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Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

well maybe this time they will get it's to hoping!!!

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Posted by Jay Whynotaskme on 04/05/2017 at 11:59 PM

Re: “Colorado Springs faces lawsuit over out-sourced fleet maintenance contract

The cost savings the city was looking for was not in current operations, but in shedding "costly pension obligations" that will come due in the future.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 04/05/2017 at 11:05 PM

Re: “Reader: Defund public media, it'll be fine

Don McCullen and others do not seem to understand the VERY important role PBS plays in our WARN (Warning, Alert, and Response Network) . Ever notice that even without cable or an antenna, your television ALWAYS gets PBS? There is a reason for that. PBS provides an alternate path for WEA alerts to wireless carriers. The alerts are transmitted through the PBS satellite network on the AMC-21 satellite to PBS stations who broadcast the messages over their transmitters for reception by wireless carriers at their cell sites. For the Republicans out there, that means, that in the event of a NATIONAL emergency,PBS is responsible for sending that alert to our phones. Get off your ridiculous high horse, do a little research, and understand this.. 'Progressives' get it far better than you do, silly little man. Now run home, the grownups are trying to clean your mess.

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Posted by emilydianebailey on 04/05/2017 at 8:05 PM

Re: “Colorado Springs faces lawsuit over out-sourced fleet maintenance contract

It is illegal for Colorado Springs municipal employees to form a union. Also Colorado State employees are not allowed to form a union.

However, I agree that it was a huge mistake to dismantle Fleet and downsize many other municipal departments claiming it would save money. That just hasn't happened. Quality of and response times also suffer.

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Posted by rms on 04/05/2017 at 7:00 PM

Re: “What Colorado Springs is — and isn't — all about

Fascism is an extreme right wing political movement. If it were truly leftist, then Infidel01 would not be disparaging those who oppose it.

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Posted by Mr. K-- on 04/05/2017 at 3:53 PM

Re: “Choice of lesbian commandant at Air Force Academy stirs debate

Reminds me of when I came out as x-gay in my ministry's deliverance nationwide monthly newsletter in 1984 and right afterwards, I was asked to step down as a Bible fellowship leader even though I was celibate for over 10 years since I was 16 and never had a girlfriend or gay relationship before, but they still had to purge the queer! When are conservative Christians going to learn what unconditional love is and that God doesn't hate LGBTIQ people?

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Posted by guruD on 04/05/2017 at 1:29 PM

Re: “Colorado Springs faces lawsuit over out-sourced fleet maintenance contract

Outsourcing of unionized city jobs to the vaunted private sector was NOT done for cost savings. It was Mayor Botch's payback for the financial support from the Koch Bros' political organization. The Kochs utterly hate any and all unions, but especially unions for public employees. The work needs to be brought back in-house for true cost savings. FYI: Andy Pico was working for that firm at the time of the contract but claims he had nothing to do with it - believe what you want.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/05/2017 at 1:27 PM

Re: “John B. Smith, Civil Rights legend, will galvanize local activists

Wow! Thanks for writing this column! I believe Black Power has been misconstrued for the past half of a century, if not longer. People fear that which they do not understand. Nowadays with our community's color palette broadening there may be a dissipation of fear and a rising of Power for all People. We can all hope this new, 21st Century civil rights movement so powerful and all-encompassing it cannot be shut down nor labeled as anti-American because American is representative of so many colors.

I am happy to see Colorado's a springs honoring the work of civil rights leaders such as Smith and encouraging a deeper understanding of diversity in the Springs!

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Posted by Karina B Swenson on 04/05/2017 at 1:19 PM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

For R. Wehner:
Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard.
H. L. Mencken

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/05/2017 at 1:12 PM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

Jacquie, I'm all for renewables, but not for selling off CS Utilities to for-profit entities. LOOK at the rates being paid by the poor souls down in Pueblo.

Rooftop solar seems enticing but there are issues with it, like who pays to keep the grid in good order. AZ and NV are now grappling with these issues; people with rooftop solar may be charged $50/month for grid access and upkeep.

To some extent, rooftop solar is a tax gimmick for many adopters and thus overpriced. I prefer CS Utilities generate power with solar and save us home owners the $25-35k cost of retrofitting homes which is probably the most expensive way to get solar. Large utility-scale projects are far more economical and beneficial to the entire city.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/05/2017 at 1:08 PM

Re: “Cycling year-round in Colorado Springs? Follow the Sun.

Great ideas!

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Posted by stevec on 04/05/2017 at 12:58 PM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise


My Bad! You are entirely correct; it was Winston Churchill on my clumsily worded re-writing of his famous quote.

And he also said:

"The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

Was that before or after 'The Arsenal of Democracy' did it's thing?

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Posted by R Wehner on 04/05/2017 at 12:57 PM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

I find it odd that LeLoupe faults the retired military community for our ills. If there's bah humbug conservatism here it's the evangelical community leading the assault on science, modernization and scaring away desirable corporate firms. The military embraces modernization and science, but if the evangelicals had their neanderthal way the Army would still be using muzzle loaders and charge into battle riding in covered wagons..

