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Re: “UPDATE: Academy "partners" with religion, drawing criticism

Generally I think Weinstein and MRFF are on the right track - but this specific event seems innocuous to me. Using a large performance space for a public event is not necessarily an endorsement of the institution that owns the facility. Take away the poorly chosen words "in partnership" and there's nothing to get upset about here.

Again, I do agree that religious indoctrination on the Academy is a problem, but this kind of thing doesn't qualify as indoctrination or endorsement of religion unless you're nitpicking.

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Posted by David E on 04/23/2016 at 8:42 AM

Re: “UPDATE: Academy "partners" with religion, drawing criticism

The Academy's feeble response ignores Air Force Instruction 35-110, paragraph, which states, in part:

"Band support at events which are commercially sponsored, designed to increase business traffic, or associated with a particular religious or ideological movement … or would trivialize Air Force participation … is not authorized."

Anyone who's familiar with New Life Church would recognize that it is very much a "particular religious or ideological movement," and that this concert should never have been allowed.

But I guess we shouldn't be surprised when an institution that doesn't know its own operating budget turns around and violates its own regulations. Or maybe it's OK to violate your own regulations when you only do it 3.2 percent of the time?

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Posted by Phoenix Blue on 04/22/2016 at 9:27 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Academy "partners" with religion, drawing criticism

Addendum... Oh, lookie!! The AFA's now posted a classic example of "IYCDTWYB, BTWBS" [If you can't dazzle them with your brilliance, blind them with BS". While the people they're trying to convince of their moral rectitude and adherence to AF Instruction 1-1 may get lost in their verbiage, what's not lost is the fact that the response fails to 'respond' to the prime issue; the "partnership" between the AFA band & a religious organization (verboten per the Constitution - no 'Establishment' allowed!!). Also likely to get lost as one picks their way through the garbage (wearing boots?) is the fact that, somehow, out of the thousands of possible venues throughout the states listed (Colorado, Kansas, Montana, New Mexico, both North & South Dakotas) they couldn't seem to find a single venue that's not a Christian church. The propaganda doesn't hold water nor does it pass the sniff test. I refer back to my prior comment.

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Posted by Rael Nidess on 04/22/2016 at 5:32 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Academy "partners" with religion, drawing criticism

Ditto what Rael said. As a CS resident, I support Weinstein and MRFF. In light of Evangelicalism's history of aggressive political influence, the choice of venue was inappropriate to say the least.

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Posted by mmdrums on 04/22/2016 at 5:11 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Academy "partners" with religion, drawing criticism

An adage entitled “Grey’s Law” states: “Any sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice”. It couldn’t be less applicable in this instance. Considering the past history of USAFA constitutional transgressions, for which Mikey & MRFF have rightly & repeatedly called them on the carpet, there can be no question of the AFA’s power elite knowing the exact details of what’s allowed, and what’s not. Thus, the issue of incompetence or malice is not applicable, it’s clearly an intentional ‘in-your-face’ unconstitutional advancement of a ‘state religion’. In the past, Mikey’s called, ad nauseum, for punishment of the flag-rank Christian nationalist domionist-deconstructionists who wish to substitute their religious myths & so-called ‘sacred scriptures’ for the U.S. Constitution which they swore (clearly falsely, violating their cherished Decalogue’s ‘bearing false witness’ prohibition) to preserve & defend. Will their superiors ever grow the cojones to do what’s needed or will they mealy-mouth their way into doing nothing again?

Now, brace yourselves for the inevitable howl of outrage and accusations of ‘religious persecution’ (as if!! ‘Persecution in a country that’s 85% Christian?) from those who believe their personal mythology should set the rules for everyone regardless of whatever alternative personal mythology others might subscribe to. What’s especially humorous is the domionist-reconsturtionist’s claim to represent “Christians” when, in reality only about 30% of American Christians accept their particular extremist beliefs (not to mention their rejection of any ‘Christian’ beliefs contrary to their interpretation… beginning to sound like anyone you’ve heard of occupying swaths of land in Syrac and persecuting anyone whose beliefs aren’t in line with their own?). If you really want to test whether or not you’ll ‘make the cut’ (perhaps literally) if they have their way and make their ‘End Times’ eschatology the religion de jour for America, read the “The Lausanne Covenant”. You may not like what you find. There is a battle being fought for the secular democracy our founders envisioned; we can’t afford to lose it. Ground zero appears to be the AFA.

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Posted by Rael Nidess on 04/22/2016 at 3:59 PM

Re: “UPDATE: The go karts are coming ... in July

Are y'all hiring?

