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Re: “Former Springs newspaper saleswoman sued by SEC

How is it a civil matter when people got defrauded out of millions. If I go right now and steal something worth over 500$ it is automatically a felony. What I am saying is there is a terrible double standard and that's what people in Ferguson are protesting. And yes it does have to do with being white, it is her skin color that allowed her to gain credibility in the racist business world of Colorado Springs and its being white and connected that will get this whole case brushed under the rug, watch. God forbid other city counsel or chamber of commerce members are going to be exposed.

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Posted by daWU on 08/22/2014 at 12:35 PM

Re: “Jenkins to donate land for Olympic museum

Altho I like how Drake looks in all its gloomy grayness, I'm willing to compromise to appease the aesthetically sensitive. It would cost only a few thousand taxpayer dollars to prettify Drake by painting it varying shades of GREEN. This cosmetic alteration would make Drake a steam-breathing 99% pollution-free piece of cutting-edge landscape architecture. A living sculpture worthy of its majestic location. A magnet to attract tourists that neither Denver nor Aurora can boast of having. And best of all, Drake will be a monument that will make the citizenry PROUD to live in forward-thinking, problem-solving COS.

And while we've got the paint cans handy, let's give the coal cars, engine and caboose some much needed image enhancement and paint them GREEN as well. And, as a final triumphant touch, 16 flags can be mounted on the I-25 side of Drake spelling out "City For Champions." This bit of flag waving is sure to entice the road-weary tourist enroute to Denver and beyond to exit the freeway and experience for themselves the excitement of visiting America's other Olympic Museum.

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Posted by curious on 08/22/2014 at 11:49 AM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

Since we are talking autopsy, one of the bullets went through Michael Brown's inner forearm. When a person is just standing with his arms at his sides, the inner forearm faces his body. When a person is running, or "charging" he usually pumps his arms in rhythm with his feet, again with the inner forearm facing his body. On the other hand, when a person has his hands up in the air, the inner forearm faces forward.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 08/21/2014 at 11:44 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

Approximately ten days into the protests in Ferguson, St. Louis police shot and killed a Black man less than four miles from where Michael Brown was shot, yet there was no violent reaction from the community.

The St. Louis Chief of Police went out to the scene within 90 minutes with a preliminary report. ("These reports don't just magically appear, they take time.") He took all questions from the community and the media, including the very tough question of why the officers did not use tasers instead of deadly force.

In my humble opinion, the difference is not in the citizens of these two communities, but in their police departments. At the very least, the Ferguson police have demonstrated their total incompetence, which is frightening in view of the armament at their disposal, and needs to be thoroughly overhauled from top to bottom.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 08/21/2014 at 11:28 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

Yes, that is exactly what I was driving at in my earlier comments. If the bystander assumed the officer missed because Michael Brown did not immediately drop, then when he said, "The Police shot him," it likely was after seeing Brown finally drop. Once he dropped, Brown did not get up again. So, if the bystander subsequently said, "...the dude started running..." he must have been referring to the events that led up to Brown's death, and the comments could refer to Brown either running away from the officer or running toward the officer.

I am sure more than six shots were fired. One shot is reported to have hit someone's home. Witnesses say the officer ran after Brown, firing his weapon, as Brown was running away. Many people are troubled by this alone and are calling it negligent.

One eye witness says that as Brown ran away from the officer, his body suddenly jerked as if he had been hit by a bullet. Perhaps, he was not hit by a bullet and there is some other reasonable explanation for that body reaction. I was trying to point out that the bystander did not see this jerking motion, just as he did not see the bullets actually hit Brown, so he was probably not close enough to tell if Brown was coming at the officer or just keeling over dead.

Another eye witness says Brown was shot in the stomach and dropped to his knees, while the officer continued to shoot him three or four more times.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 08/21/2014 at 11:03 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

The bystander might assume that the officer kept missing when the shots did not immediately drop Brown. Furthermore, Brown was hit 6 times and it is very likely that more than 6 shot were fired.

