Wednesday, June 19, 2013
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Re: “Bach and pot sales, road closure proposal, and the gun debate”
Hi Stacy in Woodland Park…
According to your NPR source: "Overall, the city's murder rate has dropped dramatically in the FIRST THREE MONTHS of this year, to a level not seen since 1959." This information is correct, backed up by many media reports.
However, letter-writer Ron Coleman referred to FEBRUARY, the month after the presidential inaugural, when he wrote, "The next month the murder rate dropped to a 1958 low."
According to the sources below, February's 14 murders actually represented the lowest monthly total since January 1957, when there were 12. We therefore changed the year in Ron's letter to 1957...
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/…
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=n…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkbl…
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2013/…
Thanks for taking the time to read the Indy and send us your thoughts.
— Mary Jo Meade (a fact-checker at the Indy)
Posted by
Mary Jo Meade
on 06/17/2013 at 9:54 AM
Re: “Are Colorado Springs' curses biblical?”
"Republicans, who will be even more firmly linked to uncompromising gunnies. Fine in Colorado Springs, awful nationally." really? Where do you see that? Point being, I don't see any new federal gun laws. They cannot pass congress. So, it appears your assumption is wrong.
Posted by
Stacy in Woodland Park
on 06/16/2013 at 11:24 AM
Re: “Only in Colorado Springs”
I wonder how many that commented actually knew what this article is about. Just saying. wow.
Posted by
JNeck
on 06/16/2013 at 9:19 AM
Re: “Bach and pot sales, road closure proposal, and the gun debate”
Sil Arteaga, none of the gun control laws Giron helped pass will save people's lives.
You may think we have all been duped, but tell me exactly how you think these laws will be enforced? How are the police going to prove a firearm originally bought in the 1990s was sold in a private transfer after July of 2013? How are they going to prove a background check was not done? How are they going to prove that someone has not continuously owned their 16 cartridges magazine?
Also, the NRA does not sell firearms and does not make money from firearm sales. 85% of their funding comes from membership dues and individual donations.
The bottom line, Sil, is that you are the one who has been duped.
Posted by
Dave H
on 06/15/2013 at 4:32 PM
Re: “Bach and pot sales, road closure proposal, and the gun debate”
And to be clear, Kirk Woundy, if you actually DID all this fact-checking that you claim then you would know that the murder rate in Chicago dropped to a 1959 low, not a 1957 low. http://www.npr.org/2013/04/02/175997137/ch…
Layers and layers of fact checkers.................................
Posted by
Stacy in Woodland Park
on 06/14/2013 at 5:02 PM
Re: “Bach and pot sales, road closure proposal, and the gun debate”
To be clear, Mad Dog 20 20, IndyJones is not the Independent. There is no relation. And we fact-check all letters before going to press, though we cannot do the same for online comments. Thanks for reading. Kirk Woundy Editor-in-chief
Posted by
Kirk Woundy
on 06/14/2013 at 6:15 AM
Re: “Red Rocks' regrettable reminder”
This is only the tip of the iceberg of what IS NOT reported in a informative manner to the general public. In the past 3 years I personally have witnessed 1st hand, on several occasions, the crime wave ranging from rape, abduction, shootings, and auto thefts that have become chronic and severe at ALL the areas city's parks and public lands. There are many crime reports every week that the CO Sp cops consistently withhold or under report. I asked an officer at one scene where a dozen or so cars were vandalized (and a gun was even stolen out of one) why I cant find any follow-up info in the local news, he said they are profiling the various groups of suspects they believe responsible but don't have the training or resources to dedicate to the problem. By not alerting the general public and under-reporting the level of severity of the problem they have more time (thus are more likely) to eventually catch the criminals. I feel this just shows the police didn't want to bring attention to the actual fact they are not able to do the job tax payers pay them to do..... for what ever reason: poor training, financial, staffing, priorities ... whatever the reason I just know the public areas MANY of us think of as a retreat to get away to enjoy the "Great Outdoors" has been and continues to be places very risky for everyone- more so women- and especially women who hit the trails alone.
Posted by
Susan Jarvis-Weber
on 06/13/2013 at 8:14 PM
Re: “Bach and pot sales, road closure proposal, and the gun debate”
Wrong again Indy. You remind me of the Gazette. They print all kinds of letters no matter how many falsehoods they contain. Who cares about facts. If I hear something on a conservative radio it must be true. Yeah right. You are wrong and Ms Lytle is correct. I had to call and make sure I got a ballot as I did not bother to vote in the previous election because there was nothing to vote for and I did not want to waste the stamp. I was told it was a good thing I called to say I was active as they were not planning on sending me a ballot. It was a good decision to block Gessler's plan. And nonsense like that which prevent people from expressing their first amendment rights can never be allowed to happen here.
