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Re: “Let's rise above violence

Rev Carter says "The very history of African Americans in America is shaped by terrorist acts of violence, rape and torture mostly by people not of color"

K- Rev Carter claimed most violence against blacks is caused by the 'not of color' people. That means whites. And note he said 'most'. His op-ed is here precisely to push this statistically false narrative.

Rev Carter also said "this violence will visit the homes of the just as well as the unjust. In Bible language, we are perhaps "reaping what we have sown."

I never said racism was a factor in the property crime or the murder. Nor did I say that The Rev's op-ed caused a black man to murder white Carrie Jean Melvin. You keep inventing things that aren't said. Voices in your head perhaps?

The inconvenient fact you cannot dispute is that white Carrie Jean Melvin was murdered in cold blood by a black man. I put Carrie Jean Melvin in the 'just' category. My question to the Rev, based on HIS words, still stands. Did Ms Melvin reap what she sowed?

Please, please try to stay on topic.

Posted by PacksA9 on 07/27/2015 at 10:46 PM

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Ohio cops hunt 70 black juveniles in late night "Mob And Rob" of Circle K store. Any comment Rev?

Posted by PacksA9 on 07/27/2015 at 10:22 PM

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"My question remains: Did Carrie Jean Melvin reap what she sowed?" Excuse me, but you still have not established that this murder was motivated by racism.

"It takes a warped sense of proportion to equate non-injury property crimes with cold-blooded murder." You balk at calling the "property crimes" acts of racism, without real evidence, but you have no such qualms at labeling the "cold-blooded murder" an act of racism without any evidence. I was merely highlighting your "warped sense of proportion."

Furthermore, you have presented no evidence that the murderer was motivated by this article by Rev. Carter, or by anything ever said or written by Rev. Carter, or by any other article published in the Independent, which is your main objection.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 07/27/2015 at 9:23 PM

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Yes, I am aware of Robert Byrd and I call him a racist sleazebag. Is that enough righteous indignation for you or would you like some more? You seem to be laboring under the misapprehension that I am a mindless cheerleader for the Democratic Party, as you are for the Republican Party. Once again you are stereotyping me.

For a century after the end of the Civil War, the South was called the solid South, because the White population so despised Abraham Lincoln and his party they refused to vote for anyone but a Democrat. This all changed after President Lyndon Johnson, also a Democrat, got the civil rights act passed. Johnson predicted this action would cost Democrats the allegiance of the South, but he went ahead because it was the right thing to do. Richard Nixon was the first Republican to capitalize on events by adopting what he called his "Southern strategy," which consisted of pandering to the racists who felt betrayed by the Democrats.

This is why it is essential to promote and protect the right of all American citizens to assemble and demonstrate for a redress of their grievances, because neither the Democratic Party nor the Republican Party can be counted on to stand up for us.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 07/27/2015 at 8:57 PM

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K - It takes a warped sense of proportion to equate non-injury property crimes with cold-blooded murder.

Each of the church burning bullet points in my original post were quotes from the CNN story I linked. They were not my words, nor did I ever use the phony progressive construct 'hate crime' in my own opinion or comments.

But Rev Carter did blame whites for hate-driven violence. What I did was point out his race baiting hypocrisy and dishonesty.

My question remains: Did Carrie Jean Melvin reap what she sowed?

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Posted by PacksA9 on 07/27/2015 at 8:48 PM

Re: “Back in the high life again

I believe he found a house and a vacant lot.

Posted by Cathleen Meadows on 07/27/2015 at 6:30 PM

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Are there any solutions?

Posted by Nancy Masterson Reinking on 07/26/2015 at 9:25 AM

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K- Diversion seems to be your only discussion tactic. No one in their right mind, regardless of race, supports the Democrat-founded KKK. But that's not the topic.

In his op-ed, Rev Carter misrepresented the facts. He made veiled racist threats. He IGNORES the horrendous state of the inner-city black condition caused by Democrat policy and his brothers in race hustling.

Black lives matter you say? What about my NYC statistic?

That's the topic at hand. Focus man, focus.

Since you brought up the Klan, did you know Robert Byrd, Democrat US Senator from WV was the longest serving Senator (50+ yrs) ever until his death in 2010. He was a member and recruiter for the KKK. This Democrat continued using the n-word in public until a few years before his death. I await your high and mighty outrage at this.

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Posted by PacksA9 on 07/25/2015 at 10:38 PM

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"While it looks like arson, fire investigators have not seen evidence that hate was a motivation for the crime..." While shooting a young woman with a shotgun looks like murder, no evidence has been presented to show hate was a motivation for the crime.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 07/25/2015 at 10:21 PM

Re: “Goodbye, Ann Zwinger

I loved every second with Ann...Finding monks hood wildflowers. Serving on the founding board of Catamount Institute....traveling and guiding together in Baja. Currently out environmental education students are reading beyond the aspen grove and I have purchases some of Ann's original prints that will be displayed at Catamount!

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Posted by Julie Francis on 07/25/2015 at 10:15 PM

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The Southern Poverty Law Center reports:

Columbia County, FL
Thomas Jordan Driver, 25; David Elliot Moran, 47; and Charles Thomas Newcomb, 42, all of whom were members of the Traditional American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, were arrested in an alleged conspiracy to kill a former black inmate. All of the men were either current or former employees of the Florida Department of Corrections.

