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Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

I can see I'm getting in on this a little late in the discussion, but, yet, here I am!. To Mr K and Rocky Smith I say thanks for your intrepid denial that anything happening between Trump and the press is in any way transparent. He might border on transparency if he releases all zillion pages of his tax returns, but he's not going to do that. Perhaps Kellyanne and Mr. Spicer can serve up some "Alternative Facts" for us.

When Trump summarily dismisses the media as "corrupt" and "dishonest" he is undermining the Fourth Estate, and, as has been so aptly put in this scribe, the Fourth Estate is the group that is supposed to hold the pols collective feet to the fire. I don't smell any flesh burning yet.
When he summarily (and without any basis in facts that he has provided) dismisses the election as rigged, and that he really won a YUUUGE victory in the popular vote is another way to cause us to doubt the validity of our democratic process. As of yet, after months of investigation, we don't have any evidence that Mr. Trump could have closed the 2.8 million vote gap that Hillary Clinton laid on him. He just doesn't like to be a "loser". We do know, however, that the three states that tipped the balance for him did have a 'rigged' system. The Republican legislatures and Republican Secretaries of State instituted the same overly broad voter purges that enabled George W Bush to win in Florida in 2000. In Ohio alone (had she won there she would have been Madam President) the purge netted 400,000 voters who could have legally voted - they were properly registered and not under any voting restraints, yet when they got to polls they were turned away.

Why is it that the Republicans think fewer voters is good for democracy? That's a question I'll pose to the esteemed former commissioner Miller. And it always seems that the most vulnerable and estranged from mainstream society are the ones who are getting shafted by these less than democratic policies.

With Trump his cabinet choices and his staff must see him as the Second Coming - I have never seen so many resurrected careers ever before in my life! If he had lost Reince Priebus would have been on the street corner with a tin cup...and who the hell is Kellyanne Conway, anyway? Alternative Facts my foot! Facts is Facts Folks - there ain't no alternative facts - they's just damn lies! (That's my Uncle Kermit talking...I channel his wisdom from time to time)

Posted by Vietnamized on 01/24/2017 at 5:06 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

UCanSeeClearlyNow, the press was invented centuries before computers and you will find that print newspapers have a long and proud tradition of sensationalism. After all, they invented headlines. Before there were "likes" and "dislikes" to click on, the idea was to sell newspapers.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 01/24/2017 at 3:34 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

I am sorry Ms. McKenna feels that way, but I would rather sacrifice readers than my safety. I will reiterate that I reserve my sarcasm for sarcastic contributors. My motto is, when they go low, I go lower.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 01/24/2017 at 3:22 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

I fail to see that blogging anonymously is a no-no, assuming that the blogger adheres to a code of conduct that prohibits directly attacking a blogger who expresses an opinion opposing their own. Only public persons, including especially politicians, have an obligation to use their real names.

I like and respect Clara, who is adamant that bloggers use their real names, and welcome her comments on this matter of etiquette. In the meantime, I'm grateful that the Indy allows all comers to comment on these forums.

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Posted by curious on 01/24/2017 at 1:19 PM

Re: “Springs' sister march biggest in local history

it appears that there are at least are some white women that don't want the p***y grabber chump to take us back to the 1950's. the funny thing is that all the chumpies have is to continue the put down's of Hillary like a bad case of tourettes... bengazi..., emails...

they can not come up with one redeeming quality of the p***y grabber. please correct me... i'll wait to laugh at your feeble attempts.

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Posted by happyfew on 01/24/2017 at 10:48 AM

Re: “Springs' sister march biggest in local history

Video of Women's March in Colorado Springs: https://youtu.be/gKhXUTjXBKM

Posted by Bill Burns on 01/24/2017 at 10:14 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

The "press" have only themselves to blame. In a bid to attract clicks and likes they have sold out the objective reporting of facts for sensationalism, thus most news articles today are filled with bias and narrative-selling. A true race to the bottom.

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Posted by UCanSeeClearlyNow on 01/24/2017 at 9:59 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Put your real name on it, Mr. K and then I might listen to you.

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Posted by Clara McKenna on 01/24/2017 at 9:37 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

"Mr. K needs to realize that throwing insults at people..." Personally, I do not feel I throw insults at people, but I do mock their arguments when I feel they are egregiously illogical, irrational, or misleading, and the authors are pompous or supercilious.

