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Re: “City for Champions hits snags, generates controversy

"The study also reported the stadium and arena would cost $74 million to build. State RTA money would provide $14.35 million, operating income revenue bonds could add another $10.7 million, and local incremental tax money, $21 million, the study said. That leaves a $28 million funding gap."

It's deceptive to the core and frankly a lie for Suthers to say the shortfall is only $28 million. First of all, the plan approved by the State puts the cost at $93 million. Even if the cost went down since 2013 (very unlikely as construction costs have skyrocketed), the 21 million in "local incremental tax money" is also taxes collected as City sales and property tax and then diverted from the general fund that pays for things like public safety, roads, stormwater and parks. And that's all in today's dollars--add the cost of financing planned for C4C (a factor of 2.38) and we're up to $117 million in payments made by local taxpayer dollars on top of the $27 million in state taxpayer dollars that should be funding things like widening I25.

Keep your eyes open, Colorado Springs--your duping and double cross radar should be on full gain and pointed toward City Hall and the City Administration Building and Tejon Street. The City hasn't officially cancelled the stadium project with the State and still has an obligatory agreement to build one unless they do so.

Posted by Joel C. Miller on 04/27/2017 at 11:13 AM

Re: “Reader: Who cares how much taxes Trump paid!

One other thing Jack if those folks that are not paying taxes to finance a war are selfish and anti American. Where does guys like Trump fit in? Hes got millions and is not paying so in your mind does that make our President anti American?

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 04/27/2017 at 9:51 AM

Re: “Reader: Who cares how much taxes Trump paid!

Hear is my take. For years we have heard about the low income folk not paying taxes. They get all those services for nothing. Remember? Horrible people taking advantage of the Government and the honest taxpayer. Yet here is a very wealthy person doing the same thing only with millions and while running for the highest office in this land called it smart to do exactly the same only 20 times larger. Dont you think its just a bit of a double standard not to hold him accountable?

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Posted by Rocky Smith on 04/27/2017 at 9:43 AM

Re: “City for Champions hits snags, generates controversy

In addition to using taxpayer dollars to pay for the bridge, tax dollars will also be needed to build the parking garage adjacent to the Olympic museum, a garage that will lie under Jenkin's proposed skyscraper condo building. Giving developers tax dollars to help them build condos and whatever in urban renewal areas, tax dollars that are in addition to paying millions for infrastructure for their developments are, regardless if it's legal, a misappropriation of public funds. Using tax dollars for economic development results inevitably in needing to raise taxes to pay for roads, parks, fire and police, etc, since the dollars intended for these vital govt functions was given to the developers. A truly visionary developer will find a way to make his dream schemes happen without fleecing the citizens, many of whom have no interest in living in or "revitalizing" downtown.

http://www.csindy.com/coloradosprings/city…

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Posted by curious on 04/27/2017 at 9:30 AM

Re: “Reader: Who cares how much taxes Trump paid!

the grabber in chief is a con artist scammer and always has been. he will screw over anybody and everybody to make a buck. he has been sued for this countless times... he just settled a $25 million dollar scam for his fake university. he has a long history of screwing the little guys on his big projects then sicking his big law firms on them so he can pay them less than they agreed on. why anyone would trust this scumbag is beyond me. show me the tax returns and then we can judge why he is giving so many tax breaks to the rich and greedy. if he and much of his family doesn't end up in prison our system is badly broken.

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Posted by happyfew on 04/27/2017 at 9:04 AM

Re: “Reader: Who cares how much taxes Trump paid!

We care Jack. We have a liar in chief , a twit who twitters , and you say "fix my country" , he is destroying it bit by bit. Looks like we are headed for another useless unneeded war. About to give his family and cabinet members a $9billion dollar tax break just on the death tax alone. All he has done is promote family interests/businesses since he's been in. Jack you are a Trump supporter = LOSER !!

