Andy 
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Re: “More angst over Drake's future

Frank, thank you for your amiable reply, and I look forward to hearing what you find. My biggest concern with your posts have been the insinuation that things were not done on the level. That somehow there was collusion between CSU and NSG to get this deal done for the benefit of a couple of people... or that due process was not done in vetting the technology. CSU has had NSG prove the technology at various scales, has analyzed the cost models, have read the third party reviews, realized the risks and balanced them against the potential rewards. There are lots of smart people at CSU and they are not going to jeopardize their future (or the plants future) to make Neumann happy... both parties are looking to benefit.

Like I said in my previous post, you might not like all the decisions that have been made regarding CSU's role in the development of this technology but at this point CSU is wed to NSG. There has been lots of money put into the development of NSGs scrubber and it has apparently passed the test at each stage. There is a contract in place, and NSG is progressing towards the contract goals. My biggest concern now is that Bach (HBA, Schuck) is vying for the development of downtown and want to bring in council members who will not see Drake as you and I do... a viable commodity that has atleast a 20 yr life. Keep in mind that they do not want to just sell Drake, but want it removed from downtown. There is much bru-ha-ha about the NSG scrubber, but killing this project is a means to an end ... it does not matter to them which scrubber is going in. If it was just about selling it, then I would think the council would be more in favor of turning over control to a board that was directed by experts in the power industry.

So, as my last comment on this blog, I am glad you are going to vote in this election... I encourage you to research the candidates in your district regarding this topic and see if you can find a link between all the HBA/Bach endorsed candidates on this topic. Make an educated vote...

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Posted by Andy on 03/03/2013 at 8:09 AM

Re: “More angst over Drake's future

I particularly like your definition of a fool... and the immediate admission that you were not at any meeting with NSG/CSU/Xcel/Tri-State, but can assure us what happened.

A Google search will tell you that CSU/NSG contract for the Scrubber on Drake was for $73.4m. Futhermore, I found in the CSBJ that CSU also has a 3% stake in future sales of Neumann's system. I imagine this was in the contract to reward the risk taken on by CSU being the first to buy into the system. I also found in that article that the removal will be 97% (it doesn't mention anything about gaurentees). I do not see any conspiracy being perpetrated, but instead see a working partnership between CSU and NSG. I dont expect that everyone agrees with what has or hasnt been done regarding this relationship, but the fact of the matter is that the current city council (and utilities board) has voted multiple times to continue with the install on the Drake plant.

As to how many units does NSG have on order... One. It was sold to CSU in 2011 (complete with signed contract).

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Posted by Andy on 03/02/2013 at 9:03 PM

Re: “More angst over Drake's future

So, Frank... you were at the meetings and where Tri-State and Xcel couldnt get out fast enough? If not, can you point to a reference. If what you say is true, it is probably because Tri-State and Xcel dont care about saving money for ratepayers. If regulations force them to reduce emissions, they buy the safest product on the market (ol' tried and true), because in the end they are not going to reduce profit because of regulations... they will pass the cost of the system onto the ratepayers (same as gas/oil companies if we try and crank up their taxes). Why would they (Xcel/TS) be interested in a first-off, new technology when their bottom line is not ever in jeopardy. CSU, on the other hand is not in the business of fleecing their customers...CSU has interest in keeping their rates low and working in the limited space downtown, and both of goals are realized by working with Neumann. Is there risk, you bet. But from all the reports associated with this story CSU has vetted the technology by having Neumann prove the system out at various scales. (Even Tim Leigh's internationally recognized experts in the power industry think the technology is good)

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Posted by Andy on 03/02/2013 at 5:40 PM

Re: “Tim Leigh and the 52 percenters

All you need to know about Tim Leigh can be found by searching this website for "Tim Leigh Eats Crow". First he calls Dr. Neumann a fraud and con man, and brings in two internationally credentialed experts to meet with Neumann to shoot down the technology. Turns out they (experts) support the Neumann technology. Leigh's baseless claims are proven just that and the next day he says: "... we are lucky to have a Dr. Neumann...". Obviously that didnt sit well with someone (ie. Bach), so now he is back out complaining... and again questioning the due diligence of CSU and previous council to vet this technology. There is a reason he has pending ethics violations against him, regarding how he has handled himself during this process. He uses his bully pulpit (market report blog) to spout inaccuracies and falsehoods, and claims he is just trying to watch out for the people. Right... I wonder which people he is watching out for.

The HBA seems to love him, as he is one of two incumbents that they have endorsed, and keep in mind that they made endorsements before all candidates were even listed. It seems pretty obvious that the HBA is after the land grab downtown and are looking to fill city council with folks who can help them attain it. The endorsement by the HBA should be seen as an asterisk that identifies the candidates that have been bought and paid for. These candidates are not seeking the best interest of the people of CS... why else would you consider shuttering a power plant with 20 years life in favor of buying electricity from Xcel.

Educate yourself and vote smart in April.

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Posted by Andy on 03/02/2013 at 11:18 AM

Re: “City Council Forum — Live and Online

The HBA seems to have strong opinions of the candidates for city council, endorsing only two incumbents. Keep in mind that they made endorsements before all candidates were even listed. It seems pretty obvious that the HBA is after the land grab downtown and are looking to fill city council with folks who can help them attain it. The endorsement by the HBA should be seen as an asterisk that identifies the candidates that have been bought and paid for. These candidates are not seeking the best interest of the people of CS... why else would you consider shuttering a power plan with 20 years life in favor of buying electricity from Xcel.

Educate yourself and vote smart in April.

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Posted by Andy on 03/02/2013 at 10:33 AM

Re: “More angst over Drake's future

All you need to know about Tim Leigh can be found by searching this website for "Tim Leigh Eats Crow". First he calls Dr. Neumann a fraud and con man, and brings in two internationally credentialed experts to meet with Neumann to shoot down the technology. Turns out they (experts) support the Neumann technology. Leigh's baseless claims are proven just that and the next day he says: "... we are lucky to have a Dr. Neumann...". Obviously that didnt sit well with someone (ie. Bach), so now he is back out complaining... and again questioning the due diligence of CSU and previous council to vet this technology. There is a reason he has pending ethics violations against him, regarding how he has handled himself during this process. He uses his bully pulpit (market report blog) to spout inaccuracies and falsehoods, and claims he is just trying to watch out for the people. Right... I wonder which people he is watching out for.

The HBA seems to love him, as he is one of two incumbents that they have endorsed, and keep in mind that they made endorsements before all candidates were even listed. It seems pretty obvious that the HBA is after the land grab downtown and are looking to fill city council with folks who can help them attain it. The endorsement by the HBA should be seen as an asterisk that identifies the candidates that have been bought and paid for. These candidates are not seeking the best interest of the people of CS... why else would you consider shuttering a power plan with 20 years life in favor of buying electricity from Xcel.

Educate yourself and vote smart in April.

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Posted by Andy on 03/02/2013 at 10:31 AM

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