Posted by nvmehaterz on 04/22/2016 at 1:42 AM

Re: “Snow doesn't stop Bristol's Barrel-aged Winter Warlock release party

While the barrel aged Winter Warlock has a little more character than the normal Winter Warlock, both are very watery -- not nearly as thick as an oatmeal stout should be. This is a problem which seems common to much of the Bristol line-up. There are far better oatmeal stouts available, some from right here in Colorado.

Posted by Odin on 04/21/2016 at 4:08 PM

Re: “Bristol's barrel-aged Winter Warlock releases tonight

While the barrel aged Winter Warlock has a little more character than the normal Winter Warlock, both are very watery -- not nearly as thick as an oatmeal stout should be. This is a problem which seems common to much of the Bristol line-up. There are far better oatmeal stouts available, some from right here in Colorado.

Posted by Odin on 04/21/2016 at 4:07 PM

Re: “UPDATE: The go karts are coming ... in July

nnnniiiccceee!!!!!!!!!! oh ya carefree I went there at least 2 or 3 times a month!!!!

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Posted by Jay Whynotaskme on 04/21/2016 at 12:31 PM

Re: “Nation's first parrot cafe to open in the Springs

Hi Michael -- this is Erik, co-founder of The Perch. We found The Parrot Cafe (am I correct that you own that business?) in our extensive research on the subject. My understanding based on the two websites and other third party articles was that while The Parrot Cafe is a socially conscious business built for and by parrot enthusiasts, that it was NOT a place where the primary objective was to create an environment where people could meet and spend time with a variety of live parrots.

Our use of the term "parrot cafe" is not to imply "parrot themed cafe" or "cafe that benefits parrots" as we are certainly not the first or only. In our materials, we use the term strictly in the way that it has been used in the growing animal cafe trend (places where the primary value is in sharing a morning or an afternoon with a room of cats, dogs, hedgehogs, or parrots).

I could not find any information anywhere that mentioned that The Parrot Cafe in Seattle kept a flock of parrots living in the shop and the only picture of a live parrot there that I could find was a hyacinth macaw being held by someone on the outside of the front window. None of the interior shots included parrots or parrot gear.

By contrast, at our store, there are only a couple of places you could point a camera where you WOULDN'T see a live parrot :) We currently have 25 birds living in the main area of our shop with about that many more scheduled to be filtered in over the next couple of weeks. That's what our place is all about.

The Parrot Cafe, per the website, says "We are located in the Coffee Capital of the World, Seattle, Washington. We are proud to live in a city which not only is the center of coffee culture but also boasts the largest number of independent bookstores per capita, as well as the highest book readership per capita of any city in the United States! Here at the Parrot Cafe, we combine our love of exquisite organic coffee and tea with rare books and collectibles. To this endeavor we bring a background including two graduate degrees in history and archaeology and a career in academia and publishing, as well as retail experience in the Seattle coffee business. We first worked for Starbucks Coffee, and later operated the Parrot Cafe in North Seattle from 2003 to 2006. We have resurrected the Parrot Cafe here on the Internet! Our goal is to provide the finest organic coffee and tea available on the marketplace, as well as an eclectic selection of rare books, documents, and collectibles."

I apologize if you feel that our use of the term parrot cafe (in lowercase) has disparaged or disrespected The Parrot Cafe — it wasn't our intention and unfortunately, it's a term used by everyone in the emerging animal cafe industry so it's still the best term for what we're doing even though it is vastly different from The Parrot Cafe.

Thank you for everything you have done for your local parrot community and I would love to connect with you outside of this comment thread and chat about selling some of your coffee, by the way :)

Have a great day,

Erik Wolf

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Posted by Erik Wolf on 04/21/2016 at 11:04 AM

Re: “Hunger, the Onion, Seth MacFarlane, and one surprised local woman

Jenny is an incredible person whom I have known since she was 6 years old. I have a problem with Walmart , whom pays their employees so little 50% are on food stamps. If Walmart really cared about helping people with food , PAY YOUR EMPLOYEES WHAT THEY ARE WORTH ! To use Jenny to promote your "cover my guilt" campaign is a disgrace Walmart .... and it wouldn't happen if Sam was still alive !!

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Posted by Rick Laurenzi on 04/21/2016 at 9:08 AM

Re: “Jack Graham gives Darryl Glenn competition in Senate primary

pleaseohpleaseohplease let it be Daryll Glenn...