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Posted by Rick Laurenzi on 04/27/2017 at 4:26 AM

Re: “Pikes Peak or Bust Rodeo Foundation plans overhaul of Norris-Penrose Event Center

Recognizing that not everything in the world is somehow connected to The Broadmoor Land Swap of 2016, one cannot help but see an interesting thread buried in this article. If the right of first refusal (a title restriction) can be undone in this case, what does that say about the highly-touted, iron-clad right-of-first-refusal which was placed on Strawberry Fields?
The inclusion of that title restriction was used by both the city and the Broadmoor to reassure the public and help sell
their deal. Just sayin' .........

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Posted by Mur on 04/26/2017 at 7:44 PM

Re: “More on fatal crash involving El Paso County GOP chairman

It doesn't take a lot of force to dent the bodywork of a newer model vehicle. I doubt the velocity of the SUV would be considered excessive enough to be described as "such speed". That being said, Trevor Dierdorff was certainly at fault, and "careless" would be an excellent description of his actions leading to the accident.

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Posted by Richard M. Shirley on 04/26/2017 at 6:37 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Cleanup costs for Colorado Springs downtown land: $4.4 million

To be clear, Richard Skorman wasn't rude and didn't "shout down" this person or anyone. He allowed her the full amount of time allowed anyone else and then told her she was mistaken in some of the comments she made. The video is available on the city's website if you'd like to view it and make your own judgment.

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Posted by Pam Zubeck on 04/26/2017 at 5:16 PM

Re: “Gazette reportedly lays off newsroom employees

Ms. Zubek:

I know some other former Gazette employees, dedicated professionals, who have left the paper. None that I have run into regret their decisions.

I'm sure your decision to leave the Gazette was a difficult one, but your contributions to the Independent and to journalism in this city justifies the change. We benefit weekly from your writing; I doubt you would have been able to do the same at the Gazette.

So...thanks. Your work is much appreciated.

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Posted by Bill W. on 04/26/2017 at 2:53 PM

Re: “Olympic Museum and ... what else in southwest downtown?

NOTHING will work well, if at all, either downtown or anywhere else, until we get rid of TABOR. As long as it's in effect this city will be a dump and planning is just a dream state.

It seems the main reason for building all this stuff downtown is because the local in-crowd of big-money movers and shakers own the land down there, i.e., the Mayor's up to his eyeballs in crony capitalism for his GOP financiers.

Better to distribute these attractions around town to spread out the traffic hassles since there's no money for roads or transit thanks to TABOR. Let Gray LIne run tourist buses between the attractions like they do in "major" cities for the tourist trade.

The USAF has at least $100B in annual tax dollars and thus no shortage of money to rehab their existing stadium or build a new one - where it's currently located, not downtown. Stop pimping downtown.

Build mid-rise or taller residential towers downtown so people can finally have a walkable city instead of having to drive to everything. Downtown is parking constrained, you can't get near Jack Quinn's or other eateries and shopping without fighting the hassle of parking.

Build residential towers and put a major supermarket on the ground floor of one and you'll revitalize the downtown. If you want to see how it works, just take a junket to Crystal City, VA, right across the freeway from National Airport. I know, I lived there, worked there, used the subway stop in the basement and WALKED to everything.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/26/2017 at 1:15 PM

Re: “Pikes Peak or Bust Rodeo Foundation plans overhaul of Norris-Penrose Event Center

Went to the rodeo ONE time. In 2005. All was fine until it was over and the event turned into an evangelical sermon. If I want a sermon I'll go to church. Never went back to this place. Never will.

