Perhaps if enough of us come to terms on the idiocy of Douglas Bruce's blatant attempt to destroy Colorado with TABOR we can repeal it.
T.Rump, the prehistoric, misogynistic, creature hell bent on devouring the Republican party
If gun ownership pre-existed the Constitution why did the Founders insist on the 2nd Amendment? Amendments followed the original Constitution, if memory serves. I called it a privilege because it is a privilege to live here. As far as hunting for horns, the meaning was a little unclear - maybe trophy hunting says it better. There are game ranches in Texas where you can pay $2000/day/per gun to hunt trophy whitetail, Blacktail (mule deer to us), elk (yes, elk in Texas - saw the biggest 8x8 bull I've ever seen on my project), as well as numerous exotic species...and those guys aren't interested in the tenderloin. If it were illegal to trophy hunt then all these Boone and Crockett lists would be meaningless. I prefer the youngest, tastiest elk I can find, and I don't shoot deer anymore - ate enough venison in my life, though it does make pretty good chili when mixed 50-50 with pork. I gave you a like because you stimulated conversation, even thou IMHO you were only partially right.
"As a liberal and a hunter, I hunt for meat, but there are many who hunt for horns, or for the 'manliness' of it all. " -- Vietnamized
Actually it is exceptionally uncommon these days for people to hunt strictly for horns, in fact it is illegal in many states.
"I have been hunting all of my life, and I feel no threat to my 2nd Amendment privileges afforded by the Constitution."
The Second protects a right, not a privilege, and it has squat to do with hunting. The right it protects is pre-existing, not something given by the Constitution.
"As populations have grown deer have been crowded into smaller and smaller ranges, "
And deer populations have also increased dramatically -- there are more whitetail deer in the US now than when Columbus arrived in the "New World".
"The real alternative to not hunting is not pretty. Deer overpopulate their range and die of starvation."
Quite true. In places like California where the Bambi huggers have held sway over what should have been a scientific decision on how many animals to harvest, what mix of genders to harvest, etc, they mismanaged their deer populations so badly that almost 80% of all fawns died of starvation or diseases related to malnutrition before they were 1 year old.
Boy, I should have read this one first! I commented on the previous City Sage column about much the same subject. Dump Trump!
So, Mr Mudd, you're comfortable with a guy that takes campaign money from Russian oligarchs, idolizes the tyrant Putin (who plays him like a toy drum), is in hock to China, and has your vote because he "tells it like it is". Political correctness may be cumbersome at times, but as my Grandmother would say, "Good manners don't cost a thing, and they make you look good."
So, according to T.Rump, Mexicans are rapists, the David Duke crowd is A-OK, the American worker already makes too much money, our military is in shambles with its generals reduced to rubble, POWs (my Dad was one in WWII - he would have literally punched Trump out after his comment about McCain) are losers for being shot down over enemy territory, our African American population lives in squalor, and venereal disease was his personal Vietnam.
News flash, Mr T.Rump - you are a draft dodger, a coward, a bully and a general asshat. You are 6 inches taller than I am, but I would beat you up one side of the street and down the other and send you home crying like a baby. And I'm older than you are. Consider that a personal challenge.
Old Crank, I think you've been channeling my thoughts ever since I moved back to Colorado three years ago. But the problem is not just here...it's everywhere. My father retired from 30 years of military service. His native entrepreneurial spirit drove him to build condos in Ski Town USA in preparation for the 1976 Olympics, but the voters of Colorado torpedoed that world-sized event and my father's dreams. In Colorado TABOR and the criminal Doug Bruce (originally elected in Colorado Springs, was he not?) are the easy targets for our ire, but the thousands of nitwits who elected him and voted for TABOR as a Colorado Constitutional amendment are certainly equally to blame.
Speaking of my father, he made the incorrect observation that as a liberal, commie, pinko that I was I expected the government to take care of me. I reminded him that the government had been taking care of him his entire adult life, and I had drawn a total of 3 weeks unemployment in a 25 year work history. It pissed him off, but he shut up. Your comment about the retired military in this town preferring their mailbox money to actual enterprise was spot on.
Ronald Reagan is to blame for the general dislike of government and taxes. I realize that everyone remembers that Reagan cut taxes...but do they realize that he tripled the national debt and actually raised taxes 11 times? He was "The Great Communicator", but his message never resonated with me, and I still cringe when the Reagan name is bandied about as him being a great president. Mediocre at best. As far a Reagan bringing about the collapse of the Soviet Union, baloney! They did it to themselves with a war in Afghanistan and a top heavy bureaucracy that served themselves instead of their citizens. That Reaganesque word play is still with us today, and the anti-tax nuts are still at it.
Taxes are our ticket to a free and democratic society. Period. Without them we would have no military, no infrastructure, no police protection (can't afford them), no firemen, no education system, no nuthin'! If Trump's tax plan (like W's) somehow goes forward, or even Paul Ryan's plan, then the wealthy beneficiaries of said plans will continue to buy their favorite politicians and still have a handsome stack of change to play with afterwards. It's a self-perpetuating scandal that the average citizen continues to buy into and get screwed by. Wake up, people!
