"OK. Guns don't kill people. Cars kill people. "
Sigh... Rich, are you truly that dense, or is it just an act?
Mr. K yes ill agree they print money they print stamps sure do they provide a service that American taxpayers pay for and need. With out a doubt and maybe I miss spoke but the point I was making was a loss in productivity on the private side of America. The Government is also a huge consumer of goods and services from the free market exchange that depends on a profit. Mr. Bently is another one of those that cant see the whole picture because of a failure to look past the center piece. So I brought up the center piece in order for him to understand. Kind of like welfare when that subject is brought up all they see is a freeloader they dont see the Corporations, the Huge conglomerations that own most of the farms and the millions of people in other country's that we supply aid to. See what Im doing speaking to there level.
I must beg to differ with you, Mr. Smith. The federal government does indeed produce valuable goods, including arguably the most valuable: money. In addition to money, the government prints postage stamps and runs the Government Printing Office. Furthermore, productivity is measured in services as well as goods. The productivity lost due to furloughing of Forest Service personnel has been well documented during this shutdown.
The government also performs annual studies vital to a variety of industries. The government also funds basic research and development.
The only thing the government does not do is make a profit.
"If a violent person wants to commit an evil act, they'll find a way." I do not buy into that argument. It is much like saying, if a burglar wants to break into a house he will find a way, so let's recall any legislator foolish enough to pass laws against crime, particularly laws that call for stiffer sentences when criminals use guns in the commission of their crimes.
Mr. Bently dont grasp the fact that while our Government does not produce anything they sure buy a whole lot of things that are produced. Thats where the shut down harms production. Also while yes we are a Republic we govern under a Democratic form of Government. We stay true to our Republic by using the Electoral college when we vote. All that was changed in 1787 so its nothing new its just a more BS from the Republicans. If we were a firm Republic we would not have a Country wide vote for President. The House would do our bidding or voting for President and the Senate would for Vice President. Now think about what a mess that would be and if you disagree with me go get an Encyclopedia and look it up. Its Fact while we live in a Republic but we Govern under a Democracy.
typical politician, he goes from mr. tough gun guy to wife whipped symphony guy as soon as the election is over.
Excuse me, thinker. I should not have written earlier, "you do not seem to know all of the services performed by the government." I should have written, Len Bentley, the original letter writer, whose point of view you defend, does not seem to know etc."
One thing that extremists on both the Left and the Right have in common is a desire to see the government go into default, triggering a collapse of the world economic system, because they know the only way they can succeed will be to impose their will upon the majority in times of chaos and uncertainty.
Yes, thinker, I get the point, but you missed it. Of course I know that banks do all these things. I was being facetious and sarcastic. My point is that you do not seem to know all of the services performed by the government, many of which are so vital to the banking industry that the banks have been shrill and strident in their call to end the shutdown asap before it damages their productive industry any further.
By the way, did you notice how your simplistic argument against the government began to sound like Marxist propaganda when applied almost verbatim to banks?
gurudori, it is a pleasure to see someone who knows what he is talking about. When you consider the problem at the ACA website, which is higher than anticipated volume, the timeouts and delays are inconvenient, but not severe errors. The problem was handled gracefully. A true error would have been for the website to gather the info from consumers and pretend to process it while actually dropping it and losing it.
thinker, you should not attempt to explain engineering to an engineer. In common parlance, terms like "fine tuning" and "troubleshooting" may be more or less equivalent, but in engineering these two terms have precise definitions and they refer to two entirely different processes.
I see you have switched over to a new argument in your reply. Since when does the Republi-Cant Party get veto power over legislation? This must be some new amendment that has not made it into the Constitution yet. The ACA must be implemented because it was enacted and the Extreme Right Fringe cannot manage to get it repealed, though the repeal of the ACA is the only legislation they have been willing to engage in since its passage.
I assume when you write "the people don't want it" you are using the same polling methods that predicted a landslide for Romney in the last election. Even Ted Cruz said that the ACA must be stopped before implementation because once the people actually get to use it they will never give it up. What he did not say, but is implied by his statement, is that the people will see through the tissue of lies he and his ilk have been circulating for all these years--in particular, the lie that the program will be a total disaster once implemented. If the opponents of the ACA really believed that themselves they would not be so desperate to kill it now. They would just stand back and watch the president fall flat on his face.
Everything isn't as easy and instantaneous as internet email, and the new ACA website will have its issues at first. Interesting that everyone thinks it’s so easy to launch a website that has to cover millions users at the same time with multiple applications and programs.
At work, we launched a new website to replace our 18 year old one so that it would work with the new technology like Ipads & smart phones, and had to convert over 15,000 pages. Yes, there were many link problems that had to be corrected and it has taken over a year to complete the process, so I think the ACA website will need time to work out the NORMAL kinks with launching such a website.
Mr. K, if you're Engineering/producing a "widget", a field test and/or beta is fine, but when you're dealing with a sixth of the economy, it's far too risky a proposition to roll it out prior to full trouble-shooting. But it's what Obama and the Left wants (gotta have something in the way of a legacy!), so it's to be implemented, even though the GOP doesn't want it, the people dont want it, and even some Democratic legislators don't want it.
Absolute apples and oranges Mr. K.. Banks are privately-owned (admittedly, sometimes by those with an extremely self-serving agenda), and "contributions" are made voluntarily, as are agreements to lending terms, mortgages, etc., while the govt. insists on mandatory compliance. Banks are productive because they provide a service to others by providing them with interest if they open a savings account, IRA, and such, or receiving interest to fund operations, pay wages, satisfy share-holders (if applicable), etc. when they lend money. If I choose to patronize a bank, or become a member of a credit union, it doesn't affect you or the general economy, but if I choose to withhold taxes from Uncle Sam, it lessens the overall pool of funds to allocate and distribute to everyone. There are many other differences, but I trust you sufficiently get the point?
The "shutdown" is going to raise all sorts of questions, most of them legitimate. On one particular point -- could it be that because Johnson and Caslen are new to their positions they don't have the contacts tat might have provided them with better information to proceed? Not their fault, but the academies also have a strong political component.
I find the fight the Council has picked with Chris Melcher distressing. The Council is turning what is no doubt a difficult job into an impossible situation by insisting that each side have its own lawyer - as if the Council and Mayor were adverse parties in litigation. Before Chris Melcher was hired, I actually interviewed with the Mayor to be City Attorney. Like Melcher, I had no prior government experience. And I supported the "wrong" party - something the Mayor didn't care about a bit. I had never met the Mayor before then, but it struck me that he was just looking to hire the most qualified lawyer he could find. Given all the infighting, I can't imagine that the City could attract a better lawyer than Melcher if Council somehow managed to fire him. Or if he just gets so fed up with the nonsense that he decides to quit.
According to Len Bentley, the current shutdown could not possibly affect productivity because the government does not produce anything. Which is much like saying massive bank failures do not reduce productivity because banks do not produce anything, they only collect interest on loans, making their profits “on the backs of those who actually do create and produce.” From this “logic” it follows that any bank failure “would actually be a savings to those who bear the burden of paying”--paying off their loans, that is.
Bernie knows what public service is really about. I wish him the best in Denver as he tries to sort through things and represent us.
thinker, you may be a thinker, but you are not an engineer. The time to fine tune a new machine or process is precisely when it is in operation. Before implementation the new design can be coarsely tuned using prototypes and test data, but nothing replaces the fine tuning that can only be performed on a working system.
I suspect there will not be much need for fine tuning on the ACA as Massachusetts has already done most of it for us in deploying Romneycare.
The phrase "forever-befuddled front office" is a masterpiece of understatement.
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