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Re: “Pinned Down

I was there when this happened she was like a sister's to me I was heartbroken when then they told us what had happened and for the people who don't know what your talking about the staff where loveing and and caring people who kept us safe I'm still to this day in contact with some of them they really care

Posted by Stormi Gene on 07/26/2015 at 10:01 PM

Re: “Drones coming to Carson, plan for high-risk houses, and more

"In the meantime, you have not offered up a single link yourself."

You want a single link? Here's a single link (although, "you will pooh-pooh my sources..."):

Former Iraqi pilots training ISIS fighters to fly captured Syrian jets, rights group says…

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 07/25/2015 at 11:50 PM

Re: “Drones coming to Carson, plan for high-risk houses, and more

"Radical Islam was burning people alive and slashing throats long before Bush/Cheney and the oh so evil cheerleader pyramid they made at Abu Ghraib."

First of all, you are defending Bush and Cheney, so you are the "Abu Ghraib cheerleader!"

Second, when you use the phrase "Radical Islam" you ought to make it clear what you mean is that all of Islam is radical, that Islam is a radical religion--not that there is a moderate wing of Islam opposed to the radical wing.

By the way, Christians were also fond of burning people at the stake long before Bush/Cheney.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 07/25/2015 at 11:26 PM

Re: “Drones coming to Carson, plan for high-risk houses, and more

"You will pooh-pooh my sources because that's how lefties counter."

If and when that ever happens you will have a right to criticize me for it. In the meantime you are trying to stereotype me, which is how you ended up missing the fact that I actually agreed with you on the main point of US military spending. Furthermore, you are trying to bluff your way out of the corner you painted yourself into. If you have the evidence, cite it; don't waste electrons explaining how devastating your arguments could have been if you were not too lazy to produce them here.

"Then I could fill 12 vertical inches of comment space with direct quotes from the sources." And most of it redundant if not irrelevant. You did manage to mention one actual fact, from your wonderful sources. "...about the origin of the specific group known as ISIS. Did you know those roots go back to 1999?"

In 1999, Saddam Hussein still ruled Iraq and his military was tasked with suppressing groups like ISIS. It was not until after he and his military were thrown out of office that the former commanders allied themselves with ISIS, and not until the US left Iraq that ISIS broke out and started capturing territory. We know that ISIS fighters are equipped with sophisticated weaponry they captured from the regular Iraqi army, but where did they get their training on this equipment and where did they get their military discipline, in general, if not from the disbanded former military of Iraq?

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 07/25/2015 at 11:11 PM

Re: “Drones coming to Carson, plan for high-risk houses, and more

"ISIS was not the topic of this thread - US military spending is." ISIS was brought up by the first people to comment on the topic of US military spending.

"You have completely ignored my points on that." You really need to get reading glasses. Far from ignoring your points, I wrote, "As for your main point, I am in total agreement."

"Case closed." Indeed!

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 07/25/2015 at 10:48 PM

Re: “Ex-gay like me

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Posted by Shantel Coreline on 07/25/2015 at 11:48 AM

Re: “Case closed

A Bay Area police sergeant was shot and killed during an early morning traffic stop Wednesday -

Officer was shot twice during a routine traffic stop in Long Island by an armed suspect who fled from a traffic stop inspection just before midnight on Wednesday -

A police officer is recovering after being struck by a motorist who led police on a chase -

Just a sampling of today's headlines. Is this what Pam Zubeck wants to drum up in El Paso county? Sure sounds like it.

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Posted by PacksA9 on 07/23/2015 at 9:10 PM

Re: “Case closed

If you've ever had an interaction with the Colorado Springs police you would know they are too highly strung and escalate situations needlessly. It's a tough job, but they make it tougher on themselves than it needs to be.

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Posted by CSIndyReader on 07/23/2015 at 8:30 PM

Re: “Case closed

dp72- Thank God no innocents were killed or injured by Guy's life-threatening action. We got lucky, don't you think?

I know you don't have omniscient powers. But you seem arrogant enough to know what the officer should have done based on what you read in a newspaper story.

When you're drunk, stoned AND running loose in the neighborhood firing a pistol at homes, you forfeit any expectation that deadly force is off the table by those responding.

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Posted by PacksA9 on 07/23/2015 at 4:17 PM

Re: “Case closed

The police officers lied on an official report. And then concealed those facts. Leads me to ask the obvious question, how many other reports have been falsified to "justify" deadly force?

