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Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation should be up on their soapbox __defending__ the Major's right to have his Bible on his desk.

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Posted by Joe Uzer on 08/19/2016 at 12:13 PM

Re: “Some Air Force Academy cadets never have a chance — and they leave feeling defeated

You're wrong Maverick. Every cadet is not force fed drugs nor treated like a military test subject like this kid was.

Every cadet is not used as a scapegoat in order to coverup blotched investigations.

Argue and stomp your virtual foot all you want. It really doesn't make a bit of difference to me. The entire institution is designed to pull the wool over the eyes of the naive general public. And for the most part, it works (you're proof). I'd be just like you if I wasn't privy to some of the dirty little secrets.

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Posted by carrot__shoes on 08/19/2016 at 11:53 AM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

I once worked at a college maintenance dept where in the painter's shop where my car wash station was they had porno centerfolds hanging on the walls. As this was their space, are you saying I had no right to be offended as a female if they said it was their religion to display the naked female body cause that was how Adam and Eve where created? NOT, this was harassment then, and it is harassment now to push your religion on the job!!!

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Posted by guruD on 08/19/2016 at 11:35 AM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

Religious Freedom means you have the right to practice the religion of your choice, but not everywhere and anytime you want, such as work or in public places under civil laws regarding this issue. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO RELIGIOUS FREEDOM AT WORK AS IN ACTIONS LIKE DISPLAYING A BIBLE AT THE AFB. On my job at a non-profit, this would be considered HARASSMENT of your co-workers, and therefore, I could get fired for doing so.

Also, my taxpayer dollars pays this man’s salary and I don’t want my money promoting HIS BELIEFS while on the job. What don’t you get about this? You are not paid to preach, you are paid to WORK. You may also have Religious Freedom in your own home, but you do not have the freedom to scream your beliefs at the top of your lungs in the middle of the street at midnight because this is also limited by our civil laws. What don’t you get about Freedom of Religion is not your freedom to push your religion on others, it is freedom to believe what you want.

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Posted by guruD on 08/19/2016 at 11:21 AM

Re: “Benny's Restaurant & Lounge

Tru, you can be on my list of those with bad behavior. You can see my list on this Independent site in various places. I do not criticize without cause and I use my real name. I will back up my comments with facts. I will ask who are you that you deserve special treatment and demand that someone lose their job. Bad service? I would spill drinks on you and I do not blame a bartender whose job is to serve glasses of angry, stupid, melancholy or however it affects you to everyone. Instant mood swings, fistfights and loudmouths- you name it and if you think your dollars are going to make or break anyone I say "think again".

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Posted by Robert Wyman on 08/19/2016 at 11:21 AM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

So, the book was out in plain sight; apparently there for his frequent use. So what? Religious FREEDOM is supposed to mean just that, right? I mean, is he holding his colleagues and/or subordinates at gunpoint, forcing them to read the thing or listen to him read it? The entire situation is a ridiculous waste of time. If his colleagues and/or subordinates don't like it, let them display their own religious texts. FREEDOM of religion... RIGHT??? Or wrong? Do we have it, or don't we? If we DO, in fact, have freedom of religion, then leave him ALONE. It's HIS Bible, on HIS workstation.

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Posted by Antigone A. Freimann on 08/19/2016 at 10:51 AM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

Conservative Christians are just too RELIGIOUS!!! When I was in a Pentecostal ministry as a missionary in the '80s, we were told that when we were at work we were to honor our employer and do the best work we could as our witness of Christ in our lives. Since when do Christians feel it is there right to bring their religion to work??? I just don't get it when it is very clear in Ephesians not to do this because you are being paid to work not witness..

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Posted by guruD on 08/19/2016 at 10:12 AM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

At the same time this umm, Christian is complaining about a bible being placed on a majors desk. The current occupant of the W.H. is advising supervisors of D.H.L.S. or some other meaningless department, to give some extra leeway to Muslims as they celebrate their holiday of rahmadon. Due to the fact that they may be tired from fasting and praying for 5 hours. So they will want to take a nap. So, is that not favoring a particular religion? I'm confused on how that's okay but Do Not Display your bible at your personal desk. Such politically correct BS!!!

