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Re: “UPDATE: Academy "partners" with religion, drawing criticism

Rael and others have pretty much covered it. ONLY violating your written policy (not to mention the Constitution) 3.2% of the time seems an inventive excuse (or, what the Academy calls "Quibbling"). What if cadets ONLY violated the honor code on 3.2% of their tests? Would that be acceptable? If we accepted ONLY 3.2% of our officers committing sexual assaults? Sadly, though, it goes beyond that because those 3.2% of the appearances that violated policy only did so in ONE, well-chosen, and seemingly premeditated direction. Instead of reaching out to other communities, the Band's view of diversity was to include Catholics with the evangelicals. I'd sure like to know if ANY of their appearances were even to majority African-American or Hispanic congregations, or if they kept it light--sticking to the suburban, white, evangelical, and upper-crust Catholic congregations that will produce the cadets that will fill the two primary sections of the Cadet Chapel. That is, when they don't take the Sunday bus to NLC.

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Posted by BirdManBlue on 04/23/2016 at 9:05 PM

Re: “What's wrong with this picture?

I tried. I failed. In the end, you're an extremist who worries me, too, just in another cloth.

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Posted by BirdManBlue on 11/04/2015 at 5:36 PM

Re: “What's wrong with this picture?

PacksA9, I'm against radical Islam, too, and I know we're engaged in fighting radical Islamists, BUT we are playing into their hands if we frame this as a religious battle with "ours" (whatever that is) being better than "theirs." What IS ours is the Constitution and the freedoms it guarantees. I do NOT want a military member wearing a shirt that is anti-Islam because that might mean (to some) that our military would not or should not defend the rights of law-abiding Muslims in America or that we might attack Muslims abroad SOLELY because they are Muslims. We should fight EXTREMISTS at both home and abroad (in whatever religious or political persuasion they claim) because they threaten those freedoms.

Fighting radical Islamist expansionism and violation of human rights is good. Wearing T-shirts that frame the battle as religious,WHEN YOU'RE IN THE GOV'T or MILITARY, or promoting their sale on base is BAD, will NOT help us win that battle, and will make us more enemies when we really need more friends that share our values--and I know many, many Muslims, Christians, Atheists, Hindus, and Pastafarians that do share those Constitutional values.

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Posted by BirdManBlue on 11/04/2015 at 4:16 PM

Re: “What's wrong with this picture?

PacksA9, I'm not sure what point you're arguing. I'm AGAINST a Muslim takeover of our government--no one here is for that (I hope). Religious extremists are B-A-D. However, I'm also against selling this shirt (or even allowing it to be worn) ON A GOVERNMENT INSTALLATION. I'd be against it being worn or sold if the Muslim symbology was replaced with Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Atheist, Hindu,or Flying Spaghetti Monster symbology. I support the First Amendment and have done so for over 30 years of active duty time (much more than you, I'm certain), and you can wear this into any mosque you choose--I'll defend your right to do so. BUT, and stay with me here--I'll use small words: we in the military and the guv-mint have a special job to be impartial (that means fair and even-handed) towards all people regardless of the church or mosque or rock circle they attend or drive by. That means we should not imply or intend to vilify (sorry, 'be mean to or label as all being evil') any groups like Christians or Muslims with messages that are clearly threatening and hateful. If you can't see that this message is hateful or can be seen as hateful to majority (hundreds of thousands) of peace-loving Muslim citizens in this country, then I'm very sorry for you.

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Posted by BirdManBlue on 11/04/2015 at 9:33 AM

Re: “What's wrong with this picture?

Let's try this really s-l-o-w-l-y:
1. The T-Shirt depicts something that none of us should want to see happen--the religious take-over of the American government by ANY group.
2. You have a right to wear this T-shirt as an American.
3. The T-shirt's message is distinctly anti-Muslim and defamatory--not all (or, I daresay, a majority) of Muslims want to see this happen in the US. I don't. You don't. No one posting here does.
4. Religiously bigoted or slanted material should not be associated with our military or government (pro or con), Christian or Muslim, atheist or theist, and certainly should not be interpreted as part of military policy or culture.
5. Because of 1-4 above, it has no place on post at Fort Carson and shouldn't be for sale on post either. Commanders should investigate the decision made by some numbnuts to allow its sale on-post and said numbnuts should be reprimanded.

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Posted by BirdManBlue on 11/04/2015 at 5:36 AM

Re: “What's wrong with this picture?

The interesting thing is that very few would see a similar threat if the SoL had a bible in her left hand--and most probably think she does. We enjoy our liberty (regardless of religious perspective) because we have a government and military that is independent of religion--that's the only way that religious liberty and equality can be effectively guaranteed for ALL in 'Mercah!

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Posted by BirdManBlue on 11/03/2015 at 2:19 PM

Re: “UPDATE: Weinstein makes new demand of the Air Force Academy

This is the court that has, as society evolves, decided that some aspects of our political and cultural nature are no longer justifiable--like the fact that laws restricted the equal rights of all citizens (blacks, gays, etc). Slavery has cultural heritage. It's one thing to make an attempt to accommodate folks by not scheduled an event on a Friday, Saturday, or Sunday. It's another entirely to completely disregard and abuse the position of the fastest growing spiritual group in the land--those that do not believe in sky fairies and don't feel the need to buy private jets for the hucksters that push those myths to the ignorant. Likewise, we shouldn't supply a line on a government issued diploma endorsing one spiritual world view over thousands of others any more than black USAFA grads should get their diploma last.

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Posted by BirdManBlue on 08/27/2015 at 5:30 AM

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