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Re: “ColoradoCare, Donald Trump, Palmer Park improvements, and more

Tannim...

I find your stereotyping of me, being a progressive, somewhat insulting and quite inaccurate.

I have worked hard for everything I have. I have worked hard my whole life. The state is not my provider, nor is it my all knowing deity. I rely on myself and I think for myself. You and I are no different in that aspect.

As far as stealing, which I believe is your alias to paying taxes.
The Lakota, beautiful wise people, whom I was so blessed to meet and learn from when I lived in your neck of the woods, called the white man "wacicu". Wacicu, very loosely interpreted, means one who does not give back. They took and they took, but they didn't give back. The Lakota noticed that when they observed the white man slaughtering buffalo and leaving the full dead carcasses to rot, among other actions where the white man took and took and took from our Earth Mother.

I consider paying taxes as a way of giving back to our country and our people for what I have received living here. So, I sign my tax document with gladness to be able to give back. My opinion, those of you who hate to pay taxes are still wacicu, you still have not learned the concept of giving back.

I realize the greater debate is are we paying too much. However, there are many wealthy individuals and corporations in this country who pay nothing or close to nothing in taxes. Until Mr. Trump, the Republican nominee shows us his tax forms, I will assume he is very much a wacicu.

Are you still living as a wacicu Tannim? Do you feel a gladness to give back to help others in this country that has given you the opportunities you have had?

The native people had a strong feeling of community. They could not rejoice if others in their community were hurting, they took care of each other.

Because of this strong sense of community Tannim, the U.S. government took on the mindset to "save the child, they must kill the indian". Their first step was to kill this strong sense of community and instil the mindset to look after themselves and let others take care of themselves. This sounds very familiar to current Republican mindset.

As far as Eminent Domain is concerned, what you are referring to as coveting, that's a difficult concept for me. I have mixed feelings, because I believe in community, I am willing to give for the common good.

I think if it is right or wrong, depends on a case by case basis. Giving up your property for some corporation...hell no! I will stand beside you to protest that.

However, if it can be shown that it is indeed for the common good, I don't necessarily oppose that. But for those who do give for the common good should be compensated in a very satisfactory manner. They have given back and they need to be rewarded for such an act of love for our community.

As far as murder goes and a police state, I won't argue with that at all. I am with you, we need to overhaul our law enforcement. There was a time in my life, I am 61 years old, it was very uncommon for an officer to take a life and when they did it was a very traumatic event and many officers could not get over that trauma and left the force.

It seems nowadays an officer may have taken many lives and it doesn't seem to bother or affect them at all, they can strangle a man to death on video and walk away feeling good and proud. I find that alarming and frightening.

Having said all of this Tannim, I want to thank you for your very respectful debate. I believe your were the one I told a while back that name calling is beneath you. You and I have never met, I just knew you were better than that and you have shown me I was correct.

Pilamaya Yelo (thank you) and Mitakue Oyasin ( we are all related, or all one), we can take this concept one step further, left leaning or right leaning, Pagan or Christian, we are all American's.

I would love Tannim to be able to call you "kola"....My Friend.

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Posted by Lil Mick on 08/26/2016 at 9:36 AM

Re: “Trump fights for the rich

More of the same liberal media trash talk. Yawn.... Speaking of liars...... the Clintons have both lied under oath.

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Posted by badenowl on 08/26/2016 at 9:34 AM

Re: “Wave your bandera with pride

The assumption, apparently, is that Trump is anti-Mexican. In my view, he is anti illegal alien. No matter where you sit in this emotionally charged election year, one needs to follow the laws of the land. Anything else leads to more problems than we already have.

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Posted by badenowl on 08/26/2016 at 9:31 AM

Re: “537 plants seized in medical marijuana sting; judge reverses course in case of accused doctors

BULL SHIT free the weed im 68 and this is still ridiculous

Posted by Angel Graham on 08/25/2016 at 9:39 PM

Re: “ColoradoCare, Donald Trump, Palmer Park improvements, and more

Lil Mick:

To the left, their god is not Jehovah but Big Brother and Big Nanny, they worship the state as their provider and all-knowing deity, and then rely on it for all in the same way that the theocrats on the right do. Yes, statism is a religion that tells people that it's OK to steal, covet, and murder for the greater good. That's what taxation, eminent domain, and the police state are all about.

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Posted by Tannim on 08/25/2016 at 12:12 PM

Re: “Colorado's election influence might be running cold

I went to the GOP Fair
A big orange baboon was there
The overgrown chump
Said his name was Trump
And spoke with a flatulent flair

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Posted by OldCrank on 08/24/2016 at 9:15 PM

Re: “ColoradoCare, Donald Trump, Palmer Park improvements, and more

Don McCullen:

I am a progressive pagan and I would be ok having the AHA pay taxes along with all religious organizations, churches, political non-profits and any other organizations that brings in an income.