"...from behind anonymity..." I remain anonymous to avoid being harassed and threatened offline by misguided zealots, but that has never stopped anyone from throwing insults at me in this blog. Even Mr. curious, who is extremely scrupulous in avoiding insults, could not help himself and calls me "all hot air, pomposity, and vitriol," although his principles are so strong they prevent him from naming me specifically, even by my screen name.

"...is not the proper way to show his concern for the country." Who said I am trying to show concern for the country? I am trying to set the record straight after Mr. Miller casually violated the most basic of journalistic standards while criticizing journalists. I realize his error was not intentional, but a real reporter would face consequences if he managed to get an error like this into print.

Do I really need to point out that I have not condemned Mr. Miller, or derided him for everything has ever said, written, or stood for? I only pointed out a single, but fatal error in his post, and, instead of thanking me, he twists and turns into grotesque contortions in a vain effort to minimize it. (There I go again!)

"Nor is nastiness." I will take that as a compliment, as so many women have after being called nasty by a certain politician.

Not being a liberal, I do not feel the necessity of balancing my criticisms by saying something nice, but I think I am being called upon to do so now. So I will say that I have also found Mr. Miller "to be a trustworthy source of information about City government," and I stand behind him 100% on the issue of the downtown stadium.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 01/23/2017 at 10:24 PM

Re: “3 things Colorado Springs firefighters want to fund with excess revenue

And so it begins. All these things should be bought out of the general fund portion of the budget - money that the mayor is planning on spending on stormwater and C4C instead of the real needs of the city.

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Posted by CSIndyReader on 01/23/2017 at 7:33 PM

Re: “Local developers make two picks for Colorado Springs City Council

Please don't let developers like Nor'wood BUY this election. Lynette Crow is 100% funded by developers associated with Colorado Springs Forward, which is really just disgusting.

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Posted by Owen on 01/23/2017 at 6:41 PM

Re: “Local developers make two picks for Colorado Springs City Council

I own a business operating in support of the Department of Defense. I will be supporting Lynette Iverson - Crow.

Kelly L. Bain
Senior Partner
Delta Solutions & Strategies, LLC
A Service-Disabled Veteran-Owned Small Business

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Posted by KellyBain on 01/23/2017 at 6:13 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Opinion writers, such as columnists, are biased, and that's OK with me, since their goal is to persuade and influence. Reporters are bound ethically to keep their biases out of their writing and to give their readers just the facts, enabling the reader can form his/her own opinion. Good reporters provide accurate quotations in context that are not cherry picked to support their or their bosses biases. Reporters have a tough row to hoe.

As for Miller "losing his temper" - who is so temporal that they can calmly ignore being trashed repeatedly by the Gazette and City Leaders? And as for "walking out of City Council" - he did so in order to run for mayor. He placed 3rd out of 4 candidates, receiving more votes than 4th place Lathen, who was a City Leader who enjoyed years of fawning approval from the Gazette. Lathen also received far more campaign dollars than Miller, who refused to accept any donations other than those from ordinary citizens. For me, Miller has proved himself to be a trustworthy source of information about City government, one whose opinions, backed by solid facts and research, I will accept in preference to Mr. Joe Blow - all hot air, pomposity, and vitriol.

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Posted by curious on 01/23/2017 at 5:53 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Joel Miller is more right than he is wrong about the media. I say that as a longtime veteran of the business on many levels. The one benefit of Trump's attitude may be that reporters for major newspapers will stop reporting the spin they hear at press conferences and get out and do leg work again.

As for readers, there is and always has been a lot of manipulation that is a part of press coverage. Reading only social media and online comments provides more heat than light. Go to the library and study some of these things from books. The issues are subtle and require more thought than a sound bite provides.

There are some wonderful reporters in this community, including the Indy and the Gazette. They work under restrictions to bring the news to us and deserve our support.

As for Joel Miller and Mr. K: I admire Mr. Miller for his openness and his dedication to making this world a better place. Unfortunately, he lost a lot of his credibility when he lost his temper and walked out of City Council. One of the ways we change the world is staying the course in unpopular situations.

I also respect him for using his own name, instead of a pseudonym, in these forums. Mr. K needs to realize that throwing insults at people from behind anonymity is not the proper way to show his concern for the country. Nor is nastiness.