Posted by
mad dog 20 20
on 06/13/2013 at 6:39 PM
Re: “Red Rocks' regrettable reminder”
Colorado Springs is the land of rape and assault.
Posted by
morlock
on 06/13/2013 at 12:43 PM
Re: “Red Rocks' regrettable reminder”
Good article.
Sadly the message will fall mostly on deaf ears given that this city just elected a wife beater for mayor and the "religious" crowd sees women as belonging at home, not out jogging like some uppity liberal.
Posted by
OldCrank
on 06/13/2013 at 10:58 AM
Re: “Red Rocks' regrettable reminder”
Such an important article. Thank you, Kirsten. I realize it may become lost due to the tragedy of the Black Forest fire, but I'd argue it's even more important now with so many women displaced by the fire who may be newly at risk in shelters, hotels, and the homes of acquaintances, strangers, friends and family. There are also children at risk in these environments, afraid and vulnerable, already victimized by the fire, with parents who may be distracted or distraught.
This does not diminish the tremendous compassion and generosity we see in our community in the face of this tragedy. But this article does serve as a good reminder, and potentially a comfort to someone who really needs it right now. I hope that we can pick up this topic after the fire is out and take a hard look at how we as a community, a society and a culture can change for the better.
Posted by
Kitkaede
on 06/13/2013 at 10:09 AM
Re: “Only in Colorado Springs”
um wow. Making up news are we?
Posted by
Jonathan Porter
on 06/13/2013 at 9:18 AM
Re: “Only in Colorado Springs”
Why does it matter if he is in the army? Its the few bad apples that give the rest a bad name. Plenty of "non military" people doing the same crap. Its just easy to group military and point the finger.
Posted by
joe shmoe
on 06/13/2013 at 8:13 AM
Re: “Only in Colorado Springs”
If you don't want an assault rifle, don't buy one. I don't want tofu, but it doesn't mean you can't by it.
The best thing assault rifles is keeping the IRS and TSA at bay when Obama sends them after us.
Posted by
TejonTech
on 06/12/2013 at 10:01 PM
Re: “Only in Colorado Springs”
When are the NRA nuts going to get a clue- WE DON'T WANT ASSAULT RIFLES OR AMMO ROUNDS SOLD IN THIS COUNTRY- your article was great, and to the point.
Posted by
wild wolf
on 06/12/2013 at 6:26 PM
Re: “Bach and pot sales, road closure proposal, and the gun debate”
The letter from the NAACP Colorado president is shockingly absurd. The fact is, since the first no-excuse mail ballot in 1994 no colorado secretary of state nor any county clerk has ever sent mail ballots to inactive-failed to vote voters because the law always prevented it. Gessler pressed for statewide uniformity so Denver's election processes are the same as El Paso's process.
Also, not one overseas ballot was prevented from being mailed. This claim is totally false.
Evers taught us that every vote is precious and shouldn't be cancelled out by an ineligible vote. Unfortunately, this letter is designed to simply take a swipe at Gessler which does a disservice to the public.
Posted by
IndyJones
on 06/12/2013 at 11:18 AM
Re: “Only in Colorado Springs”
Definitely heard you around Garden of the Gods in the middle of the night... Couldn't sleep thanks to that... Might want to think about other people occasionally... Scared my dog to death
Posted by
kv
on 06/12/2013 at 10:35 AM
Re: “Parking fees lead to car alarm in Manitou”
Manitou is worth it so shut up
Posted by
Debbie Tucker York
on 06/10/2013 at 6:07 PM
Re: “Parking fees lead to car alarm in Manitou”
Manitou is worth it so shut up!
Posted by
Debbie Tucker York
on 06/10/2013 at 6:07 PM
Re: “Red Rocks' regrettable reminder”
All women should take self defense classes, carry a gun (know how to use it, practice with it), and USE IT!!! Then use a Taser on him and then mace him then kick the shit out of him then call the police. When people realize it's up to them to protect themselves because there will never be police protection during normal life, that's when the numbers of these crimes will drop. And when the criminals start to understand that they may be killed committing there crime, the numbers will drop.