I do disagree that I want to replace God with Government. To me they are separate entities that have differing functions, and it is completely illogical to an atheist. How can an atheist replace God with Government, to them God does not exist. So, there is nothing to replace.

...and this comment that progressivism is "A religion that tells people it's ok to steal, covert, and murder for the greater good." I don't even know how to make sense out of that, but if the source is Steve Deace, well that explains it, and not even worth debating.

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Posted by Lil Mick on 08/24/2016 at 4:46 PM

Re: “ColoradoCare, Donald Trump, Palmer Park improvements, and more

Unless they are involved in Progressive Politics longtooth. Right??? Will the American Humanist Association start paying taxes??? I doubt it cause they carry the water for the Progressive agenda as well. Progressive is not just poltical ideals, its also a Religion. A religion that tells people its ok to steal, covert, and murder for the greater good.

"We need to realize progressivism isn't a political ideology. It is a cult. A heresy that seeks to replace the church with its own religion. Replacing God with government. You can't defeat a heresy with a political party. Especially when the leaders of both parties are adherents to it to varying degrees. Only the church is capable to defeat a heresy. Progressivism is the heresy of this age."-Steve Deace

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Posted by Don McCullen on 08/24/2016 at 3:37 PM

Re: “ColoradoCare, Donald Trump, Palmer Park improvements, and more

Dave Beckwith: While you are correct about conflating the two pieces, Amendment 69 is not the solution. In simple terms, Colorado can't afford it. Health begins with the individual, not the state and not the insurance companies.

Larimore Nicholl: What makes you think she isn't?

Bob Kinsey: Channeling Adam Smith, champion of the free market, to call for the election of the watermelon Greens, who never met a free market they didn't hate, is disingenuous and completely ridiculous. They aren't another choice, unless one wants Hillary and Trump on steroids instead of simple common sense. That's yet another reason why the only sane and rational choice is to vote for your freedom and vote Libertarian.

Sally Alberts: The Hillarbillies are no better. Yes, America has gone mad. And you can blame both Democrats and Republicans for it, because they both are guilty of causing it and continuing it.

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Posted by Tannim on 08/24/2016 at 3:23 PM

Re: “ColoradoCare, Donald Trump, Palmer Park improvements, and more

Jerry Fallwell Jr. and the rest of you churches involved in our politics I have one thing to say to you: PAY YOUR TAXES!

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Posted by longtooth on 08/24/2016 at 10:21 AM

Re: “Next big (city) election looms just eight months away

Dream on about young people on council. To do this job well with both council and utilities board responsibilities, our current reps put in a nearly full time effort. At $6250/year that works out to far less than minimum wage. In 2013, voters decided in a landslide that they didn't want to pay any more for this job, and here we are with a large group of retirees who can actually make the time commitment. It is unreasonable to expect a young person to be able to pay for food, rent, student loans, and generally support their family while also basically volunteering full-time to govern our city and utility company. Expect "Geezer City" to be the norm for a while.

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Posted by Gabe Caunt on 08/23/2016 at 5:53 AM

Re: “That's a lot of guns

Did the shitty sage hire these morons to waste time? Mine, yours, whoever, to cover his lack of rational thought and myopic view up his rear end?
Nobody will learn from this column or the weekly rag itself and it is easy to see that- unless you were born yesterday. You will learn to hate Douglas Bruce and not know who he is or was and end it with a preposition. You will not really learn about Wyatt Earp but will have assumptions instead. You will not learn that police carry firearms because they are sane, noble and deserving. They protect themselves with firearms. And kill citizens that pose a threat of any sort, that which will be judged at that moment. They do not consider the fear they instill to be a factor. Police are the sole possessors of sound judgement, citizens are not possessing of anything but drugs and guilt. And drugs are bad, mmmmkay, don't drugs mmmmkay, if you do drugs you're bad mmmmkay....
Earp was in law enforcement and protected the saloons and brothels that he owned. He disallowed open and concealed carry and that is understandable, all pimps that run things do not want to be challenged, they just want the citizen's money. Politicians and law enforcement ran everything. There was never a "stand in the street" gunfight, face to face, one on one. That is all myth except for the OK Corral where a dozen men settled a beef with firearms. The Earp's of course were on one side of that shooting, the side of the badge, law and order, The other side? Who cares, they lost. Not trained, just cowboys... you know, assholes with guns. Earp was a sociopath and sociopaths shoot dogs. Then they might tell you it was for the public good but they do not have to tell you anything at all. That's where we are now.

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Posted by Robert Wyman on 08/23/2016 at 1:26 AM

Re: “Next big (city) election looms just eight months away

Woo! Bring on the new blood to join Gaebler and Murray!

