....Look at things like the ACT college entrance exam...Used since 1926, look at all the years when we allowed God into our education...remember 1962,63 is the first time the Supreme Court told God to get out of our public schools. Sat scores for ALL of those years were stable and consistent for decades and decades...Then in 62,63 we said no more religion, no more prayer, no more Bible, in schools...Academic scores plummeted year after year and are nearly 100 points lower a generation after the removal of The God who's ideas formed America-- was censored form our students. Knowledge has decreased when the fear of the Lord has decreased, and our founders understood that. DR. Benjamin Rush also said..."I believe there is the most knowledge in those countries where there is the most Christianity." That is Striking..the most science, the most ligature? Dr. Rush is shown to be right again in reality today.
The achievement tests used in schools like the Iowa basic test of skills, or the Stanford achievement tests, these are not religious tests, they are academic tests. Math, Knowledge, and science, and grammar and etc.
Its not "What dose John 3:16 say? How many books are there that make up the library of books we now call the Bible?" Those are not the basis of those tests.
Christian schools taking the identical tests as public schools. Christian schools average 2 to 4 grade levels higher then public schools. The best of my knowledge the civil war takes place the same year at christian schools as it dose at public schools. The same at both schools and yet their is greater knowledge at christian schools. By the time kids reach 9th grade Christian schools peg out the test. They peg it out 10th, 11th, 12th grade and public schools have not peg it out even in the 12th grade.
The fear of the Lord is the "beginning" of knowledge.
Another point of evidence to back up how far America has gone into the crapper...Try to read the Federalist Papers. and understand that they were 3 guys trying to convince the public in the late 1700's on why they should ratify the constitution. They ran as letters to the editors in Newspapers!!! Were talking newspaper language. NOT academic, educated, language. Common personal language.
There is a lot more I could quote but I will leave Tocqueville with his most frequently quoted passages,
"I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers, and it was not there; in her fertile field and boundless prairies, and it was not there; in her rich mines and her vast world commerce, and it was not there. Not until I went to the churches of America and heard her pulpits aflame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great. "
And you Brandon know more then America's past....
Tell me Brandon, if our founders were fine with all religions? Why did they come up with this taxpayer textbook to teach the kids? Would you have a problem with this book in public schools today? BECAUSE THE WRITERS OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT DID NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.
"New England Primmer" was the first text book introduced in Schools. It was so popular it was used for the next 210 years in our Public Schools.....this 1st grade text book taught kids the alphabet with
A- In Adam's fall we sinned all.
B- Heaven to find, the Bible mind.
C- Christ crucified, for sinners died.
on and on it goes.
We use to build knowledge on the foundation of the respect of the Lord..
Look at the questions at the back of the book...remember 1st grade....Question # 36 says....
"What benefits, which in this life, do accompany justification, adoption, and sanctification? "
If our Founders wrote a secular constitution....( I can fill a book on why its not secular)
But first to your quick references to America's faults....( I also find if intresting that people of your generation are quick to spit out America's faults without understanding how we got out of them)
IT WAS THE OPEN AND EDUCATED CHRISTIAN MEN AND WOMAN WHO GAVE THE RIGHTS TO THE BLACK AMERICAN....WHO DIED FOR THEIR FREEDOM IN THE CIVIL WAR, AND WHO GAVE WOMAN EQUAL RIGHTS.....CHRISTIANITY......NOTHING ELSE....NOT ATHEISTS...NOT MUSLIMS....NOT KARMA ETC...
Now you want to shut up the one worldview that fixed all you can think of that was bad about America?
If we were a Secular country....Why did they insist on the Bible being a textbook in public schools for over 200+ years?
Brandon, If our founders set up a country on All religions being equal and therefore did not set up one religion over another....then why did they all sing their official documents and also the Constitution with the prase...."IN the Year of our Lord Jesus Christ?"
Brandon, tell me Mr. Expert on America....If being "Professional" as you put it was to keep religion in private.....Why did the founders made religion so much a foundation to our government and society then and they wanted it for our time as well, the 1st national law on public education was in the Northwest Ordinance.
The Northwest Ordinance was approved by Congress the VERY YEAR THE CONSTITUTION WAS WRITTEN AND APPROVED BY CONGRESS. ( now do you think they forgot what the first amendment meant, Do you Brandon? )
Hear is what the Founders said about religion and schools....THE SAME FLIPPING YEAR THAT THEY WROTE THE CONSTITUTION!!!!
Article 3: Religion, morality, and knowledge being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools ( that would be the Air Force Academy) and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.