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Posted by trublupat on 08/19/2016 at 10:10 AM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

To Tom McMinn ... Disagree. Removing the bible display means the Major's subordinates don't have to worry they won't get good assignments or promotions because they don't follow the Major's particular religious practices. It is a logical fallacy to say not establishing a religion is tantamount to establishing atheism.

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Posted by Milt_johnson on 08/19/2016 at 9:48 AM

Re: “Peterson AFB launches commander investigation into religious display

Separation of Church and State means that the State will stay out of the business of Religion, not the other way around. The term came from Thomas Jefferson, and is not in any of the official documents of the founding of our country. The intent of the writers of the bill of rights was to assure the State never adopted an approved religion, not to limit those involved with the state from practicing their own religion. To remove this bible is tantamount to making the State Religion Atheism...

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Posted by Tom McMinn on 08/19/2016 at 9:26 AM

Re: “Bible removed from desk at Peterson AFB

Conservative Christians are just too RELIGIOUS!!! When I was in a Pentecostal ministry as a missionary in the '80s, we were told that when we were at work we were to honor our employer and do the best work we could as our witness of Christ in our lives. Since when do Christians feel it is there right to bring their religion to work??? I just don't get it when it is very clear in Ephesians not to do this because you are being paid to work not witness.

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Posted by guruD on 08/19/2016 at 8:30 AM

Re: “Next big (city) election looms just eight months away

I was disappointed when Brandi Williams lost to Keith King last election- I'd like to see her back on council. We need new faces and new thoughts on all levels

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Posted by KyleJS on 08/18/2016 at 10:55 PM

Re: “Shield 616 protects the protectors

Stop picking on Robert Lewis Dear? Yeah, because when he shot and killed multiple people "for the babies" (WTF!?) he really proved himself to be a functioning and well-respected member of our community and thus, we really shouldn't make a biug deal out of his human hunting.

This city is certifiably insane. You will protest the establishment of a second methadone clinic because "dangerous criminals congregate there" and refuse to offer a needle exchange or even view those with substance dependencies as human beings... And yet you bemoan the media's coverage of a man that literally and purposefully took the lives of others!

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Posted by Cait Stella on 08/18/2016 at 10:13 PM

Re: “Explosives, junk contribute to Vista Grande neighborhood tensions

Do you not understand that his mother is caring for him? By providing housing and, I would imagine, taking care of most of his bills. I love how you claim he's a threat to the public when the only truly dangerous activity at the home was never and never will be tied to his own actions, since the suspect readily took credit for the explosives.

"An addict with multiple warrants", yeah, all for what? In sum, just because he lives a lifestyle that those around him don't approve of since it isn't exactly like theirs. All he's really done is choose to put a substance in his body that our government has made illegal while allowing for the wide scale consumption of other substances with nearly identical effects and chemical structure. How do you not see the hypocrisy there?

I'll tell you why. Because you think of him as an addict instead of a human being. Maybe if society actually acknowledged the humanity of people struggling with substance dependency and didn't constantly drive home the " fact" that we are dirty, diseased, evil criminals that care for no one but themselves, maybe we would be more able to move past that dilemma in our lives and see our own value enough to get healthy.

But nah, just keep on treating us as subhuman "eyesores" and getting pissed when we can't see our own human value. Keep trying to prevent the establishment of resources like methadone clinics and needle exchanges while supporting laws that push those of us unfortunate enough to come into unfavorable contact with law enforcement back into the cycle of poverty and addiction where it's pretty much impossible to get out of the system.

Because it's working out so well as we speak.


Right here folks, El Paso county's small minded ignorance at its finest.

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Posted by Cait Stella on 08/18/2016 at 9:54 PM

Re: “TILL does locavore comfort food well

My sentiments exactly! Well done...great read.

