A poster commented: "While the JD is a valuable source of history and information from the time, it is not an official publication of the LDS Church."
This is an oft-repeated lie by Mormon apologists. The Journal of Discourses is published by the LDS Church, it consists almost entirely of the preaching of Mormon "prophets, seers, and revelators," and those prophets said that the Journal of Discourses is "scripture."
"I say now, when they [Young's discourses] are copied and approved by me they are as good Scripture as is couched in this Bible . . . " (Journal of Discourses, vol. 13, p. 264; see also p. 95).
If the Mormon Church is true, as they assert, why do Mormon apologists feel obligated to water-down the teachings of their prophets, and lie about the significance of what they said?
A poster wrote: "The Lord tells us.. by their fruits ye shall know them."
So true. Mormons fought against the Equal Rights Ammendment and were largely responsible for it's defeat.
Mormons actively fought against the Civil Rights movement, with Mormon leaders calling the movement a "communist" plot.
Mormons have fought against civil rights for Gays, and were the principle money behind Prop. 8.
When it comes to promoting an unconstitutional, anti-civil-rights agenda, it's tough to find a worse group than the Mormon Church
A poster wrote: "So feel free to express what side of the line you are on.."
I'm on the side of free agency and civil rights.
A poser wrote: "and I will be a witness to it."
Mormonism is highly appealing to the narcissistic mind.
A poster wrote: "The homosexual lifestyle is a sin."
People are born Gay. Your religion is a lifestyle, being Gay isn't.
A Mormon apologist wrote: "When you have a nation.. and even a world, that finds sin acceptable and does what it can to legalize it.. then it will get what it deserves. America needs to be cleansed.. and it will be."
This shows just how BSC Mormonism really is. This is a church that worships a really nasty god. These folks are Biblical literalists who look at the genocide and mass destruction ordered by Jehovah in the Old Testament as literal events. And (as the poster demonstrated) they use their fundamentalist/literal reading of the Old Testament as a lesson for what happens when society becomes too tolerant.
These fundamentalist/literalist Mormons would have been more than eager to kill unarmed women and children for Noah (see Numbers 31). And they have nothing but righteous indignation for a nation that won't allow them to exercise their unholy dominion over Gays.
In the minds of Mormons like this guy, god is going to destroy America unless the American people stop being tolerant of Gays. And the really scary thing is that these nuts are very common (possibly even a majority) in the Mormon Church.
Don't expect their crazy fundamentalist ideology to subside, either. Any perceived moderation will be for the benefit of public perception only; bet your bottom dollar these folks will continue to work in secret combinations, out of the public limelight, to subvert Constitutional freedoms so as to avoid the retribution of their horrible god.
One of the posters said: "it has never been church policy to force parents to choose between their kids or the church!"
Actually, that's exactly what Brigham Young (the church's second prophet) taught that parents should do.
“If a child or relative of mine forsakes the Gospel, the holy Priesthood, his God, and the kingdom of God, farewell to that child or relative, whether near or distant. I own none as relatives, only those who love and serve our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. All that belong to my Father's house I own. I love them, I delight in their society, no matter whether they are poor or rich, learned or unlearned, if they observe the laws of the kingdom of God and live according to it.” [JD 9:156 Brigham Young, January 19, 1862]
Another poster wrote: "and the cup of iniquity becomes full and overflowing.. then you will see how God intervenes."
There is a consistent doctrinal theme found throughout the Book of Mormon that the Mormon god will destroy the nation if the country tolerates "sin." This is a major platform on which Mormons build their effort to infuse their religion into public law and use the government to enforce their religious views to the detriment of free agency. Those doctrines are still there, and it would be a mistake for the Gay community to think that much has changed in the LDS Church. They'll keep on attacking Gays, but they'll do it a little more subversively (relying more on their secret combinations), and with less public fanfare.
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