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      <![CDATA[This comment thread may be dead, but I'd like to add something that appeared today on USAFA's website as more evidence of the situation. Here's the link:  <a href="http://www.usafa.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123269263" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.usafa.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=&hellip;</a> and here's the text of the letter:<br>
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Commentary by Retired Gen. Stephen Lorenz<br>
Air Force Academy Endowment President and CEO<br>
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7/22/2011 - U.S. AIR FORCE ACADEMY, Colo. -- Recently I was at a military base when two Air Force chaplains invited me to join them for lunch.
        
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      <![CDATA[Not to pile on Col Hughes, whose service and seniority are noteworthy, however, he does miss the point in believing only athiests and witches are being harrassed at the Academy and in the military. I experienced the same treatment as Catholic; and it is no different for other faiths and nonfaiths.<br>
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I would ask the Colonel a question however about his own experience as an infantry platoon, company and battalion commander in Korea and Viet Nam:  would you alienate your subordinates, upon whom your mission and your life depend, by calling them 'Christ killers," kikes, godless heathens, or unfit to serve because they were not evangelical christians?
        
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      <![CDATA[Colonel Hughes, your military record is very admirable <a href="http://militarytimes.com/citations-medals-awards/recipient.php?recipientid=6735" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://militarytimes.com/citations-medals-&hellip;</a> <br>
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Unfortunately, my praise can’t go beyond that. <br>
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Having lived and worked overseas, I’ve personally witnessed how government leaders have had to look to the clergy to get a nod of approval for certain initiatives.
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm familiar with Col Hughes' bio, and impressed with his good works.....from Korea to Old Colorado City to Nepal. But, sorry Colonel, you're way off base on this issue.<br>
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You said, "I am sick and tired of all you atheists, agnostics, witch, and earth worshippers trying to FORCE the AFA Command to follow YOUR dictates as to what is, or is not, 'religiously acceptable or 'religious biased.'
        
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      <![CDATA[Dave, I'm particularly struck by this commnnt:  "I am sick and tired of all you atheists, agnostics, witch, and earth worshippers trying to FORCE the AFA Command to follow YOUR dictates as to what is, or is not, 'religiously acceptable or 'religious biased.' Start your own Atheist Air Academy if you are so worried about what YOUR acceptable cadets believe or do not believe."<br>
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Exactly what "dictates" has the MRFF imposed on USAFA leadership beyond the sworn requirement to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States?
        
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      <![CDATA[Hi Dave, (Col. Dave Hughs)<br>
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It's good to see you on the Indy Blog. I was beginning to think you had restricted yourself to the Gazette's on line message system.
        
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      <![CDATA[<a href="http://www.npr.org/2011/08/24/139781021/the-evangelicals-engaged-in-spiritual-warfare" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.npr.org/2011/08/24/139781021/th&hellip;</a><br>
Breaking news on WHYY's Fresh Air with Terry Gross... Today's show...
        
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      <![CDATA[What happened to you, Retired Army Colonel Dave Hughes, who graduated in the Class of 1950 of West Point, and fought two wars as an infantry officer? I would imagine that a man so dedicated to supporting and defending the Constitution of the United States for three decades, would not have retired from that oath when he retired from the Army.
        
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      <![CDATA[COL Hughes provides a great example of some very prevalent and powerful religious bigotry to be found among military leaders. Also see CH Druckenmiller and Klingenschmitt before him.
        
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      <![CDATA[Thomas Jefferson, author of the documents which were the groundbreaking grounds for separation of church and state, in the Constitution and its Amendments, and in the Commonwealth of Virginia, itself, must be rolling in his grave, seeing how Dominionists are revising history, infiltrating and using bullying tactics to take over government, and using our military. I expect that is why the earthquake occurred, yesterday, about as near to the center of Virginia as possible, while still being so close to D.C., etc.<br>
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For those of you who believe in Jesus, it's a good thing he's risen, isn't it?
        
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      <![CDATA[@Colonel Dave Hughes:<br>
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You say that you're sick of *us* trying to force *our* dictates, but you are the one who sees no problem with atheists being "marched" to the chapel every Sunday. This is the problem with people like you; you regard your beliefs as the only "right" way -- screw anyone else who might not view the world through your extremely narrow perspective.
        