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Posted by Lalahartma on 08/22/2016 at 8:52 PM

Re: “Is Gazette selling its political coverage?

So its okay to be politically biased if you don't get paid for it? Sorry, but true journalists are objective observers - something that has been increasingly lacking at the CSIndy for the last few years.

As for the Gazette, about the only truth we can agree upon is that its coverage now leans precipitously towards money - regardless of who provides it.

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Posted by UCanSeeClearlyNow on 08/22/2016 at 8:38 PM

Re: “Is Gazette selling its political coverage?

Double duty of working for the GOP is just like running articles that end up in a book written by the Editor. The G is side stepping transparency issues (editor married to GOP political activist) by re-printing editorials from the other Anschutz owned paper and running.

To cover up the Gazette's blatant right wing stance their conservative followers cry that the paper is liberal.

PS: More like Eric Singer is trying to keep a job and stay pertinent.

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Posted by TruB on 08/22/2016 at 6:30 PM

Re: “Memorial lease, feeding hungry kids, ColoradoCare, and more

In response to LibertyForAll, hoping he can respond in an adult like manner.

I will respond to one comment from his last group of posts.

My first response to him was to correct him on his comment:
"Janet forgets/ignores the fact that the Dems held majorities in both chambers for much of BO's terms, and thus, did the most blocking of either party."

That's was just simply false...incorrect.

My response was to correct him that president Obama only had a democratic majority in both houses for 25% of his 8 year term, and one of his accomplishments during that short 2 year span, was to get us out of our financial freefall and begin a recovery.

This was his response to that:
"Hey "Mick", your math is about as faulty as it gets, because annualized growth under BO is pathetic, we've suffered through the first down-grading of our global credit rating ever, and the federal debt has ballooned to $19T+."

The math I was talking about was the 25% of his term, very easy to see if you read my post.

I was stating what I believe to be a fact and that is that the worst economic collapse any of us have ever experienced in our lifetime was turned around into a recovery in June of 2008.

I also noted, it was a slow recovery, I won't deny that.

All I was saying was in his second quarter ( I said third, I was wrong, it was his second quarter), with a democratic congress, he was able to turn this collapse to a recovery. That is always the first step and it was accomplished.

I also said this:
"yes, it was a slow recovery, but the recovery had started.", so I fully agree the recovery and growth was slow, but it was both a recovery and growth, compared to the free fall we were in.

And just an aside point to LibertyForAll's last response to this, to blame the down grading on President Obama is quite suspect.

It would be very easy to say, the reason for the downgrade was due to the Republican's rather ignorant threat to not increase the debt ceiling and threaten the U.S. to default on its loans.

There were a lot of Republicans who were saying that defaulting on our debts was not such a big deal....I beg to differ and so did Standard and Poor's.

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Posted by Lil Mick on 08/22/2016 at 3:35 PM

Re: “Is Gazette selling its political coverage?

Eric Singer ran for office (City Council, I believe) many years ago. Sounds like he's using the Gazette and El Paso GOP to rebuild his base of support for a future run. He would be the Gazette's darling, after all...

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Posted by concernedcitizen80906 on 08/22/2016 at 2:15 PM

Re: “Memorial lease, feeding hungry kids, ColoradoCare, and more

I have said this before and I will say it again.

Read those responses from LibertyForAll and see, feel the venom, the anger that this man unleashes when someone disagrees with him.

The personal name calling, labeling and insults.

The anger he emits is very disturbing and quite concerning as this man most likely has a rack full of guns.

....Just Sayin!

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Posted by Lil Mick on 08/22/2016 at 7:07 AM

Re: “Memorial lease, feeding hungry kids, ColoradoCare, and more

"despicable, just another ugly means that republicans do to subvert our democracy"

Kinda like, I dunno, the DNC fixing the nominating process against Sanders so the Hildebeast would be installed as the candidate, then firing the gal in charge of it just so she could immediately hired by the Clinton campaign?

Do you ever think about the hypocrisies that you contribute here, or does it cause too much cranial distress?

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Posted by LibertyForAll on 08/21/2016 at 10:08 PM

Re: “Memorial lease, feeding hungry kids, ColoradoCare, and more

'This was in large part due to the economic recovery bill past by the Democratic held congress. They also passed the Affordable Care Act during that time. Those we both huge accomplishments"

Hey "Mick", your math is about as faulty as it gets, because annualized growth under BO is pathetic, we've suffered through the first down-grading of our global credit rating ever, and the federal debt has ballooned to $19T+.

As for the ACA, costs are skyrocketing, patients are being dumped, providers are walking away and insurers are abandoning the exchanges in record numbers, but don;t just take my word for it:

http://www.forbes.com/sites#/sites/theapot…

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Posted by LibertyForAll on 08/21/2016 at 10:05 PM

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