To be shot while running away, he would be shot somewhere on the back side of his body.

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Posted by Dave H on 08/21/2014 at 8:51 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

Now you are splitting hairs. I have already said it was a possibility that the bystander was referring to Michael Brown coming at the officer.

The bystander did say the officer kept missing, whereas the officer did not miss. When the bystander concludes the police shot him it is likely he noticed this because that was when he saw Brown fall. Brown did not get up and start running after he fell.

Of course, "likely" is not conclusive, and perhaps, as you insist, the bystander saw Brown getting shot, and also saw him running toward the officer after getting shot. That only adds a third possibility to the two I have already pointed out. That leaves the statement open to interpretation, and therefore unreliable, which was my point.

By the way, I did not say Brown was shot in the back. He was shot while running away according to an eye witness. The bystander says the officer already had his gun drawn before Brown turned around. I did not say Brown "started moving toward the police." I said he had his hands up in the universal gesture of surrender. Whether or not Brown was hit by a bullet while trying to run away, he was hit when his hands were up, causing him to stumble a few steps as he fell. This stumbling could easily account for the bystander's statement that Brown was coming at the officer.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 08/21/2014 at 8:22 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

Mr. K--

Why could Brown not start running after being shot? According to you he was shot in the back while running away and then turned around and started moving towards the police.

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Posted by Dave H on 08/21/2014 at 7:13 PM

Re: “Jenkins to donate land for Olympic museum

Jenkins spent $1M to bring about the "strong arm mayor" form of govt and put Bach into office. Now we know why Jenkins bought the political process. He owns property in the URA. One of his properties that is currently unusable and unsaleable lies alongside the railroad tracks (see above). These tracks carry coal to Drake. For Jenkins to sell or use this property, the train tracks have to go. Ergo, Drake has to go. So not only do the taxpayers have to pay to build a stadium, but they will have to pay more - a lot more - for electricity when Drake is decommissioned. This is downtown revitalization.

In future, if any political candidate says VISION, VISIONS, VISIONARY or its cousins DREAM, HOPE, CHANGE, I will know I'm listening to a snake oil salesman and his/her opponent gets my vote by default.

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Posted by curious on 08/21/2014 at 6:39 PM

Re: “Former Springs newspaper saleswoman sued by SEC

No. It's not okay to steal hundreds of thousands of dollars. It doesn't matter if she's white. The SEC wouldn't take on a case if they didn't think it was worthwhile. In this case, it is a civil lawsuit. So, she won't go to jail. She will hopefully have to pay all of us back. Once the FBI goes after her, she will go to jail.

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Posted by Stephanie Davis on 08/21/2014 at 5:55 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

Mr. Bennett, how very fair and democratic of you to blame both sides (after consistently attacking only one side up until now). Are you, perhaps, an elementary school teacher? I hope you will forgive me if I would would like to see a thorough investigation and trial rather than rely on your opinion.

You write, "Dang, Mr. K is pulling out the RACE card..." Duh...

"...guess we should all just go home." If you have nothing better to add to the conversation maybe you should go home. That was your advice to the protesters. Try taking some of your own medicine.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 08/21/2014 at 3:41 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

What the transcript does not show is the accuracy of the bystander's statements. He says, "I’m thinking the police kept missing... the next thing I know – the police was missing..." In fact, the officer did not keep missing.

The bystander continues, "The Police shot him...The next thing I know … I’m thinking … the dude started running..." Surely, he does not mean that Brown started running after being shot down. He is remembering Brown's actions prior to the shooting. He might be remembering Brown running toward the officer at the end, but he might just as well be remembering Brown running away from the officer at the start. Once again, the officer may have said that Brown "charged" at him, but you cannot corroborate that by these comments.

What about the eye witness who claims Brown was not coming at the officer, but stumbling as his body fell over forward when he succumbed to the gunshot wounds?

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 08/21/2014 at 3:24 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

Dang, Mr. K is pulling out the RACE card, guess we should all just go home. The comment on both threads seemed to fit Mr K. I hope you have the time to come back and post when you finally get it, they were both victims, one just had a gun and the right to use it.