If they made the constitution secular....When George Washington gave his farewell address. ( No one has done more for this country then George Washington) In France, shortly before he wrote his Farewell Address ( 1796) the promoters of atheism and amorality had seized control and turned the French Revolution into a shocking blood bath of wild excesses and violence. Washington obviously never wanted anything like that to happen in the United States. Therefore he said in his farewell address:
"In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness. ( religion and morality)."
this is from the bigger portion of that same address that George, as sitting president, and America's greatest General, re-emphasized the position set forth in the Northwest Ordinance, George warned me and you Brandon, in his farewell address George Washington said:
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports....And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion...Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail to the exclusion of religious principle.
It is substantially true that virtue or morality is a necessary spring of popular government. "
Did you get that Brandon?
Lets look at the observations of a foreigner who visited America. Alexis de Tocqueville discovered on the importance of Religion in America. He came to the U.S. in 1831, he became so impressed with what he saw that he went home and wrote on the best definitive studies on the American culture and Constitutional system that had been published up to that time. His book was called "Democracy in America" Concerning religion in America one part he wrote:
"On my arrival in the United States the religious aspect of the country was the first thing that struck my attention; and the longer I stayed there, the more I perceived the great political consequences resulting from this new state of things. ( Democracy in America 2 vols.[1840; New York: Vintage Books, 1945], 1:319)
He described the situation as follows:
"Religion in America takes no direct part in the government of society, but it must be regarded as the first of their political institutions...I do not know whether all Americans have a sincere faith in their religion--for who can search the human heart? --but I am certain that they hold it to be indispensable to the maintenance of republican institutions. This opinion is not peculiar to a class of citizens or to a party, but it belongs to the whole nation and to every rank of society. ( Ibid.,p. 316)
In Europe, it had been popular to teach that religion and liberty were enemies of each other. ( sound familiar to what you and Mike are forcing down America's through ts?)
De Tocqueville saw the very opposite happening in America. He wrote:
"The philosophers of the eighteenth century explained in a very simple manner the gradual decay of religious faith. Religious zeal, said they, must necessarily fail the more generally liberty is established and knowledge diffused. Unfortunately, the facts by no means accord with their theory. There are certain populations in Europe whose unbelief is only equaled by their ignorance and debasement: while in America, one of the freest and most enlightened nations in the world, the people fulfill with fervor all the outward duties of religion. ( Ibid., p. 319.)
This is a good observation from Tocqueville on your accusation of our founders wanted "freedom of all religions"
"The sects ( different denominations) that exist in the United States are innumerable. They all differ in respect to the worship which is due to the Creator; but they all agree in respect to the duties which are due from man to man. Each sect adores the Deity in its own peculiar manner, but all sects preach the same moral law in the name of God...All the sects of the United States are comprised within the great unity of Christianity, and Christian morality is everywhere the same...There is no country in the world where the Christian religion retains a greater influence over the souls of men than in America." ( Ibib., p. 314.)
I can give more evidence, but notice one thing all who read this....this is not JUST my opinion....it is the opinion of our founders who wrote the Constitution....so argue with them.
Brandon Longcrier, Your insinuation is that every leader, would be unprofessional if they revile what worldview they hold. Then the military was unprofessional for most of its life in America....Sgt. York, George Washington, Douglas McArther etc..
Do you know that different religions have very different truth claims?
What about the Fort Hood guy leader? Do you think his religion made a difference in his "professionalism?"
What you believe matters...because it guides ones thinking...which in turn, guides ones actions.
Professionalism is how one treats others they are in a relationship with.
What if a boos is from, say, a religion that is unconstitutional? A religion who's holy book and founder tells them that a woman has less value then a man?
If that solder believes that, then they are believing something that is against our constitution.
Now, some will say...he's fine until he acts on it....I think that belief should be exposed as wrong headed ideas that are against our Constitution...."All men created equal..."
But a Christian? We, again, teach ALL people are sinners....God gives you value---even though you may not believe the obvious evidence for the Christian God to any fair enquirer....My God gives you value so I also am obligated to give your life equal value as mine.
If Islam is so "peaceful" ( which you have not touched on, but please humor me on the difference and importance in WHAT someone believes. )
If Islam is the same as Christianity...every good Muslim should live their life's like Mohammad. Mohammad was one of the most violent people to ever walk the face of the earth. He beheaded hundreds of people with his own hand. Lead a bunch of war parties where they raped and robbed caravans....He killed every Jew in the area now known as Saudi Arabia and took their woman for concubines...and when the concubines had kids, and those kids get to puberty Mohammad ordered the kids killed....He married many woman ( Not lawful in America...against our laws) One was a child at 9-11 years old. ( also against our law) And he said their God to beat there wife's so they will obey the men.
Now I ask you Brandon....When did Jesus do or order, sanction, instruct, in any of these "violent" behaviors?