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Posted by Foodie24 on 08/18/2016 at 8:33 PM

Re: “When dad is a pedophile

WHat THE FUCK?? No no no no way you pedopiles ..My mother was sexually abused as a child and she is VERY VERY damaged from it ...these victims have to live with the fucking consequences for the Rest of their lives !!!! Get a therapist or you will burn in Hell!

Posted by seriously?! on 08/18/2016 at 4:44 PM

Re: “If voters approve, could ColoradoCare really pay for itself? It's complicated

We are currently being screwed and we all know it. ColoradoCare potentially gives us, as individuals supporting this economy, the opportunity to save a lot of money on health care. I don't know about you but for $1500+ a month for a family of 4, making just enough to not qualify for government assistance, that is way too much money. On top of that, a 10k max out of pocket on individual and a 15k on family. INSANE SINCE WE PAY OVER 18K A YEAR ON PREMIUMS - not to mention co-pays and prescriptions. We don't even come close to using 18K in medical services. Privatization of health care is NOT universal/socialized healthcare. Its called stickin' it to the people. Stick it to us at the liquor store or the dispensary if necessary. Also, I just want to point out that those who do make so little income that they qualify for government subsidies actually end end up paying for it out of their tax returns. What is the saying... if it isn't broke, don't fix it? Well this system is BROKEN - so why not try something new. At least this is a step in the right direction. Love and light, friends, love and light.

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Posted by Elise on 08/18/2016 at 3:56 PM

Re: “Memorial lease, feeding hungry kids, ColoradoCare, and more

Tannim, those who disagree with you are not idiots, are not brain damaged and probably don't have cooties.

The name calling is beneath you, how about keeping the conversation and our debates respectful.

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Posted by Lil Mick on 08/18/2016 at 12:34 PM

Re: “Memorial lease, feeding hungry kids, ColoradoCare, and more

I would like to remind my friend LibertyForAll that President Obama had democratic majorities in both chambers for the first two years of his presidency. Hardly "..much of BO"s term", more like 25% of his term, if my math and facts are correct.

During those first two years, much was going on and much was accomplished. Remember, we were in a financial collapse like none of us alive have seen in this country. By the third quarter of his first term June 2008, we were out of the recession, yes, it was a slow recovery, but the recovery had started. This was in large part due to the economic recovery bill past by the Democratic held congress. They also passed the Affordable Care Act during that time. Those we both huge accomplishments, regardless whether you supported either of those bills, as I am sure none of you Springs conservatives do, doesn't matter they were still accomplishments, meaning they did something to try and make things better for the people.

The accomplishments ceased and the "do nothing" congress began in 2010, when the Republicans took over the house and has continued even when they got both houses in 2014.

So, most of President Obama's term in office has been with a "do nothing" divided government, like 75% of his term in office, if my math and facts are correct.

What is the lesson learned from this....
If you want our Government to work for the people again, elect Hillary Clinton as president and give her a Democratic controlled congress and it will no longer be more of the same. Shit will get done!

Also.....VOTE IN THE MID-TERMS :)

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Posted by Lil Mick on 08/18/2016 at 12:19 PM

Re: “CO voters will decide on at least four initiatives

ColoradoCare is our chance to remedy the cruel, expensive way we currently pay for our healthcare through the big insurance companies.

The ColoradoCare plan that will be on the November ballot will:
- cover every Coloradan, with no deductibles
- allow every Coloradan to freely choose their doctor
- be a plan designed, owned and controlled by the citizens of Colorado
- paid for by a simple payroll tax just like Medicare
- eliminate waste, profits and politics from our healthcare
- cover 96% of the costs you incur for healthcare
- break the connection between your employer and your healthcare

If these things scare you, see a psychiatrist. If you want secure healthcare that isn't controlled by the big insurance companies, learn more about ColoradoCare and vote for it in November.
www.ColoradoCare.org

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Posted by Dave Beckwith on 08/18/2016 at 10:20 AM

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