Finally, I am tired of hearing about Washington hijinks when the country has been at war for 16 years and continues to borrow money to prosecute it while that reality goes under the radar. We have some serious issues to deal with and it is time to stop fighting each other and move forward. I you have any doubts, go to the Union Printers Home and see the young men with no arms and sometimes serious brain damage that are paying a quiet price for our nonsense.

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Posted by Clara McKenna on 01/23/2017 at 8:14 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Let me begin, Mr. Miller, by clearing the air. I am not a liberal.

Lawyers have a saying: if you have the facts, argue the facts; if you do not have the facts, argue the merits; and, if you do not have the facts or the merits, argue like hell. I thoroughly enjoyed your precious, yet insipid, metaphor about forests and trees and pieces of bark. You do realize it proves nothing. Allow me to extend your analogy with even more meaningless drivel: I have discovered pine beetles growing in the bark of some trees and a controlled burn may be necessary to save the rest of the forest. Please, for your own safety, try to avoid the burn area as you enjoy your walk.

Aside from the poetic distraction, you say about me, "you attempt to belittle and grade based on minutiae..." How gracious of you to minimize your own errors! I prefer to call them details and, I am told, attention to detail can mean the difference between success and failure. You, on the other hand, have attempted to belittle and degrade me based on mere prejudice and paranoia.

I wonder how you would react to someone fabricating quotes and attributing them to you in an effort to score points in an argument? Would you call it an innocent, minuscule grammatical mistake or start ranting about libel?

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 01/23/2017 at 12:00 AM

Re: “Explosives, junk contribute to Vista Grande neighborhood tensions

http://rs834.pbsrc.com/albums/zz264/Murdercut3/IMG_20170121_034509_zpsra2erxj1.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip this is a picture of the girl he claims to be in love with, that's what he did to her on Thursday, the last time he saw her.

Posted by godless on 01/22/2017 at 8:30 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Here's the problem with the liberal ideology...and this is why Donald Trump won the election handily...you attempt to belittle and grade based on minutiae, focusing on the bark of a tree versus the forest. And you gloat that you've just hammered home your bark point and so you pat yourself on the back as the forest burns about you. By all means "Mr K," you won. I'm not qualified to have a grammar argument with you. Good day, sir. I'm going to go for walk in the forest.

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Posted by Joel C. Miller on 01/22/2017 at 3:13 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

One more thing. You insist, Mr. Miller, "I in no way have implied in any way..." Nice redundancy.

"...(and this is a direct quote)..." Excuse me for pausing here, but I have to laugh. Having erroneously implied that quotation marks do not necessarily indicate a direct quotation, you are forced to add this totally unnecessary parenthetical comment to clarify your meaning to your bewildered readers.

"...that I 'have the authority to dictate to the media what they should report and how they should report it!'"

Correct use of quotation marks, Mr. Miller. You get a B. It would have been an A if you had left out the totally unnecessary parenthetical comment.

Now let's examine your claim. First, I feel I must point out the word "authority" has more than one meaning. When I used the word I did not mean "power to influence or command." I meant "an individual cited or appealed to as an expert," as in a professor of biology who is an authority on the mating rituals of mammals. (Definitions cited from [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary…]).

You do presume to criticize the media harshly, which does imply that you consider yourself highly qualified in matters of writing and reporting. I merely pointed out the irony that you yourself are busy violating the most rudimentary rules of reporting even as you presume to lecture your betters.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 01/22/2017 at 3:03 PM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

Mr. Miller consults his crystal ball and tells me, "It appears that you would be fine with the collusion between press and your favored government official..." Apparently being libeled yourself, as you claim, has taught you nothing. I have not stated any opinion about "collusion" one way or another. As I have stated quite clearly, I am against suppression of the press by your favorite government official, Mr. Miller.

If you are truly interested, ask me nicely, and I will tell you my opinion of collusion between press and government officials.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 01/22/2017 at 2:48 AM

Re: “Media to Trump: Game on

You write of the press, Mr. Miller, "they have the right to do whatever they want, but shouldn't expect not to be called out when they publish clearly false and deceitful narratives." I do not recall objecting to members of the media being "called out" for publishing lies. I did object to them being "slapped down" if they don't "behave."

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 01/22/2017 at 2:34 AM

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