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      <![CDATA[Tejon Tech wrote: Well, Birdy, I am glad I never had you in my cockpit with me...because when the going gets thought the secularist has only himself to fall back on, not the love and hope of God, which in my experience of hard combat is what made the difference between despair and courage, panic and high functioning, dying and living.<br>
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TT:   As a  helicopter rescue pilot, having served two combat tours in Vietnam, I fell back on many a secularist and found them to be concerned, skilled and dependable support personnel. There are Atheists in foxholes no matter how you would like there not to be.
        
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      <![CDATA[Mikey,<br>
Does not bother telling everybody his foundation is how he makes money, and that his kids are also Academy Grads hmmm, if it is so bad at the Academy why did you have your kids go there Mikey?
        
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      <![CDATA[Posted by  TejonTech  on 05/15/2012 at 8:52 PM  "As the Air Force really doesn't do combat like the Army and Marines it probably really doesn't matter if they are nurtured in the faith...but what you all are advocating is itself the religion of secularism and you are it's chaplains."<br>
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Yeah...right...."probably...really" it's different in an Army Blackhawk or USMC Harrier. USAF PJs and CCT fight on "different" ground.
        
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      <![CDATA[The Religion of Secularism<br>
By Rabbi Ariel Bar Tzadok<br>
Copyright © 2005 by Ariel Bar Tzadok. All rights reserved.<br>
Well, it has happened, just as it has so many times in the past.
        
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      <![CDATA[Tejon Tech, Secularism is not a religion. It merely deals with he reality of "NOW."
        
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      <![CDATA[As the Air Force really doesn't do combat like the Army and Marines it probably really doesn't matter if they are nurtured in the faith...but what you all are advocating is itself the religion of secularism and you are it's chaplains.
        
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      <![CDATA[If you'll allow me to exptrapolate from the current discussion, the bigger (and eventual) question has to be why the US government hires, pays, and promotes chaplains of any ilk. Is that not establishing religion?
        
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      <![CDATA[TT has some serious issues it seems. Getting back to the main point: As a cadet in the early 1990s, I witnessed how the prayer breakfast was always hijacked by the "new lifers".
        
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      <![CDATA[TT: because of your lack of ability to focus on the issue at hand, and your susceptibility to emotional red herrings, I'd NEVER want to get into a tight situation with you, in combat or heavy traffic, for that matter. The point is this: the command structure may allow the chaplains to organize religious events like prayer breakfasts, but the command structure cannot endorse them.
        
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      <![CDATA[This matter is very straight forward and does not defame religion or discourage  its practice in the military. For years now, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation has been protecting religious freedom in the armed forces and relying only on settled law and constitutional provision to do so.
        
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      <![CDATA[You need to check your assumptions--as well as your beliefs. The unexamined life is not worth living.<br>
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Back to the topic:  It is clearly improper to conduct religious events during the military duty day, attended and endorsed by commanders in uniform.
        
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      <![CDATA[Ah, I didn't think so...Mikey has never been in actual combat either...so two old blow hards with no war stories of their own going up against God's protective presence, when you yourselves never needed it or experienced it...shame on you for trying to rob potentially real heroes of God's hand on their shoulders.
        
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      <![CDATA[Secularists are generally the ones with the conflict of protecting criminals and killing babies...those of us who are for life are usually against the death penalty and against abortion.<br>
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Have you ever been in combat or are you just a philosopher? You seem to lack a real life experience base here.
        
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      <![CDATA[In combat or any other dangerous situation, I'd rather rely on myself, my training, and my comrades than your personal fairy tale, TT--which you have every right to adore and credit. Just don't force it on me.  And I'm glad I was never in combat with someone who depended on superstition more than reality.
        
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      <![CDATA[Well, Birdy, I am glad I never had you in my cockpit with me...because when the going gets thought the secularist has only himself to fall back on, not the love and hope of God, which in my experience of hard combat is what made the difference between despair and courage, panic and high functioning, dying and living.<br>
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And don't you see how you are trying to force your pitiful lack of faith and arrogance of secularism as a replacement for faith in Jesus Christ...I bet you are for abortion of the unborn and against the death penalty for murders.
        
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      <![CDATA[Instead of the ad hominem attack, TT, why don't you address the actural issue. For years, the military has been publically endorsing events like the national prayer breakfast and a luncheon on the national day of prayer -- both of which are "events" just slightly less legitimate than those invented by the folks at Hallmark Cards.
        
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      <![CDATA[Mikey is just getting ready for his next fund raising newsletter and wants to show his supporters the he is worth his $250,000 a year salary for robbing future combatants of the resource of faith.<br>
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If he was ever really in a fox hole he would think differently.<br>
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Gould and company need to drum up some courage and stand up to this clown of clowns.<br>
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Maybe its the computer age and there is no faith needed to fly a drone into the face of an unseen enemy.<br>
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You sure don't see this sort of monkey business going on at West Point, where real combat warriors are trained and sent off to face the enemy in real time.
        
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