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      <![CDATA[ben kenobi, I don't think that Mr. Ender is a terrorist, but I would not be surprised if he is a member of the "counter-insurgency" instituted by Gen. Born. He has all of the characteristics of a seasoned professional propagandist.
        
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      <![CDATA[ben kenobi you are on a whole 'nother  level. Enjoy your star wars space experience.
        
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      <![CDATA[Many people see things that happen at USAFA (AFA) everyday and simply can not do anything about it. Threat of your career being hampered, your family suffering from your actions and many others things are/can be used against you.
        
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      <![CDATA[Citizen soldier. Just as Christians call themselves soldiers.
        
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      <![CDATA[You don't have to dig too far back to find incidents of intolerance at the Air Force academy. In 2010, for example: <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584886,00.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,584886&hellip;</a><br>
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Students placed a large wooden cross on a circle that had recently been dedicated for the earth-centric faiths at the Academy.
        
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      <![CDATA[Hi Ender,<br>
I apologize for my delay in writing a response. I had one drafted and submitted but it was only on the site for a few minutes before it disappeared.
        
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      <![CDATA[A10Guy thank you. Your story sounds compelling and at the same time driven by past pain.
        
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      <![CDATA[I have been reading these comments back and forth. I am in the military, I am at USAFA, I DO work with cadets and I am a client of the MRFF.
        
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      <![CDATA[ben kenobi  so you're going to chose the path of personal attack instead of taking the opportunity to support your claims of "blood on their hands," "harassment," or "assault"? If you are currently serving on the faculty at USAFA, may I suggest counseling to work through your pain?
        
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      <![CDATA[Hunger Games.......You say "Good thing we are a one mistake Air Force! Lets kick the freshman out!"
        
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      <![CDATA[Just keep flapping your gums, Ender. <br>
Zero credibility.
        
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      <![CDATA[Mr./Mrs.? Ender, it seems to me that garnering information from military sources is difficult at best.
        
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      <![CDATA[Good thing we are a one mistake Air Force! Lets kick the freshman out!
        
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      <![CDATA[Okay ben kenobi show me the "blood" that has been spilt since Gen Gould (did I get his rank right?) took over, the careers ruined, the families destroyed, the locusts that have descended upon the innocent.
        
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      <![CDATA[Wow, this article is full of no surprises. Ender posts his ignorant ramblings yet again.
        
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      <![CDATA[Gents no arguments about the 2005 days -- things were out of balance. But listen to yourselves.
        
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      <![CDATA[Ender loves to distract us with his filibustering and quibbling, but this is not about him. I'm waiting for him to say an MRFF hacker sent the email from the freshman cader.<br>
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This incident is yet another case of the half-hearted efforts at USAFA to correct a wrong that has done significant damage to my alma mater for more than 20 years.
        
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      <![CDATA[And, of course, if it doesn't suit your world view, Ender, then it probably never happened or never was REAL problem anyway, right? Damn sad about all of those dinosaurs perishing in the flood 6k years ago isn't it?
        
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      <![CDATA[BirdManBlue & richardbk8 I'd love to sit down with you both and learn who shot President Kennedy. If Ms Zubeck did interview any of the "362 clients", why has she not cited them as sources -- even as anonymous sources?
        
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In and of itself, an E-Mail distributed by a lone Cadet at the US Air Force Academy which defies policy should not be a major concern. Correcting it would be a simple matter of a slap on the wrist and a cautionary statement.
        
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      <![CDATA[And why is an e-mail from a lowly doolie to all of her/his classmates such a terrible offense? It's not worthy of court-martial, but it does signal the death of yet another canary in a coal mine that hasn't seen a consistent flow of oxygen in several years--despite the fact that Ms Zubeck, the MRFF, and others have been trying to drill relief vents for years.<br>
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If the training is so effective and the attitude that religious evangelizing is not an appropriate use of government resources so well-ingrained by senior leaders (who are supposed to MODEL that behavior based on Schwartz's guidance) then why in the world would a fourth class cadet think that sending an e-mail out, advocating reliance on her personal choice of fairy tale, is the proper use of the government e-mail system?
        
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      <![CDATA[Ender, let's stop the quibbling here (and if you know anything about USAFA and it's Honor Code, you know what I mean by quibbling). Was Gen Schwartz's letter widely distributed at USAFA?  Yes.
        
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    <pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 06:26:44 -0700</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[Ms Zubeck please take the time to fact check Mr Weinstein's claims. For example his claim that Gen Schwartz's memo was never widely circulated at the Academy is NOT true.
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 19:48:53 -0700</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[If this zealot can't follow the rules, boot him out of the USAFA. NO means NO.
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2012 15:42:42 -0700</pubDate>
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