Also, in any Muslim run country were the leaders of that religion make the laws....it is illegal to convert from Muslim to Christianity by the penalty of death....this is not some street gang of thugs who are illiterate and don't understand the Qumran. This is the top people in Islam making these laws.
2nd question...they are allowed to lie to non Muslims and to break treaties with non Muslims---by the God of the Qumran, because a non-Muslim is not equal to the Muslim...like woman are not equal to men.
So Brandon, with all due respect, your ignorance to worldviews....as you fight against them....will help bring in more violence to America because you are putting the teachings and truth claims of our enemy on equal footing as the life and teachings of Jesus.....Way to defend the Constitution solder.
People will die not just because of your ignorance....like in the fort Hood slaughter....They will die because of your vocal ignorance to not understanding what history has told us and what each worldview has produced in the past and will in the future.
I just want to add that he says that he was only behind on paying the vendors, but current with the employees. That is a lie as well. I knew several people who worked for Dave, and I know for a fact that they were behind on paying their employees as well. I just hope all of my Stagecoach friends get out before that restaurant fails too.
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I have to laugh because less than 2 weeks ago I bought a gift certificate from Sweet Deals.com for the Craftwood Inn. Obviously they knew they would be closing when people made their purchases. We also received a gift card for Christmas for the Craftwood Inn. It is sad that someone could continue to take money from people knowing his business would not fulfill the obligation.
I just read in the paper last week that 70% of the city employees are Police and Fire. Another 3% is Parks Rec and Cultural Services. That leaves 27% of regular city employees. How much does the city pay for Police and Fire pensions? How are they going to reduce those pension costs? I bet they are much higher than the regular employees pensions. Just wondering.....
Oh, and let's not forget, Pres Obama also has the Federal deficit back down below Bush levels since the banks he bailed out paid back the loans and we actually made money on the ball out. The car industry is now hiring more employees to meet a greater demand and more "Made in America" business are starting up again.
Marshall Plan -- helped Europe after WWII
Marshall Law? No clue
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Like former Pres Bush, TT??? Declaring a war in Iraq as a guise to make oil money instead without proper information verification to properly invade a foreign country??? Stealing a presidential election with the "hanging chad" incident in the state where his brother was governor??? This kind of a president that allowed the banking and mortgage industry to almost take down this nation into a deep depression that has taken us years to recover from???
And Pres. Obama has stabilized the mortgage, banking and car industries along with bringing back the stock market that crashed in 2008. This you call an irrational and dangerous president??? LMAO at you once again, TT.
Others issues like let's force bakers to provide cakes with two girls on the top.
At least that can't lead to murdering babies!
What amazes me in reading the retired military guys in this site is how dangerous from indoctrination they are. Reason is not a capacity they still have.
If Obama declared Marshall Law and told these morons to kill all the people opposed to his policies, they would do it...modern day Nazis.
It scares me because it could so easily happen: an out of control president and a lock step military that lacks discernment, that could be so easily influenced by one man, be it Whinestein or Obama.
Sacry stuff that threatens all our freedoms.
Oh and just because something has always been done a certain way, doesn't make it right. The USA is a great country, but not without fault. We've come a long way from the days of slavery, women's rights (or lack thereof), segregation, etc... But we still have a long way to go yet.
I never said anything about the Bible. If the message was out of any other religious text, I would have the same stance on the issue. And to make myself clear, there are many verses in various religious text (including the Bible) that would be just fine to put up on a board. The problem with this one, was that it made clear the religious stance of the cadet who also had rank and/or title listed. I'm just saying that it's unprofessional.
And you can spout off all the historical data you want about how this country was founded on this or that, but truth be told; this country was founded on religious freedom, not one religion over another. And I don't care if all the founding fathers were Christian. At least they had enough respect for others to write the constitution in a way that didn't serve one religion over another.
Brandon Longcrier, I did serve and I come from a long family that severed, and died while serving....so I respect and applaud your service. The difference is, I guess, I swore to uphold the Constitution....( of which the University of Huston did a 10 year study---which is published--on the ideas behind the Constitution. And they found close to %40 of the quotes at the time were from the Bible, and the top three individuals quoted were Blackstone, Locke, and I can't remember the third. But all three quoted the Bible extensively in their works. John Locke: Two Treatises of Government (1680-1690) has 1500 Bible verses in it....Its a Godly constitution based on the Bible...more latter)
You equate the Bible ( the book who's ideas gave us this country and is what the Constitution was based on, that we both swore to uphold ) TO YOU THE BIBLE IS THE SAME AS PORNOGRAPHY?
They have always held church services in public offices....Jefferson ordered the military band to play for Sunday service for church---WHICH WAS HELD IN THE STATE BUILDING...AMERICA'S FIRST MEGA CHURCH.