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Posted by unjustified_police_action on 07/23/2015 at 4:08 PM

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PacksA9, I have no omniscient powers and never claimed to. You throwing that term at me is pretty arrogant. The fact of the matter is that a citizen was shot in the back by a police officer and the department covered up that fact. James Guy might very well been killed no matter what, but he deserved an opportunity to comply with police instructions. He was never given that opportunity.

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Posted by dp72 on 07/23/2015 at 1:53 PM

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dp72- Chief Myers said "he used his training well" and did "what he needed to do."

Guy paid Martinelli to say what he said. Myers is the same on the other side.

So this brings us back to... What omniscient powers do you have to say what the officer should have done in his situation?

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Posted by PacksA9 on 07/23/2015 at 1:34 PM

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PacksA9. Ron Martinelli notes Jorstad gave up "an elevated position of tactical advantage" in the kitchen for a position of concealment behind a fence "where he could not accurately see what James Guy was doing."

Maybe he should have maintained that position until more units arrived.

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Posted by dp72 on 07/23/2015 at 12:37 PM

Re: “Case closed

"He should have stayed where he could see clearly and kept himself safe."

dp72- What omniscient powers do you have to say what the officer should have done in that situation? Especially based on ANY newspaper account.

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Posted by PacksA9 on 07/23/2015 at 11:01 AM

Re: “Case closed

A) James Guy was engendering the safety of his neighbors and put himself it a position that was likely to end badly for him.

B) Officer Jorstad handled the situation badly and put himself in a situation where fear took over his judgement. He should have stayed where he could see clearly and kept himself safe.

And this is why the article is important,
C) CSPD and the DA made sure no one would know about Officer Jorstad's mistakes and that the suspect was shot in the back without being given the opportunity to comply.

The suspect was likely to get himself killed by police when he started blowing off cliploads of rounds in a neighborhood, so no I wouldnt call his death a murder. But we cant have CSPD and the DA covering up facts and lying to the public. That is unacceptable.

You people attacking Pam Zubeck are just not used to seeing real journalism in our town. I saw no agenda in this excellent piece of reporting. Just facts.

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Posted by dp72 on 07/23/2015 at 9:06 AM

Re: “Case closed

sure sounds like the gun nuts want the police to shoot anyone showing a gun in public and ask questions later... another police incident that was wrong, against procedure and a horrible public relations nightmare.

and the scared old fart teabaggers will applaud...

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Posted by happyfew on 07/23/2015 at 8:28 AM

Re: “Case closed

Next weeks article, pam will be defending hussein, bin laden, and hitler. josh tolini will be filing a class action lawsuit on their behalf.

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Posted by Ely Slade on 07/23/2015 at 4:19 AM

Re: “Case closed

I also find it curious that, in her "research" Ms. Zubeck either failed to speak to - or chooses not to disclose it- the distraught neighbor who had called the police in the first place. She feared for herself and her children as poor Guy was discharging his firearm in the direction of her home! And, it wasn't the first time poor Guy had done this!!! Pam, you have an obvious agenda and Kathryn, your son was a dangerous, disturbed man who should have received treatment for his demons- and you, as his obviously aware Mother, should have seen to it that he got the help he needed. Officer Jorstad acted within the protocols of his profession and the Grand Jury agreed.

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Posted by Kim Clark on 07/22/2015 at 5:10 PM

Re: “Case closed

"... greeted by a "hysterical" female who claimed Guy was shooting in the air and at houses." Except for when Zubeck wants to trash the police, this would normally be a bad thing. A very bad thing.

"Guy was loading a magazine into a handgun, which was on the table in a "locked back" position — meaning it was not loaded." Zubeck and other gun babies here would be wetting themselves if they saw this through their own window. But for some reason, Pam implies this should raise no alarm for police during a report of a drunk, stoned active shooter.

When you place a loaded mag into a semi-auto with the slide is back, its loaded. It only takes the flick of a finger and a fraction of a second to snap the slide in place, feed a round into the chamber and cock the firing mechanism.

Pam bless your ignorant, agenda-driven heart dear. If you're going to write stories about guns, carve out a few minutes to educate yourself.

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Posted by PacksA9 on 07/22/2015 at 3:04 PM

Re: “Case closed

I'm glad the officer did what he did.
Someone who has shot 18 shots in a residential area while intoxicated is a huge threat and deserves to be treated like one.
Praise to you Officer Jorstad and I hope you see this.

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Posted by Alyssa on 07/22/2015 at 2:24 PM

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