Reported: 04/01/2015

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 07/25/2015 at 9:35 PM

Re: “Springs Dreams, seeking investors, PTSD, and more

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Posted by Sondra Lee Plunk on 07/25/2015 at 8:03 PM

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A 31 yr old black man was arrested Friday in connection with the slaying of a young white woman who was walking with her boyfriend in Hollywood earlier this month. The murderer walked up behind them, aimed a shotgun at her head and pulled the trigger.

Did Carrie Jean Melvin reap what she sowed?

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Posted by PacksA9 on 07/25/2015 at 12:16 PM

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Posted by Crystal Tyler Smith on 07/25/2015 at 9:48 AM

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Mr. Wyman How can NOT voting change anything? If No votes are logged then all who are there stay. Thats called uncontested. Is it not? If a person has no one running against him or no one votes for the one running against him he wins by default. So how does not voting accomplish anything? Besides our Country the one that is loved by you that you want to see changed is built around citizen participation. So I cant see how not will accomplish anything. Please explain the thought behind your statement.

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 07/23/2015 at 9:31 AM

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Rev Carter- May we also rise above your race hustler lies? Investigators say no links exist between recent black church fires.

Since the murders in Charleston, seven black churches have burned in five states. With the simplest of web searches, here are updates I found on six of those fires:

1) Lightning, not arson, caused the fire at the Mt Zion AME church in Greeleyville SC.

2) Greater Miracle Apostolic in Tallahassee, Florida - Fire was caused by a tree limb falling on power lines.

3) Glover Grovery Baptist in Warrenville, South Carolina - The cause has not been determined, but investigators saw no criminal intent.

4) Briar Creek Road Church in Charlotte, North Carolina - While it looks like arson, fire investigators have not seen evidence that hate was a motivation for the crime

5) College Hill Seventh-day Adventist in Knoxville, Tennessee - ATF and other agencies said that it looked like vandalism. Nothing so far has indicated a hate crime.

6) God's Power Church of Christ in Macon, Georgia - ATF is investigating, but no ruling has been made. The church had recently been broken into, and air conditioners and sound systems were stolen.

The NFPA says that of all church fires reported between 2007 and 2011:
- 30% were caused by cooking devices
- 25% started in kitchens or cooking areas
- 16% were started by lightning or electrical lines

"The very history of African Americans in America is shaped by terrorist acts of violence, rape and torture mostly by people not of color; they're also shaped by White greed and thirst for power." Spoken like a true race hustler.

Statistically speaking, "crimes being born out of the intrinsic climate of hate in America" involving black victims are overwhelmingly perpetrated by other blacks. Check the weekend crime news from any Democrat run big city. Blacks kill blacks in far greater numbers than are killed by any other race.

Did you know in NYC in 2012, more black babies were killed by their own mothers than were born alive?

"...a visitation upon us of the violent American society that has been created and perpetuated." Have you listened to any hip hop lately?

Rev Carter, your time would be best spent tending to your own flock.

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Posted by PacksA9 on 07/23/2015 at 9:02 AM

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Those who refuse to recognize history are doomed to repeat it. Thank you for connecting history to the present. My constant hope is for a future where all of us have equality of civil rights under law -- and a chance to live King's dream and the American dream!

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Posted by Christ Temple Community Church on 07/23/2015 at 8:11 AM

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Dean Miller; You make a good point about the PPRTA revision approach. It would be interesting to see how the County Commissioners would respond as they have intertwined it with Pikes Peak Area Governance for distribution. Also they other part of PPRTA tax goes to fund mass transportation.

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Posted by Jeff Eastman on 07/22/2015 at 4:14 PM

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Gina Douglas! Who protects you from an assailant in your home or in public? Are you 6 foot 5 inches 275 lbs of muscle and workout daily? What is the definition of "terrorism"? A dozen or so Americans are killed each year by terrorists. I will say that is the type of terrorist we read about and not a person who just plain terrorizes others. And feeling sorry for someone as you said you did is the delusion that you are better and are not going to die. Lose that attitude.
No American on earth has ever been or ever will be struck by a meteor.
The fact that many people nowadays carry concealed has made all of us safer. You do not know who is carrying and neither do bad persons. They do not like to take chances so they hunt on Bill Clinton's safe for lunatics zones; public schools!
Our inalienable Rights have a lot of weight and they are all we have. They are guaranteed which means they cannot be changed or adjusted. Any changes that have been made are a violation of Rights but many do not know this out of ignorance. The lack of education is as at the heart of it and guess who runs the schools? See you are already a bit smarter!(if you answered "government")
As for myself I am joining in on the movement that will clean out Washington DC and state houses of all sitting politicians. The movement is asking every voter to not vote. The incumbents will then be asked to clean out their desks. The people will then adhere to The Constitution and elect representatives for a term with the main rule that campaigns must be self-financed with a spending limit and nobody can lobby or contribute a dime. Special interests are gone. Military can return home to protect our borders and our Rights and police can return to walking the beat. If you want a service then you pay a tax for it. The Bill of Rights will no longer be interpreted by anyone over 10 years old. That is a good start unless you like things the way they are...

And in the ballpark:
In a 1939 game, pitcher Bob Feller's mother was cheering her boy on from the stands on Mother's Day. While Feller was pitching, a foul ball was hit into the stands, smacking poor Mrs. Feller in the head and injuring her over the eye.

It seemed strange enough that a foul ball hit by Denard Span
would fly into the stands and hit a woman who was wearing his jersey from the Twins. The woman was Span's mother.

finally just for fun ...
Pete Rose' final at-bat as a major league player on August 17, 1986. Rose, batting as a pinch hitter, struck out. Who was the pitcher?

Rick "Goose" Gossage

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Posted by Robert Wyman on 07/22/2015 at 2:55 PM

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