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      <![CDATA[@Col Dave Hughes: Sir, I am rarely at a loss for words. Your post, however, has stunned me with its extreme level of hatred.
        
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      <![CDATA[Dave Hughes said:  "I am sick and tired of all you atheists, agnostics, witch, and earth worshippers trying to FORCE the AFA Command to follow YOUR dictates as to what is, or is not, 'religiously acceptable or 'religious biased.'"<br>
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Dave forgot to mention that he also thinks women belong at home and in the kitchen, to cook and clean for their male masters. So once all women and non-Christians are out of the AFA, then it will become YOUR ideal place?
        
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      <![CDATA[ADDENDA:<br>
1. Those who do not, cannot, or will not put defense of the Constitution first in their priorities do not understand their military duties and should separate.
        
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      <![CDATA[@Colonel Dave Hughes wrote of his thoroughly Christian military training and life, after writing: "I absolutely agree that it AND ANYTHING PUT OUT BY WEINSTEIN is NOT worth the Academy's time. The United States Air Force Academy is there to do FAR MORE IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE PREPARING CADETS FOR THE HIGHEST COMMAND LEVELS OF THE AIR FORCE than even CONSIDERING cadet complaints about 'religious bias."<br>
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Col Hughes, you terrify me.  You along with Gen Gould, Mrs. Gould, and the general officers and equally high ranking civilians at the Pentagon who put God first, family next, and country/job/CONTSTITUTION last.
        
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      <![CDATA[I could smell the foul stench of swine excrement coming from Colonel Dave Hughes all the way here in Oregon. Once again the ridiculous excuse for a human being is back at it, insisting that Christians, and in particular Dominionist Christian Crusaders at the Air Force Academy and elsewhere in the U.S. Military, have a right to inflict their religion of bigotry and hate on everyone else.
        
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      <![CDATA[Pam Zubeck's article says it best "Leaders at the Air Force Academy seem to think that dealing with some complaints about religious bias isn't worth their time"<br>
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I absolutely agree that it AND ANYTHING PUT OUT BY WEINSTEIN is NOT worth the Academy's time. The United States Air Force Academy is there to do FAR MORE IMPORTANT THINGS LIKE PREPARING CADETS FOR THE HIGHEST COMMAND LEVELS OF THE AIR FORCE than even CONSIDERING cadet complaints about 'religious bias.'<br>
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And who am I?
        
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      <![CDATA[You know, I think that the opening sentence of Zubeck's article says it best "Leaders at the Air Force Academy seem to think that dealing with some complaints about religious bias isn't worth their time." This is obvious from the Superintendent's comment that he wishes Mikey Weinstein's e-mails to him be blocked: "I'm done with him."
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm sure someone else can post it here, and it has been mentioned, but if you want a very clear message about how much of the USAFA leadership views their role, you need look no further than last year's National Character (Christian?) Leadership Symposium.
        
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      <![CDATA[I’ve come into this discussion a little late, but I have gone through the pain of reading through the article and all 50+ comments on this page. If you take a look through this entire comment thread, it’s actually pretty illuminating.
        
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      <![CDATA[@High Flight presented this, in the Class of 1976 Reunion invitation:  "Cadet Ministries Get-together: A cadet ministries (BSU, Campus Crusade, Bauman's Study, OCF, Navigators, etc.) get-together is being planned for Saturday morning before the class tailgate party. If you are interested, e-mail Stan Rader for information and to RSVP."<br>
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@Ender, would you mind explaining how this is the only religious activity planned?
        
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    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 17:20:51 -0600</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[Mikey,<br>
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I have been looking forward to my 35th Class Reunion at the Air Force Academy and the chance to catch up with my old squadron mates and regale in the "Spirit of '76!" Graduating from the Air Force Academy in the year of our nation's bicentennial celebration, gave me a laser-like focus on the importance and brilliance of our American freedoms.
        
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    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 14:45:14 -0600</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[@Ender - you are not credible because i work at the AFA (and have for years) and you have no connection to this place other than "word on the street." While walking the cadet area, I see and hear about these problems on a daily basis.
        
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      <![CDATA[@Ender, I apologize for referring to you as a simpleton.
        
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    <pubDate>Sun, 21 Aug 2011 12:53:57 -0600</pubDate>
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