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Posted by Don Bennett on 08/21/2014 at 3:23 PM

Re: “Rally tonight at City Hall for #Ferguson

An eye witness in a car behind the officer saw the officer shoot at Michael Brown while Brown was running away. She says she saw Brown's body jerk before he stopped and turned around with his hands in the air. It seemed to her he had been shot.

In the meantime, I will wait for the experts to sort it out. It is not my intention to try the officer or Michael Brown in the court of the Indy blog. Nevertheless, I do want to see the officer tried in a court of law.

Posted by Mr. K-- on 08/21/2014 at 3:00 PM

Re: “Former Springs newspaper saleswoman sued by SEC

Watch her get probation or a slap on the wrist. Stealing millions is ok if you are white, but see what happens when u're black and you steal some cigars from a gas station (Feguson). Love the American justice system.

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Posted by WuTangClan on 08/21/2014 at 2:33 PM

Re: “Just pluck it

If you are a frequent driver up Ute Pass between Manitou and Cascade, there is an area near the Waldo Canyon parking lot between the Eastbound and Westbound lanes where Fountain Creek splits the highway where there are bushes upon bushes of chokecherries every year. If you can get them before the bears do, they are lush and delicious. Used to make jelly out of them all the time.

Posted by oldguyinWP on 08/21/2014 at 1:17 PM

Re: “Jenkins to donate land for Olympic museum

Wasn't this whole area designated an urban renewal zone? Why bother donating when it will be bought from you at face value anyway?

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Posted by LivesLocally on 08/21/2014 at 11:53 AM

Re: “Rally tonight at City Hall for #Ferguson

"when the first shot hit Michael Brown he was running away from the officer."

Then why does the autopsy indicate all the shots were on his front side?

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Posted by Dave H on 08/21/2014 at 11:45 AM

Re: “UPDATE: Local prof responds to Ferguson: Don't mess with the cops

Mr. K--,

The transcript shows that after getting away from the cops at the truck (him and the police was both in the truck) and running away (, then he ran ), Brown turned back (next thing I know he doubled back toward him) and was coming back at the cops even after the cops started shooting (but he kept coming toward him) and was running at them (the dude started running).

That would indicate "charging" at the officer.

"Apparently, this witness did not know that Brown had already been shot once, before he "doubled back" on the officer."

If so, he would have been shot in the back. The autopsy indicates all the shots were in the front.

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Posted by Dave H on 08/21/2014 at 11:42 AM

Re: “Jenkins to donate land for Olympic museum

Jenkin's gift of a property no one wants to buy at the price Jenkins is asking will provide him with a tax writeoff, which is the next best thing to selling it at a profit. With the iconic and visionary museum built on it, the price of the rest of the property owned by Jenkins in the vicinity will rise. Luxury condos for wealthy retirees wanting to live on the eastern edge of ATB park with an unobstructed view of Pikes Peak can then be built and sold, providing Jenkins with a solid profit. And the condos can be situated so that the wealthy retirees will not be looking at ugly Drake, which will remain where it is for the next 20 or 30 years providing relatively cheap coal-based energy for all the rest of us who are not wealthy retirees.

The museum all by itself will be the catalyst needed by Jenkins to revitalize that dingy derelict undesirable area where his other properties are located. I have no objection to this scenario becoming a reality. However, I do object to building a stadium downtown. I object to building an unwanted, superflous, iconic, visionary and even uglier than Drake stadium that will be paid for 100% by city and county citizens using our future sales tax revenue for the next 30 (or maybe 50) years as the mayor wants. Building an iconic and visionary museum should be enough excitement for our mayor, City Leaders, and Jenkins to handle. Build the museum and see what happens. Then gather the young professional entrepreneurs and let them - rather than the gentrified City Leaders - turn the URA into an urban neighborhood, if that's what they want for themselves.

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Posted by curious on 08/21/2014 at 9:56 AM

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