his tax forms, I will assume he is very much a wacicu.
Are you still living as a wacicu Tannim? Do you feel a gladness to give back to help others in this country that has given you the opportunities you have had?
The native people had a strong feeling of community. They could not rejoice if others in their community were hurting, they took care of each other.
Because of this strong sense of community Tannim, the U.S. government took on the mindset to "save the child, they must kill the indian". Their first step was to kill this strong sense of community and instil the mindset to look after themselves and let others take care of themselves. This sounds very familiar to current Republican mindset.
As far as Eminent Domain is concerned, what you are referring to as coveting, that's a difficult concept for me. I have mixed feelings, because I believe in community, I am willing to give for the common good.
I think if it is right or wrong, depends on a case by case basis. Giving up your property for some corporation...hell no! I will stand beside you to protest that.
However, if it can be shown that it is indeed for the common good, I don't necessarily oppose that. But for those who do give for the common good should be compensated in a very satisfactory manner. They have given back and they need to be rewarded for such an act of love for our community.
As far as murder goes and a police state, I won't argue with that at all. I am with you, we need to overhaul our law enforcement. There was a time in my life, I am 61 years old, it was very uncommon for an officer to take a life and when they did it was a very traumatic event and many officers could not get over that trauma and left the force.
It seems nowadays an officer may have taken many lives and it doesn't seem to bother or affect them at all, they can strangle a man to death on video and walk away feeling good and proud. I find that alarming and frightening.
Having said all of this Tannim, I want to thank you for your very respectful debate. I believe your were the one I told a while back that name calling is beneath you. You and I have never met, I just knew you were better than that and you have shown me I was correct.
Pilamaya Yelo (thank you) and Mitakue Oyasin ( we are all related, or all one), we can take this concept one step further, left leaning or right leaning, Pagan or Christian, we are all American's.
I would love Tannim to be able to call you "kola"....My Friend.
More of the same liberal media trash talk. Yawn.... Speaking of liars...... the Clintons have both lied under oath.
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