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Posted by carolyncathey on 04/21/2016 at 9:00 AM

Re: “Nation's first parrot cafe to open in the Springs

First Parrot Cafe in the nation. Not hardly. in Seattle.

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Posted by Michael Ostrogorsky on 04/20/2016 at 7:10 PM

Re: “UPDATE: The go karts are coming ... in July

I remember the "Carefree Highway" go kart track just south of the Citadel (3445 Platte Ave.). Sounds fun!

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Posted by Brian Merrifield on 04/20/2016 at 6:14 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Parks Board approves land swap

How can anyone vote for this without seeing the appraisals?

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Posted by MChaussee on 04/20/2016 at 4:01 PM

Re: “Hunger, the Onion, Seth MacFarlane, and one surprised local woman

Jenny is also one of the best people I know and a super active participant in INDY gives. Jenny rocks #jennycried

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Posted by Corey Wilson on 04/19/2016 at 5:58 PM

Re: “Land deals could mean tax windfall for Broadmoor

How on earth can the city withhold the appraisal values from citizens!?

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Posted by lifespan on 04/19/2016 at 5:28 PM

Re: “Here's one cynical view on Broadmoor-city land swap

I have great respect for Jim Bensberg, even though I am not a Republican. Anyone who stands for public office and who is willing to put his real name on his posts here is a cut above the crowd. Same for Richard Skorman, Bill Murray, Andres Pico and anyone I've missed in this category. One of the worst parts of the Internet is the number of people who hide behind a pseudonym and get vicious.

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Posted by Clara McKenna on 04/19/2016 at 9:22 AM

Re: “Here's one cynical view on Broadmoor-city land swap

12:00 noon - 2:00 PM

11:00-12:00: PREPARE: Make signs in S. Cheyenne Canyon Parking Lot. We will bring plenty of posterboard and markers. You can bring your own already made if you prefer.

12:00-1:00: PARADE: Meet up in S. Cheyenne Canon Parking Lot. Parade from parking lot to Strawberry Fields. We will walk from the parking lot to the trailhead on Mesa, walk up the trail, cross the bridge, and enter Strawberry Fields area where the “road” is going to come in.

1:00-2:00: PICNIC: Have fun! Eat your picnic lunch! Enjoy the view! Hike up into the woods! Meet your fellow caring and concerned citizens!
PLEASE be mindful of environment: stay on trails as much as possible and pick up all trash.…

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Posted by Bill Burns on 04/19/2016 at 7:31 AM

Re: “Here's one cynical view on Broadmoor-city land swap


You bring up an interesting question and one I often ask myself on the matter if the polling 'does' anything. To be honest, I am not sure that they do.

The Project Unity/SpringsUnigroup polling and survey network was set up in 2003 following a contentious local issue regarding a county measure to fund a new courthouse and jail. We learned, at that time, that many of the polls and surveys going out were distributed to very limited, repeat mail lists thus producing poll results from a limited number of respondents with limited demographic profiles.

This program was set up to allow members of the general public and the small business community to weigh in on issues of concern as each issue arises and to build a huge mail list of regularly subscribing members who participate in our polls on a regular basis.

You will note, that even thought it costs to maintain the program, there is NO advertising, there are NO requests for donations or contributions nor would we accept them - and we are NOT selling anything. There is no 'hustle' - just a request for opinions and your comments on critical issues that will be facing the public and elected officials and civic leaders.

Have we developed as large a member network as we want? NO. Is it growing? YES, very slowly. Do we ask hard questions? YES. Do we ever sell or make available our mail list? NO, not for any reason. Do you have to be a registered, subscribing member to obtain results? YES. Do we appreciate those who take time to participate? VERY MUCH!

The application for membership is quite demographically specific so that in time, we will be able to isolate an analyze the importance of local issues by gender, by age, by zip code, by special interest group and compare them to a global set of responses.

Do the polls and surveys serve any purpose? NOT SURE, PROBABLY NOT !

However, the program has proven to be 91% accurate in predicting how the general public will vote on 'issues' and 86% accurate in predicting elected official races. This is a 'grass roots' effort - not represented as being 'scientific research'. On recent local issues ie: stormwater, utilities governance, and the recent land exchange, our results came in very close to results obtained from the $15,000-$35,000 professional polling.

The difference: $15,000 to $35,000!

If you have ideas how to make the effort more useful, or suggestions how to improve the process please email us with your thoughts.

Thank you
Richard D Wehner
Donna Knight

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Posted by Springs Unigroup on 04/19/2016 at 3:15 AM

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