We need to try to reverse this course while we still can, anti-tax morons and their elected monkeys be damned. Repeal TABOR as soon as possible, elect sensible budget-minded statesmen/women who truly wish to make a difference and make this city a better place to live, streamline public services, institute laws like Great Britain that nullify elections if you lie blatantly about your opponent, require lawmakers to make laws instead of beginning their next reelection run the day after the were reelected the last time, limit campaigning to 6 weeks (like Canada), repeal Citizens United and institute real campaign finance reform, and start putting the country first instead of your political party.
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As a liberal and a hunter, I hunt for meat, but there are many who hunt for horns, or for the 'manliness' of it all. I have been hunting all of my life, and I feel no threat to my 2nd Amendment privileges afforded by the Constitution. Gina, you are certainly entitled to your opinion and I am glad you chose to voice it here.
Now, as to hunting, and deer/auto collisions: The deer were here first and we have encroached on their homeland, much as we did the Native Americans - Territorial Imperative my foot. As populations have grown deer have been crowded into smaller and smaller ranges, and contact between species is pretty much inevitable...especially when whizzing down the road at 70+ mph at night. One of the purposes of hunting is to control the species in a purportedly humane manner (you lousy shots who gut-shoot your quarry - this does not apply to you). As a recent letter in the Denver Post brought out that hunting license sales have gone down every time the Dept of Fish and Wildlife raised the license fees. I don't know, because I recently moved back and have not fully experienced the carnage of post-TABOR Colorado. It makes sense though. A suggestion was that, since all wildlife belongs to all citizens that the maintenance of public lands and hunting and fishing enforcement should be handled out of the General Fund. To this I add that it be an add-on rather than an offset so that there really is more money for the programs. It's worth some thought.
The real alternative to not hunting is not pretty. Deer overpopulate their range and die of starvation. Water becomes scarce. Predation is limited because we still allow their predators to be hunted. The outcry against wolves (who were also here first, by the way), driven by ranchers and sheepherders, only serves to exacerbate the problem by spreading false information about the role of wolves in the wild. Ask anyone north of I 70 who has had an counter with an aggressive moose if they think there should be more wolves in the area to control the moose population.
LibertyForAll, you could have made your point without the snark, but "There is a multitude of articles" instead of 'There are a multitude of articles"...tsk, tsk! One snark deserves another.
"Why can't The Second Amendment People protect us from these deer? I thought the whole point of owning all these high-powered weapons was to hunt? Why won't they do their patriotic duty, and go out and hunt them deer?" - Gina Douglas
1) If you think the Second Amendment is about hunting, you are dramatically mistaken.
2) Define "high powered".
3) Many of us do hunt.
John's recent columns seem rather melancholy with a pensive tone of resignation to one's destiny. In this case, one glorious block downtown cannot make up for the dreary prognosis for a city crumbling to dust under TABOR's jackbooted heel.
Harvey Album: Your support for the "thin blue line" is noted and dismissed. Support for the thin blue line causes people to be surrounded by thick white lines.
Scott Olson: On your six-hour walking tour of the homeless, can your people do something useful and pick up their trash?
Gina Douglas: You are encountering the radical terrorist sect Deersh, related to Daesh, but hunting in city limits is illegal per your liberal City Council.
Surprise, surprise: another liberal, hyperbolic, faux-indignant screed about the 2nd Amendment and gun control. Regressives may not be many things, but they're certainly consistent in their misrepresentation of this matter, Congratulations?
Gina--and many of you seem--to overlook (intentionally?) the fact that deer hunting is a carefully measured and organized process, with licenses allocated in very specific quantities based-upon population density and geographic factors, and which can be prohibitively expensive, esp. for out-of-state hunters that bring an influx of tourism dollars when they visit, and these funds also help sustain environmental initiatives and wildlife management.
And most hunters don't perform the activity for "sport", but for the meat that is gained after processing, and as for the vehicular angle you're trying to exploit, here's a bit of information from the link I've presented:
"Reason No. 19 why Hunting Is Conservation: Hunting has major value for highway safety. For every deer hit by a motorist, hunters take six"
There is a multitude of articles illustrating all of this in elaborate detail; please research instead of making knee-jerk, fallacious assumptions.
Concerning the arts. Jon, You couldn't be more right about coverage of the arts. Honest feedback and critique is essential for an artist to grow, and for a vibrant arts scene to flourish.
Cottonwood, (a big thanks, and apologies to Lizz Driscoll, for dealing with my flakey ass) gave me the opportunity several years back to show and sell work at the now closed Cottonwood on Tejon gallery. Your organization was welcoming, encouraging, and paid the artists fairly and on time. Thanks, it was an experience I will always be grateful for, and think fondly of.
You, and the entire staff at Cottonwood are a very special and unique asset to this community. Keep up the great work.