I do hope they improve the facility. The one time we went a storm came up and the unpaved parking lot became a dust storm with all the wind. Dreadful. Nothing like a 3rd world experience in the world's only superpower. If that's the best we can do then sell it to China and let them invest it.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/26/2017 at 12:55 PM

Re: “Aviation Museum announces big plans for new facilities

Great idea to expand the airport location. This should be the end of anything downtown, other than a bus stop to ferry people to and from the location. Why not use City Hall or City Auditorium as the bus gathering point for museum goers. Why not have Gray Line run the tourist buses like they do in 'major' cities. There is no shortage of good solutions; sadly there is no shortage of bad ideas foisted on taxpayers by the in-crowd in every city.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/26/2017 at 12:52 PM

Re: “Gazette reportedly lays off newsroom employees

The uber rich love buying papers so they can spread their lies, like the biggest lie of all: Tax cuts pay for themselves. Ask Kansas how that's working for them under their version of GOP's voodoo economics.

Too bad the Gazette didn't let go of the flaming ideologue who writes their insipid editorials. Who needs Alex Jones when you have the Gazette's bizarro mouthpiece.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/26/2017 at 12:43 PM

Re: “Pikes Peak or Bust Rodeo Foundation has a history of giving

Went to the rodeo ONE time. In 2005. All was fine until it was over and the event turned into an evangelical sermon. If I want a sermon I'll go to church. Never went back to this place. Never will.

I hope they improve the facility. The one time we went a storm came up and the unpaved dirt parking lot became a sand storm with all the wind. Dreadful. Nothing like a 3rd world experience in the world's only superpower. If that's the best we can do then sell it to China and let them invest it.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/26/2017 at 12:38 PM

Re: “El Paso County looks to off-load detox facility

The facility IS needed. Issue is who funds it. If we can find the funding then the change of ownership isn't a concern. But what does concern me is this smells of typical GOP "YOYO" politics, i.e., You're On Your Own. You want detox, do it yourself pal, You're On Your Own. Why not tax the liquor trade to pay for the problems that it sells, one 750ML bottle at a time.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/26/2017 at 12:33 PM

Re: “City for Champions hits snags, generates controversy

Instead of anyone spending $28M for any stadium, that sum of money would be vastly better spent building the youth sports complex known as the Scott Hall Field of Dreams on the abandoned Colorado Crossing site. Let's do something for OUR kids and not the hotel and bar tourist trade.

Suthers' "Bridge to Nowhere" is a great idea to make it easy for the homeless population to get around and annoy what visitors we do have. Once word gets out on Yelp that ATB Park is swarming with homeless dudes swilling T-Bird and smoking weed watch how quickly it becomes a ghost town. But it will become a mecca for police activity, er, I mean an OJT site for new cops.

NO STADIUM. NO AIRCRAFT MUSEUM. NO BRIDGE. NO WASTED TAX FUNDS

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/26/2017 at 12:28 PM

Re: “Science march draws nearly 1,000 in public display of nerd-ity

And how'd they get downtown? In their rare kangaroo mouse choking, squirrel squashing, seats 9 but I have 2 and 1 is at soccer practice SUV. Move back to Oregon you dipwads.

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Posted by Silky Johnson on 04/26/2017 at 12:27 PM

Re: “Neumann Systems Group will close shop after two decades due to changing energy market

All patents and copyrights associated with this technology should revert to CSU and the taxpayers of this city, as we provided the money to build and prove the efficacy of the design and construction.

Our city should then market this technology to coal-fired power plants around the world as there is a dire need for improvement in air quality, especially in China.

We should not let Dr. Neumann, and/or any of his associates, walk away with these patents and milk foreign markets for billions unless our city gets the share it was promised in the original agreement.

Where is our "STRONG MAYOR" on making sure our city enjoys the revenue stream it was promised -- or has he been bought off, like all the other GOP types.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/26/2017 at 12:17 PM

Re: “Olympic Museum and ... what else in southwest downtown?

"There's no doubt the Olympic Museum will be breathtaking. But what else will complete the surrounding area? " This article really misses the elephant in the room. The wonderful new museum's direct neighbor will be the eyesore Drake coal power plant. Maybe drawing more attention to this dinosaur will finally convince CSU to shut it down.

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Posted by Nicole Rosa on 04/26/2017 at 12:05 PM

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