So, according to you Brandon Laoncrier....Jefferson was unprofessional?
You, sir, are trying to create a different country that is and has NEVER been what America is about.
Solders do not show tyranny when they quote from the Bible.
What happened to tolerance being expected by Atheists? They can't show tolerance, so everyone has to keep their core beliefs to themselves? UNLESS YOUR AN ATHEIST, BECAUSE---IF WE ELIMINATE ANY THING RELATING TO GOD....ITS THE PERFECT ENVIRONMENT FOR AN ATHEIST?
How dose your hunt of taking down every opinion that you disagree with off a schools eraser board.....HOW DOSE YOU AND MIKE WINER-STINE'S "ANTI-IDEA POLICE" LINE UP WITH THIS REGULATION?????
This is from a peace on the subject, that has a newspaper that at least reached out to get the opposing---educated---opinion....So we don't only get one side of the regulations like Brandon Longcrier.....Tell me, Brandon..why did you forget this regulation?
“If the cadet didn't violate any rules, then why was the quote removed?” Michael Berry, senior counsel for the conservative legal firm the Liberty Institute’s said in a statement. “It appears that the Air Force now believes Bible verses are a violation of AFI 1-1.”
In fact, Berry said the removal of the Bible verse and any punishment is actually a violation of the Department of Defense Instruction 1300.17, a provision that protects soldiers’ religious liberty.
“Unless it could have an adverse impact on military readiness, unit cohesion, and good order and discipline, the Military Departments will accommodate individual expressions of sincerely held beliefs (conscience, moral principles, or religious beliefs) of Service members in accordance with the policies and procedures in this instruction…,” the provision states in part.
I ask you Brandon, when has it been that the Bible's ideas been so harmful? When?
Also, Brandon, you should think about the freedoms you have now.....They are only because our founders were Bible believers...for instance, The idea that "all men are created equal" That ONLY COMES OUT OF THE BIBLE'S WORLDVIEW.....NOT OUT OF ANY OTHER WORLDVIEW...."All men are sinners and fall short of the glory of God" is a truth in the christian worldview. ( sorry to offend you with a bible verse...maybe I should have had a "maturity alert" before I typed that)
The idea that I am a sinner...flawed...No better then anyone else....is only a truth claim in the Bible....not in the Qumran, not in from Buddha, not from Atheist's. This is why America is so much better.... Look at any country who's government was not set up on Christian principles like America was.....And see if Atheist's have the freedom...Atheists have had power, yes..Nazi Germany, China, Russia, North Korea etc...All bad for everyone who is not an Atheist.
If you and Mike, succeed in telling lies to the young cadets about why atheists have freedom.....( because the christian God woo's ones hearts...he dose not force his conversion on anyone. Because Christianity teaches...we are all equal under Gods eyes..) You wait and see how the Muslim government will treat you, or the Buddhist government.
I'm very surprised on the Indy's take on this story, the fact that they are buying Mr.Symonds' line. The above bride, Jennifer Koslowsky, had her wedding scheduled the weekend the Waldo Canyon Fire broke out - that is almost two years ago. Before the impact of the fire was fully felt, before the Black Forrest Fire, and before the flooding. How does Mr. Symond's explain not giving her a refund in the face of a natural disaster? How does he explain meeting with people as late as Friday and Saturday of last week and still taking their money knowing that closure was imminent. It is clear that are unethical business practices involved here and I would encourage people to not support the Symond's or patronize the Stagecoach Inn.
The owner admitted the Craftwood has been bleeding money for years, yet he continued to take money from brides. 20+ brides have paid money to have their wedding there and Mr. Symonds didn't even have the respect to tell them. They learned about it through a news article. Some have paid all their money and they have been told they are not getting any of their money back. This is unlawful given that he knew the declining position of his business. I was a bride who had their wedding canceled due to the Waldo Canyon fire and I received no deposit back from the Craftwood and had to beg to get my other money back. In fact, I graciously allowed them to make payments to me!!! When I pursued it with the BBB, Mr. Symonds' response included a comment that he offered us the Broadmoor. Yeah...right...because any bride would turn down the Broadmoor! He is a liar and a thief. For those of you that think this is some great place to eat, don't be fooled by the food. There are unethical business practices going on here and there needs to be accountability. Put yourself in the position of these brides and then make the rightful determination to boycott the StageCoach. By the way, the Cheyenne Mountain Conference Center saved the day for us when Mr. Symonds and his staff refused to help us. We found out at 1 a.m. the day of our wedding that our 11 a.m. wedding was not going to take place. Imagine that. And I never even heard from Mr. Symonds or his staff. I was the one to make the initial phone call after watching the news. Karma for Mr. Symonds.
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