WOW..... Talk about a thread going off topic. Everything from narcissistic score keeping of "likes" which come off like a high school girl talking about a selfie she posted on Instagram, to mean-spirited, ill informed, vicious, antiwar rhetoric and name calling from a conflict that ended forty years ago, which comes off like an angry troll living in his moms basement. The only thing missing was a logical dialog of the subject at hand. Did anyone actually read Kerri's letter? She states that she was given the choice between what is rightfully considered politically biased FOX news -- although they are all biased in their own way -- and the apolitical ESPN. Yet everyone picked option 3, which was to spout off and throw self-centered tantrums. One of the biggest issues we face in this society is the lack of a centrist viewpoint. Everyone has moved far right or far left; is pragmatism a thing of the past? The truth almost always lies somewhere in between the extremes. If this is indicative of society as a whole we are all screwed. Take a deep breath and realize we are all a bunch of silly little creatures on what should be a fun little ride on the whirligig that is planet earth.
now yall know THEY can not dictate what will happen in the privacy of your own home. i see a dozen law suits on the horizon. THE CITY COUNCIL NEEDS TO MIND ITS OWN BUSINESS....OR MAYBE DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE HEROIN IN OUR TOWN????
Kerri, Bill W and all the others who posted or liked our threads, thank you! I have been doing this in hostile forums for over 20 years now, and the most positive thing it does is generate more conversation about issues that affect all of us. I will be writing a letter soon that will address the sorry state of affairs locally, statewide and nationally that has been spawned by the Newt Gingrich GOPAC handbook on how to cast your opponent in the worst light possible without actually having any proof. The American voter is being conned mightily by the likes of Frank Luntz and Karl Rove (pay attention, all you evangelicals - Karl Rove laughed at you when he got W elected in part with your support - the rest of it was a crooked Secretary of State in Florida who instituted a voter purge that was "far too broad and would yield thousands of false positives" according to the private company who performed the study...she should have been the Ambassador to Chad).
There is much afoot in the way of shenanigans - another huge, indiscriminate voter purge targeting minorities that is a carbon copy of the 2000 Florida purge that drew scrutiny from the Federal Election Commission, NAACP, ACLU and numerous other groups and individuals. It should be arrested and eliminated immediately. Why is it that Democrats want more people to vote and why do Republicans want fewer...and voters that are more influenced by sound bites and the tripe fed them by the devious few.
Thanks...for several reasons, in order of importance below:
1. Thanks for your military service. Much appreciated...and respected.
2. Thanks for entering the fray and not being intimidated by the usual suspects.
3. Thanks for your post military service to our country. You're obviously a very successful entrepreneur, and one of those that your detractors always claim to favor.
Please keep posting...
Liberty for all and Staci in WP:
Just curious. I highly doubt you would have a problem with MSNBC playing in government offices, right? Since you have no problem with Fox, you couldn't possibly object to other viewpoints...
Here are emails exchanged with Wayne Williams in 2014 regarding the FOX news station playing at the DMV.
I spent a bit of time at the DMV on Powers today and want to say your staff was extremely helpful and got me through very quickly. I was a bit surprised though that FOX news was on the TV. I am so offended by their raciest and anti-gay agenda not to mention how much they hate the President of The United States. Perhaps you could find something else that would be more inclusive to all of your customers.
Thank you for your time,
Thanks for contacting me.
First, thank you for your comments on our staff and service. I very much appreciate your input and am proud of the service we provide.
With respect to the broadcast selection, all networks have their fans and detractors. Our branch offices have the technology capacity for displaying only one news broadcast. We have made the selection of the network based on which network is the most popular. Throughout the time I have been Clerk, this has been Fox News. See http://www.deadline.com/2014/01/fnc-extend…. As noted in the report, Fox’s viewership is significant larger than any of the other news networks. Since each of the networks has both proponents and detractors, making the decision in a democratic fashion seems appropriate.
On the other hand, our main office on Garden of the Gods has the capacity for more than one network, so CNN typically is shown there as well. If the network shown on the television monitor is a factor in which office you choose to use, the main office is located 1675 W Garden of the Gods Road, 80907.
Thanks again for contacting me.
Wayne W. Williams
El Paso County Clerk & Recorder
From: Cheryl Barry [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 3:14 PM
To: Wayne Williams
Subject: DMV on Powers
Thank you so much for getting back to me. I do understand your reasoning but I wonder where it is most popular? Nationally? In the deep south? State wide? I guarantee that if you surveyed my neighborhood it would not be. Just because it is most popular does not mean it is fitting for a public, government office that thousands of people have to visit weather they want to or not. My friends and I pay the same taxes, we pay the same amount for our licenses and registrations and we should not be forced to watch something we find so offensive and slanted. I am not asking for MSNBC which I do realize people on the other side would be offended by but CNN does seem to be a good middle ground. It is on in every airport in the world. But why news? The Wells Fargo bank that I used to go to in Denver always had HGTV on and people enjoyed watching it while waiting in line. I have also seen a cooking network somewhere that seemed appropriate.
I sure hope you will give this some consideration. I should not have to choose which DMV I have to go to based on which will offend me the least.
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