One main issue keeping firms away is the destructive effects of TABOR and our crumbling infrastructure. The anti-tax crowd in concert with the evangelicals want nothing better than destroying government, though each for their own purposes. Together these fools have made the city a national laughing stock. It'll take a generation of hard work to overcome this, and the prognosis is at best 50-50 for success. Any thought of spending money here is an uphill slog.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/05/2017 at 12:51 PM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

With these new council members maybe we can now actually move toward renewable energy as fast as the community has been asking for. We know we can close Drake and get by just fine - as we did in 2014 when it was shut down due to the fire for all of the peak summer months. Hopefully we'll now have a majority on the Utility Board who care about the pollution from burning coal in the middle of down town and who care about the image of the city. Forward we go with the rest of the state. We are lagging far behind every other city in renewable energy.
Loved the comments from leloupe above!

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Posted by Jacquie Ostrom on 04/05/2017 at 12:47 PM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

Cool results. Glad to see Mr. Skorman win, he really cares about the city. Irony is that Skorman lives up to the GOP "ideal" of bootstrapping oneself to success but the GOP types here seem to hate him. (No one ever said GOP types were logical, mostly they vote emotionally on god, gays, guns, abortion, etc.)

I don't want any part of CS Utilities sold off to greedsters of the corporate world. When that happens you can expect your rates to go up at least 25% or more. Someone STILL has to generate our power so why not OUR own utility firm. Instead of the wealthy collecting dividend checks made possible by having us pay higher rates, all of us can bank our savings from low utility very for all...all for one. Beware clowns yelling about free markets, there are none, and if we fall for that tired old ideological claptrap we'll end up screwed beyond belief.

Glad that CS Forward didn't have its way. Developers will still make their fortunes, just not so easily. Maybe now we can get better value in our developments, but don't count on it. My dealings with some of them showed their disdain for anything but greedy profit and disdain for anyone but themselves. The ruthless must be held accountable.

Maybe now this new city council will move forward with the will of the people to allow recreational MJ sales in the city.

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Posted by OldCrank on 04/05/2017 at 12:37 PM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

Ms Westerbur

Actually, Colorado Springs has been, I think, quite fortunate to have had a long run of very good city government as far back as I can remember through 1950 with very good, dedicated and capable people! Until around 2003.

The time when a level of disruptive divisiveness seems to have begun is around 2003 when Lionel Rivera was elected Mayor with Sallie Clark jumping ship as a city council member to run for mayor then making her way to the position of county commissioner which marks the start of the polarization in local politics right through the present with her associate Amy Lathen 'jumping ship' as a county commissioner to take a position as head of Colorado Springs Forward; many who seem to feel is indirectly responsible for the negative tone of this past election - aided and abetted by the political action committee some claim DeDe Laugesen is a major player in.

Clark being the one who basically told the public they would not be allowed their constitutional right to 'petition government' with her refusal to allow a citizen request for a second vote over her failed attempt to self-create a third term for herself as a county commissioner. Google or search the Indy for in depth reporting on this blatant misuse of position and the resultant outcome that commissioners are now limited to just two terms in office.

This process has seemingly come full circle now with Clark only on the periphery and Lathen having just led what has been on of the greatest local political failures in recent memory! The public was quite clear in the last mayoral race they did not want Amy Lathen as their mayor and on Tuesday, the public made it quite clear they have little use for Colorado Springs Forward. Under-thinking, Over-Arrogant types seem to create issues!

Now, with the new council, there is the chance for a period of calm and rational leadership that has the potential of seeing economic progress becoming a reality. This appears to have the makings of a very decent city council once the cat-fighting - that will soon develop - over who will be 'President of Council' is resolved and the loser deals with it and moves on to deal with city business!

The key is that we have a stable form of government that overcomes the harm done from time to time by unstable players.

With CSF having been cut to geldings, Jeff Greene should begin to fade more into the background and a new period of calm will hopefully prevail once an accord can be reached with the development community which has so much to bring to the table once they learn they do not actually own or run the table!

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Posted by R Wehner on 04/05/2017 at 12:34 PM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

R Wehner, IIRC, you are trying to quote Churchill, not Jefferson. Most of our founding fathers did not much like democracy.

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Posted by Odin on 04/05/2017 at 12:29 PM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

It saddens me to think of the on-the-ground good that could have been done with all the funds thrown at this election campaign by Colorado Springs Forward, HBA and the shadowy CCPOC group. And all for nothing ..... which, had they not been so arrogant, they would have known.

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Posted by Mur on 04/05/2017 at 11:21 AM

Re: “Megan Larmie explores John Steinbeck's The Pearl at TwentyOne8

Thanks for your feedback and your readership! Her work's really eye-catching I can't wait to see it in person for the first time.

Posted by Griffin Swartzell on 04/05/2017 at 11:13 AM

Re: “Gaebler, Skorman, Knight, Pico win easily in Council races; Avila pulls surprise

I'd really like to see some type of history reported. When was the last time we had a city council that might actually represent us for a change? Has it ever happened before?

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Posted by Summer Wilson Westerbur on 04/05/2017 at 10:44 AM

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